So every time when i try to OBE or LD...

[dunno615]

Hello, i have a little bit of a problem.. So every time when i get OBE like im in my body and trying to roll out.. some guy holds me from behind from my shoulders and forcing me back to my body.. same time sticking its penis up my ass which feels so bad since im a male and i have to force myself to waking( whats with that anyway, dat penis?). And another day woke up in my body and there was a guy with a green face behind me and like eating my parts and sucking out the energy of me.. Most of the times i dont see the guys face because they weaken me so hard and i dont have the force to move myself ..they like parlize me with their hands and force me out of there.. Any thoughts? I was happy with the green guy tho.. atleast no penis. So i gave up ld and obe.. i just cant.. getting harrassed/"raped" every single time. What can i do to fix this?

[Psionik]

An interesting experience. Never felt anything like that. That thing with penis seems to me like start of dream, your imagination is running wild... Tell me, did you hear something about demons? They are described as wildly sexual beings... Did you hear something about dangers of releasing of yourself off of physical body? Some 25 years ago at the university dorms I had room-mate who was fanatically devoted to catholic faith. He was talking about those things... He was trying to save me from yoga exercises, from meditation, from all things he believed will let me into devils hands. He was "cute" in some ways as he tried to "save" my soul. But he couldn't answer my question- what I want to stay out of body forever and don't care about dangers to my body(possible occupation by other spirit)? I'm not my body, I'm soul which is in this body only for short time. When my time comes, I will not have means to change that. Maybe you are scared subconsciously. I would recommend to stop imagination. Try and train to be here and now. Often but not every time: At the time when I feel second body, the ties to physical body are quite strong. It feels like physical body tries to anchor myself to it. But slow rocking overcomes that. One must remain calm. One must remain concentrated on here and now. One must remain unattached. When I meet conscious entities while out of body they often seems to be scared off by my very presence in their vicinity. There were a few times when I was surrounded by hostile entities... I found they are scared of me when I'm concentrated. Often I extrude spontaneously waves of bluish aura during such concentration. I'm peaceful, they run from me.

[Runeword]

you should definitely seek professional help if not trolling.

[dunno615]

An interesting experience. Never felt anything like that. That thing with penis seems to me like start of dream, your imagination is running wild... Tell me, did you hear something about demons? They are described as wildly sexual beings... Did you hear something about dangers of releasing of yourself off of physical body? Some 25 years ago at the university dorms I had room-mate who was fanatically devoted to catholic faith. He was talking about those things... He was trying to save me from yoga exercises, from meditation, from all things he believed will let me into devils hands. He was "cute" in some ways as he tried to "save" my soul. But he couldn't answer my question- what I want to stay out of body forever and don't care about dangers to my body(possible occupation by other spirit)? I'm not my body, I'm soul which is in this body only for short time. When my time comes, I will not have means to change that. Maybe you are scared subconsciously. I would recommend to stop imagination. Try and train to be here and now. Often but not every time: At the time when I feel second body, the ties to physical body are quite strong. It feels like physical body tries to anchor myself to it. But slow rocking overcomes that. One must remain calm. One must remain concentrated on here and now. One must remain unattached. When I meet conscious entities while out of body they often seems to be scared off by my very presence in their vicinity. There were a few times when I was surrounded by hostile entities... I found they are scared of me when I'm concentrated. Often I extrude spontaneously waves of bluish aura during such concentration. I'm peaceful, they run from me. Hello. No my imagination is not running wild,i skip the sleep prl part straight to wake up obe in my body i find it easy..i just have to sleep on my back and get to there like 90% of the times same with LD ive like done that so many times.. but yeah.. had to stop because of that. I get choked or harrassed in any other way.. it's like someone is waiting for me to go to sleep. Scared mby a bit now knowing ther's someone always there? It's like i cant get my shields up.. or they just deny it. its just pointless to try OBe now. ive tried all the medidation tehcniques, shields etc.. no help when i reach there they just boom gone. This obe, ld would be much fun..but yeah..

[dunno615]

you should definitely seek professional help if not trolling. Well i posted and not trolling lol.

[dunno615]

Mby my juice extra tasty.

[Psionik]

Hello. No my imagination is not running wild,i skip the sleep prl part straight to wake up obe in my body i find it easy..i just have to sleep on my back and get to there like 90% of the times same with LD ive like done that so many times.. but yeah.. had to stop because of that. I get choked or harrassed in any other way.. it's like someone is waiting for me to go to sleep. Scared maby a bit now knowing there's someone always there? It's like i cant get my shields up.. or they just deny it. its just pointless to try OBe now. ive tried all the meditation techniques, shields etc.. no help when i reach there they just boom gone. This obe, ld would be much fun..but yeah.. As I said, I didn't have any strange occurrences similar to what you described. As for myself, that would make me even more determined to break free. My OBEs(astral travels) are very peaceful experiences. They must be, because emotional disbalance is detrimental for continuance of being out of body. That was lesson I learned at the beginning of my travels. The most I felt was something like light touches on my face and hands and some mumbling sounds... But I concentrate singularly on present state of body to catch the right feeling, to start to feel second body... While in astral, great majority of conscious being I met are scared off of me... the more I'm concentrated and in detached observer state, the more peacefully I feel, but the lower is likelihood that I find someone... Sometimes I get glimpses of beings further away... trying to make larger distance between as. I experience OBE as peaceful experience but I feel there alone. I tried to communicate with any beings I found there, but all I get is loneliness. Unconscious beings(like automatons) are not responding to me and doing their nonsense work- they are also sparse, and do not make me feel to be in some kind of society(community).