Spirit Guides Not Appearing

Hello :)

I had recently read Astral Projection Guidebook by Erin Pavlina, she talked about calling your Spirit Guides. I got the idea that simple thought of calling is enough for them to appear. Last night I had an OBE, pretty stable and vivid one. I was on an physical plane and started calling my Spiritual Guides, I shouted, willed them to appear but nothing happened. After some time I gave up. Last time I saw my Dream Guide (don't know if that's the same) was a few years ago, and I was in a Lucid Dream and HE wasn't TOO interested in me. x)

Is that normal? Was I doing something wrong? Is my energy low...? Do you guys talk to your guides?

Hi. I can offer a bit of advice.

1) Non-stop begging. I called out for over a year. In my prayers, in my nightly mantras as falling asleep, and in every LD. I would call out "SIVA, SIVA, SIVA!" in my LDs as if I was screaming for help. Eventually I was having things watch me from the shadows in my dreams and judging me. One day an entity appeared in front of me (in LD) and I was scared half to death (I actually fled into a church I created and grabbed a cross off the wall). After that everything got really wierd, lol.

2) Worthiness. I am not saying you need to follow rules like no pre-marital sex, but do follow good moral standards such as no stealing or harming, be kind, and making the world a better place. When in LDs or AP work on developing skills and stability, not just running wild.

3)Do not give up.

Listen to your inner self, let it be your guide.
I didn't manage to find guide either.

Does it alarm you that you have no spirit guide? Why do you think you are unable to find one or the one that you have chooses not to present itself to you right now? Life is mysterious, things don't always make sense, nothing says they have to either. Perhaps it just isn't the right time? Perhaps the answer is that they are there and you simply are unaware of their existence. Sometimes when discovering a new sense, the mind must pick up on the finer nuances of things before the sense is strengthened. Imagine developing an entirely new sense than the ones you have, if you do not have eyes to see already, or hands to feel, imagine having to come up with a new sense all on your own. Perhaps it is a lack of this sense that leads you to be unaware of what has always been there. Until a pattern is recognized, there is literally no information to work off of, and your brain can't even begin to make sense of things.

Yes, it bothers me a little bit. Good advice, maybe it isn't, yet, the right time. I feel like my astral body is not strong or pure (light) enough. I will ease into the experience... A few time this week, after I astral projected I asked for purification and strengthening of my energy body. Also I thought deep on Sivasons "Worthiness" advice... Hoping for some progress next week.

I try call my spirit guide in LD few times only in one case someone appear and give me big book.
Have few normal dreams with some guides that teach me /show me some things .
I try to call some other beings to LD but usualy it not work . (it was few years ago with old techniqes)

After one expedimnet it opened to me new kind of preception . Now i can comunicacate with beaings during the day usualy is a very limited comunication .

I can call my spirit animals and even partialy see them with open eyes (very weak image or image flash) . Unfortunatly for untrained person is imposible to do this kind of preception.
It possible to open this communication quicky but it can be dangerous.After this comunication open all kind of things from mind can appear in preception like thoughts or even images or voices.
You can encounter your darkest parts and fears and also feel many information form outside like emotion form other people and amny other. Its need practice to learn controll and open only part you want when you want.In dreams is much safer becouse you do not change normal preception.

Expectation belief system , worries and many other things influence chance.
In my during the day communication i usualy not see them only feel where thy are in space (concept in space) my belief system not asign them any apperence , only in spirit animals i can see them becouse appreance is asigned. If you want see beaings pick some "avatar" for it you can change it later some of beaings pick there own but it need better comunication.This may also help for dream fors create a avatar and then link spirit guide to it you can also try link him to some dream character to avod problems with "materialization" .

Dond expect style of comunication it can me anything form yes/no , normal comunication (voice), telepathy (thoughts,internal dialoge) , images , emotion , fealings...

When you calling beaing is good specifi best as possible.

In many cases guides ale only a intreface created by your sub-C for easier comunication.

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I have lot of information but mainly about during the day comunication and how to create it . First it need some basic intreface with sub-C that give yes/no it can be fealing , pendulum ....

dlucid:
I try comunicate with your sub-C

You currently not have an spirit guide (or your sub-C not know about any)

But you have 3 spirit animals

Suc-C as a guide : currenetly not (you can turn it on)

Current comunicaton with sub-C : fealing (similar to emotions)

Nonphysical comunication preception priority : 3,72 (base) 3,24 (now) - must be below 3 to precieve it C

Blocks:
im not good enought and similar emotion 3x
frustration 247x (i try it and not work and similar)
worries 1x
fears 7x

intetion to comunicate intesity 26/42
intention forumulation optimal% 6%

beliefs OK but 132x some beliefs that complicate comunication
sugestions OK

*seme beaing contacted me about you probably notice me when i search for info
i try ask about spirit guide answer was he is not spirit guide he only know you from somewhere and you have the same teacher.
You probably have some teacher in "astral" but not your personal one .

I totally understand your frustration. When I first read David Wagonner's book on lucid dreaming and heard about the concept of dream guides, I was super gung-ho about summoning them in my lucid dreams. It took about a month before I met mine and the circumstances weren't great. The dream guide was blind, deaf and dumb, and was confined to a wheelchair. I tried communicating with him but it was completely impossible. Very frustrating. This kind of thing happened several times. My take away from that was that I wasn't psychologically ready for it - I had sub-conscious walls up preventing me from adequately communicating with other entities in my dreams. (My state of mind was esentially "crippling" the communication. The symbolism was very obvious there, haha.)

You said the last time you encountered your dream guide HE didn't seem to interested in you. Perceptions in the dreamscape are reflections of your consciousness/beliefs/hangups,etc. It's possible that the experience of your dreamguide not being available or interested is a belief that YOU carry sub-consciously. Maybe there's a feeling of unworthiness, or of revering dreamguides as too good/much better than you.

In my case, I found I was subconsciously throttling the interaction by putting too much pressure on it, and feeling too needy about it (like I needed to meet my dream guide to learn specific things or solve specific problems that I just couldn't do without their special insight). That psychological pressure built actual physical barriers in my dream reality that made it impossible for me to communicate with dream guides. While learning to relax into that, I also spent some time deepening my meditation practice to gain a better control of my mind, which makes it easier to exert control in dreams in general.

My advice would be to use your next few dreams (especially the lucid ones) to examine any unconscious beliefs or tendencies you have that might be inhibiting your interactions with dream guides. Then try to apply any of those new insights. Also, do some simply daily shamatha meditation to gain better control of the mind. :)

I haven't had luck with reaching guides in dreams, but during meditation and energy healing I have. I read a short book, Dreams of the Reiki Shaman by Jim Pathfinder Ewing, and for some reason it got me "unstuck" and able to find and communicate with some of my spirit guides. They are power animals (and i hesitate using that term) however they have proven to be true to me and with the advice they provide.

The way I found some of my power animals was to just site and close my eyes, do a Reiki prayer (asking to be cleansed, healed and protected), and then asked for any spirit guides to present themselves. I was influenced by this book's paradigm so I owe it credit for opening my mind, but I think if you have a genuine desire to be contacted by them, then keep having an open mind and keep asking :)

I believe they are always around, so if you are looking for something super specific then you might be faced with a mental block. Besides the spirit animals, other spirit guides usually manifest in my subconscious as beings of light. However, spirit/power animals aside, I think spirit guides can manifest as a variety of different appearances, but generally give off positive feels and a genuine feeling of well-being.

I've had only a few encounters with what I thought to be my guide, but I also feel like there's a good chance it was just a dream character created by my own desperation. I usually find the search to be very frustrating, almost like when I am lucid and decide to call for them, my dream and lucidity instantly become foggy, and consciousness quickly follows. My control goes out the window, and I become too frustrated to progress in my search.

A guide is somebody or something that chooses you and that you choose as well. It is an agreement. I feel as though if you are the only one seeking something at the moment, then it winds up being the case that you are left open-ended. I figured I would post again because my original post was more or less meant to open your mind, but this time I think I can provide actual advice. The only thing I can suggest is to keep trying, to keep putting yourself out there. If it is not known to any potential guides that you seek guidance, how can you receive it? Don't give up, I think eventually you will find one. Also, perhaps you could do more than simply seek a guide, maybe you could find a way to prove yourself, so to speak? If a potential guide does not sense any kind of... well, potential in you, then what reason has it to guide you? Perhaps you can try and send messages or a form of positive energy, maybe state a goal that you are trying to accomplish in the form of thoughts, concepts, etc. I'm just kinda trying to brainstorm and to help you generate ideas at this moment in time.

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Originally Posted by dlucid

Hello :)

I had recently read Astral Projection Guidebook by Erin Pavlina, she talked about calling your Spirit Guides. I got the idea that simple thought of calling is enough for them to appear. Last night I had an OBE, pretty stable and vivid one. I was on an physical plane and started calling my Spiritual Guides, I shouted, willed them to appear but nothing happened. After some time I gave up. Last time I saw my Dream Guide (don't know if that's the same) was a few years ago, and I was in a Lucid Dream and HE wasn't TOO interested in me. x)

Is that normal? Was I doing something wrong? Is my energy low...? Do you guys talk to your guides?

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I'd like to share a few ideas that may be of benefit.

One thing I noticed is that you said you were on a "physical plane." Of course, you were most likely on a nonphysical plane, despite how physical it may have appeared. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "physical plane," but if you are referring to the dimension resonating closest to our physical dimension, then you are referring to what is called the "Real Time Zone. The RTZ is essentially an energetic reflection of the physical plane, so it appears to be the physical dimension. This is the lowest vibrating dimension that is encountered while out of body, in my experience anyway, and is considered to be a buffer zone of sorts between the physical and astral dimensions, although not necessarily a part of the astral planes.

Having said that, in my countless OBEs I have not once encountered a "guide" in the RTZ. Any attempt to reach out to one was futile in this dimension. It wasn't until I started to penetrate into higher dimensions, into the astral planes, that I was able to contact guides. They would even make their way into my experiences without any intention on my part. My advice would be to shift into a higher dimension before setting the intention to meet a guide. There are various techniques for shifting into higher dimensions which can be found in Chapter 9 of the book The Phase: http://obe4u.com/files/the_phase.pdf The intention may shift you directly into an encounter with a guide, or you may have to call out again once you have made the shift.


Another thought that may be worth looking into is why you wish to meet a spirit guide. Do you think they will take you places, show you things, or reveal information to you that you are incapable of accessing on your own? Do you believe that an out of body guide or the experience that may result from meeting one will benefit your life? What are you really looking for? I think the answer is the same for everyone. We are looking for happiness. A more refined and more lasting form of happiness than what the material world could ever provide. But consider that experiences out of body are just as temporary and ultimately as unsatisfactory as any other conditioned experience in the physical world. Perhaps the true happiness we desire cannot be found in mystical excursions with spirit guides. Perhaps there are no shortcuts to the purification of the mind, no shortcuts to the elimination of the mind's defilements which are the cause of all forms of stress and suffering, no shortcuts to the cultivation of the highest form of unconditioned happiness that we are all ultimately seeking.

I'm not saying that it's wrong to explore the various layers of our spiritual self or spiritual reality or investigate concepts like spirit guides and such. I'm simply saying that our motivations should be examined to ensure that our thoughts, intentions, and actions are in line with the results that we desire. As an example, in my earlier years of spiritual exploration I was under the impression that I could somehow become an enlightened spiritual master by accessing the highest spiritual dimensions and learning the deepest spiritual truths via my out of body experiences. Had I focused my efforts into actions that actually led to the enlightenment and purification of the mind, I would be that much more developed and my mind would be that much more illuminated today. Sure, I had some pretty transcendental and revelatory experiences and acquired some fascinating and even beneficial information regarding the nature of my self and reality, but these experiences left my mind no less defiled and its tendency to create stress and suffering was not addressed through this means of experience.

(As a side note, my mind is/was not particularly any more or less defiled than anyone else conditioned by western society or the human experience in general. We all have attachments, desires, aversions, delusions, and ignorance of various degrees, and these defilements are the cause of all stress and suffering in our minds. I don't believe I experienced any more stress or suffering than the average person. I want to make this clear in case some got the idea that I was suffering far more than what is applicable to their own experience.)

Take care

Your guide may be something you are not expecting.

For some time I was asking dcs questions. There were two instances where I encountered specific dcs and had a profound experience. I typically never have repeat dcs. However, the time I actually met a real "spirit guide" if you can call it that, those two dcs that I had profound experiences with before appeared. They behaved the same exact way as before. I have only seen them in lucids as well. Anyway, the guide that I met ended up being a tree and the two dcs were trying to guide me to it.

I realized afterwards that I wasn't listening or paying enough attention to my other dcs. I assumed things about them which tainted my view of our communication. It took a meeting with a powerful tree to show me what was really going on. Just stay open and willing to learn.