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      Interesting thread.

      I successfully merged dreams with reality for about a week by constantly pretending I was in a dream, and deluding myself into believing it was a dream. When I would wake up in the morning, I would try to carry over my dreaming state and hold onto it for the rest of the day, whilst constantly imagining reality was a dream, and that people were dream characters and everything was a product of my mind. It got to a point where the line between dreaming and wakefulness was blurred and I had trouble distinguishing between the two. I had many odd coincidences and synchronicities occur during this time and it was like my thoughts were affecting reality. However, my mind became foggy and I felt drowsy very sleep-like similar to autopilot with a hard time remembering things clearly.

      The way it affected my dreams was like being conscious all the time but at a low-level of awareness. It was like there was no transition from waking to dreaming or vice versa, just a constant flow of consciousness and awareness. It was a very fun and unique experience but I won't be trying it again any time soon. If it wasn't for the low level awareness and foggy mind and memory due to constantly tricking myself then it would definitely be worth more exploring.

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      Wow! That is very interesting. I will definitely give that a go at some point. Maybe I will start slow... That constant flow of awareness is something I am looking for as I've had it at times in dreams but not so constant. Thanks for sharing!
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      Okay so I've been thinking about doing this for some time now but i have been preoccupied with other matters until now. I think I am able to direct a bit more of my awareness to this in my lucid dreams; so what I plan to do now is to seek information on this topic via the dream world. That's where you guys come in. You can join me or just help me come up with ideas to do this, like questions. I have learned things before through asking DC's questions, and being in the dream world means I can directly test things too, although it won't necessarily be the same as in waking. I will try to ask things directly to the dream as I have already encountered the awareness behind dreams before.

      Some questions I have in mind at the moment to begin:

      •"Show/teach me the process of manifesting something in waking life"

      •"How does the process of creation differ in dreams compared to waking life?"

      •"How may I channel my intent in order to manifest something?"

      •"How does time affect manifestation of things in waking life?"

      •"Is the dream world necessary for the creation of waking life?" or "Do we dream up what happens in waking life?"

      I do realize that this will take along time and it's a lot of questions for me to carry out, especially since I have lately been in a dry spell and also it's very likely that I may not even learn anything useful considering how random dreams can be. I still think it's worth a shot and would value any contribution!
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      Definitely, will keep u posted with any major or relevant updates
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      Had an interesting non-lucid dream that touched on something that might be important in all of this or at least something else parallel with this that I find really interesting. so throughout the whole dream I had a feeling that everything had already happened (in a dream or not) and that I knew what was about to happen, like Déjà Rêvé. I then asked a DC "whether he thought possible that we could be reliving something that already happened" and as I asked this I had an insight that this exactly what might be happening. We keep reliving every moment over and over again and every time we go through it again, we gain a little bit more of awareness which allows us to change "destiny".

      I know this could have just been a false memory of having experienced the event, but what was interesting was the aspect of time here. I see that time is an illusion to us and that we are simultaneously living every moment of our life right now. So I think it's possible that we are somehow able to feel something that is happening in the "now" which is actually in the future to our relative now, and therefore be able to change our future "now" (that was confusing, sorry). So the idea this really gave me was whether it's possible to have that feeling of intuition or Déjà Rêvé at all moments in waking life like I had in my dream. It seems like it would be a major part in creating reality and would be really cool. Like that Nicholas Cage movie 'Next'
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      The objective behind any method I practice for awakening is to connect with the idea to the point where i am experiencing it. That's manifestation, reality, dream in a nutshell. So the method really, is irrelevant. The magnitude with which you can connect with the dream is the goal. And it is a learning curve, getting easier with practice. Also, while trying to connect/manifest its easy to notice what is holding you back. I notice the doubt, the uncertainty, maybe even fear of success when I am manifesting the dream of reality.

      So what about the times where it seems like everything is going wrong?? You can turn your situation (which is really just the current state of your mind/dream) as fast as you can blink when you get good, learning to control and navigate the seas of your mind.

      This is my reflection on the matter. Gold for anyone interested
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      I still wish I could pinpoint what exactly works for me. Sometimes I feel so close, where things occur almost instantly that is just unbelievable. It's so true though that it seems to get easier with practice and we can notice things that sometimes hold us back. Yeah I can notice when I get in a negative mood or when I'm just obsessing over something and all it takes is that awareness and I can change my mind state.

      One thing I have been thinking for a long while now is deliberately manifesting some kind of situation that would clash with someone else's free will. I don't want to do that, but in a way everything we do affects everyone and ultimately everyone has a choice depending on how aware they are. People influence other people all the time too. But I still wonder if it's just a matter of awareness on their part or maybe intent on ours.
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      I can see awareness and free will being proportionately related to each other. The most aware dreamer may also have the majority control over the realm?

      Still tho what is 'more' awareness or 'majority' control? I've been breaking down quantitative ideas like more, less, better, worse, faster, time, space etc. to better understand spacelessness. Understanding that the mental model we experience occurs in a spaceless place. Not that it is in an infinite space, not that it is in a finite point, but spaceless, timeless, unless we entertain the ideas of space and time.
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      I see. That makes sense I guess, at least that's true to most of my lucid dreams, in terms of control but it's not always the case. Sometimes there are still some restrictions even when I am in high awareness in dreams. It's interesting how sometimes very vivid and stable dreams actually mean less control in terms of doing out of the ordinary to our waking life stuff. Probably due to our unconscious expectations in waking being present here?

      I also see this experience being in a spaceless and timeless model but the problem then comes on how to experientially know this in being. So far the closest I have been has been with the use of drugs, but it's hard to retain that feeling.
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      Drugs are ok but I don't like to use them as they have side effects and are a crutch. All you need is your imagination, because everything is imagination. Believing in the drug is believing that something u created has more power than you. When you take a drug, what you are actually doing is releasing your imagination's inhibitions by trusting that xxxx will take you to a certain mental space. But you can cut out the middle man and just know that you van achieve the same and greater results without any drugs.

      Its funny, when I mention an idea like timelessness or spacelessness your imagination instantly knows what tht is and takes you there. Even if it is only a faint idea you still see the place in your imagination. You don't need anyone to tell you but it's somehow reassuring when someone does.

      Drugs, books, google, or dreamviews can't tell you the answer nearly as quickly or fully as the intuitive concepts your imagination will show you.

      To immerse yourself in the experience, or manifest it seems to be a matter of connecting with the idea. That's as much as I have so far
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      Everything is pretty much fair game (drugs, books, etc) as it's all a part of the imagination but should be used appropriately in a way that serves you rather than us serving it. it's true that we don't need anything to achieve whatever we want but a big problem that all humans seem to have is that we are not masters of our bodies. We get sucked into the role, which is also part of the fun of living but because of it we end up missing out on our true potential that sometimes we are not even presently aware. And drugs or anything can trigger somethig we never thought possible that suddenly changes our way of thinking and helps us move on and grow.

      Yeah it always seems to come down to being in the now. To be fully engaged in the present, lucidly. So when we are able to immerse ourselves in the experience we wish to have and fully experience it without actually experiencing it, then we seem to manifest it and be able to physically experience it (We need to already have something in order to experience that thing). It's a paradox. what you give is what you get, so we have to give what we don't have to get it.
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      I agree, it is all fair game and its just a matter of remembering you are able to achieve with or without.

      I would say that immersion IS experiencing. Just by imagining even slightly you have manifested. As of right now I assume you are immersed in the delusion of waking life. All immersion is delusion, whether it be a daydream or the experience before you now. The intensity of the delusion can be enhanced with focus and also fade away through changing focus

      Its new for me to see the world like this, but imagining even slightly is experiencing. It is just as real as the more intense visualizations of waking life, the goal is to swap intensity so that the desired dream is more intense. My best methods so far with this are shared in the other thread, other than that meditation. As ways of connecting with the concept desired.

      I love this goal because rather than attempting to escape from reality, you find reality as it truly is
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      Ah I see what you mean now. I agree, even imagining is experiencing and the degree of focus on the intensity will change how immersed we are. Yeah looking at reality like this is what makes it all worth it.
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      This is fun, lucid living to this degree is like a game in remembering how to use your imagination.
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      These past couple of days I've somehow become more immersed in my imagination, to the point where I have had some hallucinations lol. Couple of days ago I distinctively saw a mouse go across in front of me, but other than that there are no signs at all of any mouse present (there were some mouses before in the house and they made various sounds and left various traces including waste droppings). So now I actually think I may have just imagined it. Also, yesterday I thought I heard someone calling me down. Went down to find no one called me. It's interesting because the first reaction is to think this is a bad thing, and that I could become schizophrenic. At the same time I am curious and wonder if this is it. The dream merger. I had little sleep the night before yesterday so it could just be that I was sleep deprived then but the first one I have no explanation.

      Also tried some active immersion whilst watching football (Non-American - soccer) and actually got to experience exactly the result I focused on. At first I had a thought that my team would get scored upon and a few minutes later they did. I then realized that I thought this and tried to actively think for my team to score. Kept chanting in my mind "I choose to experience *my team's name* scoring a goal before the first half finishes". In the last minute of the first half we score. Then on the second half I did the same thing again as well as trying to feel how I would if my team were winning and how it would look on the scoreboard. Just as the game was about to finish it was still 1x1 and I remembered how in the first half it happened when the game was ending, so maybe it would happen again now. Almost instantly, my team scores again.

      Another thing, yesterday I came across a quote I had written some time ago: "you predict the future because you create it. And you create it by taking the past, adding to it the intent and thought, and practice of the present and create what's coming up in the future by doing that."
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      Maybe there's a way to download more powerfully into the subconscious.

      I firmly believe that though the conscious is nice, it is only like a small rudder on a large ship, where the ship is the subC. If we consistently immerse the subconscious into the goal we should be able to get results much more quickly. Also think of the iceberg analogy of the subconscious. Where the conscious is the small bit above water and the subC is the large mass underneath.

      Ideas on How:
      Art/Symbolic pieces in your bedroom
      Subliminal Message
      Some kind of charm bracelet

      etc..

      I think the artwork in my bedroom would be the most powerful of these for me. But I will attempt to dream up better/more powerful ideas than these and report back.
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      Maybe there is. I certainly haven't thought of using something outside of myself to do so, so it's definitely an interesting approach. Thanks. I'm seeing it like using anchors. Is that how you were thinking? Use objects or symbols associated with a certain something to experience that?

      Also as it turns out there is indeed a mouse so I'm not hallucinating things, yet. Not any more than the next person at least.
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      Well consider this:

      It was and is a hallucination, but so is everything.

      Everything you see is a hallucination. Visual, audio, etc. When all these synch together it is a hallucination perceived as real. So is there really a mouse? Yes as long as you imagine it so.
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      I started looking into Neville Goddard's work yesterday. He has many but this is a good one where he describes persistence in belief. I'm excited to listen to more of his work when I have the time

      TLDR: If the video is too long it basically covers the importance of persistence in practicing what you believe vs what you see, and how supernatural results are possible that way.

      I've heard of anchors, I need you to refresh my memory but I think we may have the same idea here. For an extreme example, if every day you wake up in a palace vs every day you wake up in a junk yard you will have different perspective on your day. The setting can influence our beliefs

      Also, Contemplate this episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer called "Normal Again"

      http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Normal_Again

      In it Buffy is entirely hallucinating two seperate worlds but must choose one as a 'reality'
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      Haha love the image! Yes I see that it's all a hallucination, only meant in the sense how intense or rather "physical" it is. But yeah, I still need to practice some more seeing the world like this, it is quite easy to lose lucidity and forget it.

      Really cool vid. Hadn't heard of Neville Goddart before but now I will definitely check more of his stuff out. The "I AM" concept is something I am really taken into. I got to experience oneness through the use of drugs and that changed my whole life. But even before that, there this guy I found out years ago whose work led me to change my life completely. His name is Paul Solomon, and he was psychic who channel a 'source' that would answer questions and give various teachings on subjects of life. One thing it always said was that the name of God can only be said to be "I AM" because it is everything. Therefore we are God. But God as we humans think being all powerful is I guess the next step that we will eventually become. So we may not be God's as we humans see it, but eventually we will be so we therefore are. There is only one consciousness in the universe and it is us! When I first felt this oneness I was actually pretty bummed out as I realized how lonely we are haha. Anyways, I will link some of his stuff later when I get on my pc tomorrow or something.

      Also when the video talked about law of Freedom, it reminded me of this Alan Watts video I just watched today where he talks about true freedom being when we don't have a choice. When we act without thinking. When we are decisive.
      It's a good talk if you are interested. Gonna post the short version I am talking about but also the complete version it was taken from. (Can only post the link using my phone)

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      As for anchors that's not quite what I meant I think. But I see what you mean with the perspective affecting belief. I don't know much about it to be honest but you know how we can listen to a song and suddenly feel exactly as we felt at another period of our life and feel all the stuff we felt then. That nostalgia. Well anchors as I know it is how we can sort of program into an action/object/word, a feeling or emotion. So that everytime we do that action/touch the object/hear or say the word, we experience that feeling. And the way to do it is to associate the action/object/word with the feeling obviously, but by using visualizations and using the senses. Something like that. So what you said earlier made it seem like we could use symbols and such things to help in the manifestation of our hallucinations just like in a dream we might make use of dream objects for dream control.

      Edit (forgot to include this): That sounds like a cool episode. I've had it a few times in dreams where it feels like a different storyline is happening simultaneous or that it keeps going back and forth between storylines. It is all about focus then I guess. just like how there is no good or bad. It's all subjective depending on the point of view. Like you said, it's all about connecting to idea or hallucination desired.
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      So, I've been listening to more talks like Allan Watts and Neville Goddard. It was a nice weekend. I spent a lot of it training with the imagination and resting my mind. I started really going deep with this process in May, so a couple months now. But I thought of an idea:

      Time Capsule

      This method would be best after practicing with another Waking Dream Control technique for some months.

      The Method
      1. Collect everything you have created in relation to your goal into a box
      2. Label the box with a date X in the future
      3. Store the box away until the appointed time
      4. Think about other things
      5. Come back to the box at date X and see the results

      X can range from hours to days to years. Whatever you would like.
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      I gotta say though, I don’t really like this method. Mostly because the idea of stalling for time bothers me a lot. Still, I can see how this method works.
      I run into the problem of time a lot when I think about Waking Dream Control. I’m so attached to the idea that time exists. But there is no time really, and once that is understood (connecting to the idea of timelessness) then time can be used as a tool to play with rather than a law to live under.
      But I still thought that a method like this could be useful. Sometimes when focused on an idea for too long it becomes difficult to come up with new insights, or I become constantly in my thoughts rather than experiencing the moment before me. So with this it allows the mind to become distracted from the goal and engaged with the dominant reality, while the envisioned reality comes to exist without our direct focus.
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      That's really nice. Lately I haven't been very focused and my thoughts have been a bit scattered. I do remember one period of my life a couple of years ago where I felt present, for at least a month straight, and I remember thinking so clearly and having so much energy, it was truly amazing. That's how I'd imagine great beings like Jesus would constantly be.

      I think there is definitely something to this method. Because when we focus on an idea for too long then like you say it becomes difficult to come up with new insights but also I think it might emphasize the lack of that idea for example. If that makes any sense (The more we think about what we want, the more we are acknowledging the lack of whatever it is we want). So having it a the back of the mind might be best rather than something we are constantly thinking about. A problem I think I would have with this is how specific would I be for my goal for example. The more specific I get the more doubt I feel there is in my mind which is not good or constructive. I think I will have both specific and vague goals to test it. Will let you know how it goes if I do.
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      Nice,

      I have way too much fun focusing on this concept so I think what I will do is time capsule all that I have worked on so far (mark it for 2 years in honor of One Piece time skip) and start fresh!

      This way I can still practice and develop new techniques while leaving all that I've dreamt up so far to the subconscious!

      I listened to this last night:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvI1cuq_uug

      It got me really excited to start up with Da SHIT, a method I developed a little earlier but never got around to trying out: (can skip if you've read already)
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      -Da Story Habit Induction Technique-

      Another trick for Waking Dream Control I am playing with is Plot and Story. This is kind of like organizing archetypes. For most scenarios we have a general script or plot already written out. The plot of our morning rituals happening, the plot of how our relationships with the opposite sex works, the plot of how school or work is. There is also an overarching plot of how we believe our life will go. Working with plot on all levels will immensely change a persons path.

      Exercises for strengthening this skill could include writing a story for our future days or years. Another exercise is to write out a specific sector of your life (job, school, relationships,finance etc) as you would like to see it. The most fun IMO is the option to write stories that are true dreams rather than just realistic. Stories with plots where you have all sorts of psychic abilities and allies, mythical pets, etc. Go all out. They say if u shoot for the moon you land in the stars.

      This isnt a one shot deal, unless you just 'get it' and have a waking lucid your first time writing. Instead, through writing many short stories about yourself, you restructure your classic plot style. A new storyhabit is formed. Eventually you start noticing the plots you usually think for your life as you are thinking them.You will naturally stop a bad plot in its tracks and start Imagining better plots for your life and the new plots will become dominant. Starting off however, it is best for a Waking Dream Controller to write plots down. It is of similar importance as a Dream Journal for regular lucid dreamers. This is how you notice the story habits you are already forming. It also exercises and enhances your creativity.

      This is stronger than trying to change just one action because actions effect just a moment, plot effects the lifetime structure of the dream. Also, theme. Where plot is the story line, theme is the mood or the feeling behind the story. You can sense the mood you have already built for your life. It changes from one event to the next, one phase of your life to the next, but you can adjust themes of specific sections of your life as well as the overarching theme of your life by just using those exercises.

      Final Notes: relax. The story coming true or not in exact detail isnt the key. Keep on and they will come true, but the focus is having fun using your imagination. Also, this is a long term permanent fix rather than a quick temporary fix. In that way it is similar to All Day Awareness in that the practice is on going.

      Anyway, a short paragraph a day is good enough. Going in depth also helps, like doing a 3 page story if you get really into it. But its more about consistency. So doing a 5 sentence story every day for 90 days straight is many times better than a 3 page story for 10 days on and off. 90 consecutive days is a recommended time frame in order to create a strong habit. After that your mind will naturally create more desirable stories and waking dreams. You can always return to Da Story Habit Induction Technique for fun or to recalibrate your waking plot
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      When it comes down to it, if we don't fix our self talk we could end up coming back to the same place over and over because our story is stuck in Classic Mode. And as I notice my self talk I notice the negative and the positive. Not just in words but also in pictures and emotions. The perspective from which we habitually see reality
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      haha, when you return to check after 2 years time you'll be able to use the emperor's haki ^^
      (Damn, speaking of haki, I just heard a phone vibration as if ringing. So I pick up my phone thinking that was weird and bam! it starts to vibrate from a phone call).

      I like Da SHIT method hehe, it's similar to what I used to do which I think I wrote about it earlier in this thread where I just wrote stories and created a character, etc. I used to do it like this where I would write every other day and carry on from where it left of. Even if it doesn't actualise in physical reality I at least still get to experience it as I write it, just like writing down a dream in a journal. See it's actually interesting that you brought it up because last couple of nights I have been thinking of starting it up again and also to create my own world which I could go to in my dreams (a persistent realm). This is just another confirmation motivating me to get on with it

      That was good talk on self talk. Yeah, everything seems to be a cyclical and we are bound to come back, the least we can do is come back with awareness of it.
      Maybe the way it goes is something like this: THOUGHTS ----------> WORDS (Self talk) ----------> EXPERIENCE
      So if we want to change our thoughts to ultimately change our experience we need to: EXPERIENCE ----------> WORDS (Self talk) ----------> THOUGHTS
      so we are back in the paradox and there goes that saying "Fake it till you make it".
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      Been reading about sexual energy and Chakra systems, and I think they may be a key part in manifestation. Harnessing this energy instead of wasting it for pleasure (not that it is a waste) seems to be a important step into creation and unleashing creative energy into manifestation. Still not exactly sure of how one uses it though, most things I read are very vague and seem to mention a withhold from sexual release but not exactly how one can direct such energy. I am guessing intention and action may be enough. I can definitely feel a greater flow of energy the longer I withhold so this should be interesting to see
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      I looked into sex magic briefly, mostly because of Napoleon Hill's 'Think and Grow Rich' which also covers these topics. He has an entire section dedicated to the idea. It's a popular book so maybe you've read it already but check it out if you haven't.


      Also, this is an essay by Neville Goddard about Assumption:
      http://www.mindserpent.com/library/g...sumption_2.pdf


      Since I found out about him last week I have been reading a lot of his stuff as well as others. Assumption is a core concept
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