Thread: Is it possible to move items in the physical world?

Originally Posted by Samael

If I were to put in a skeptical hypothesis, it would be that she either knows or subconsciously is aware of the timing of the lights as they overheat or switch back on. I don't actually have any skin in this game, though, so I'm not actively disputing your point.

That sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory... Pretty far out accusations. lol.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

That sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory... Pretty far out accusations. lol.

Haha except there is in no way a conspiracy involved.

Originally Posted by VinceField

Haha except there is in no way a conspiracy involved.

It must be. I think it's leprauchans. They're always up to no good!

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

It must be. I think it's leprauchans. They're always up to no good!

Illuminati leprechauns to be exact.

Originally Posted by VinceField

Illuminati leprechauns to be exact.

that mother....

I did make a thread on this for waking like its call I want to talk about eelemental bending. I think this thread is for doing it in your dreams. But no one else is saying anything so oh well my bad I started it.lol

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

What's your theory on how she's making the first lamp bright?

What's your theory on how she makes the first lamp dimmer?

What's your theory on how she turns the second one on?

What's your theory on how she turns the second one off?

I looked on that video more carefully. This was not the wrong light sensor... those were bad arc discharge lamps.

It was not her making. It was automatic. Why do you think the lamp was off first? It was cooling down. When it was cooled enough starter managed to make sustainable discharge. Then lamp went brighter and brighter because it was ramping to the working temperature. As lamps go to the working temperature discharge is generally going brighter. But that lamp was probably broken and it overheated and went dark again. If that video was longer then we would see cycle of switch on, brightening and again shutting down.

For the second lamp it would be the same.

I know this is not what you mean but to the question "Is it possible to move items in the physical world," I have found out that the answer is yes. I have for all my life been curious and have desired magical powers because of some "paranormal" stuff I saw as a child. This has been in vain but in the end, there was a mystical feeling with the realisation that I already can do magic. I do have the power to move items in the physical world. I can use my hands. I can use my body.

It's obvious but with the right perspective, it does feel magic.

As a kid I used to believe I could use telekenesis. I think it was because I watched Mathilda

If we can not move physical items. That means our mind is not infinite. I just realize this

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

If we can not move physical items. That means our mind is not infinite. I just realize this

Is that the first time you realized that?

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

If we can not move physical items. That means our mind is not infinite. I just realize this

It could mean that our mind is not from this world.

Originally Posted by Psionik

I looked on that video more carefully. This was not the wrong light sensor... those were bad arc discharge lamps.

It was not her making. It was automatic. Why do you think the lamp was off first? It was cooling down.

Street lamps do not shut off because they get too hot. Just like your headlights on your car or your light bulbs in your house do not shut off when they get hot.

When it was cooled enough starter managed to make sustainable discharge. Then lamp went brighter and brighter because it was ramping to the working temperature. As lamps go to the working temperature discharge is generally going brighter. But that lamp was probably broken and it overheated and went dark again. If that video was longer then we would see cycle of switch on, brightening and again shutting down.

For the second lamp it would be the same.

You need to do more research on how light bulbs work. Street lights are just lights with a light sensor on the top that makes them switch on when it gets dark, and turn off when it's light out. There is NO danger of them overheating, so there is no heat sensor turning off hot lights. There is no "working temperature". LOL! They just turn on like all electric lights. Arc lamps have been replaced by incandescent bulbs decades ago. Maybe you're getting combustion engines and electric lights mixed up.

^^ Actually...

Streetlights tend to have extremely efficient metal-hallide or similar elements that do indeed take a moment to "warm up," and do require a few seconds (or minutes, if they are old) to reach full brightness or to shut down. They really are not like the incandescent bulbs we use at home. So Psionik's description seems accurate (he actually seems to have a better technical grasp on this than I do, so I guess I should have let him respond...).

This has nothing to do with your friend's actual ability, Nomad; I just wanted to be sure that this bit of info was clear so we can move on.

[EDIT: I forgot to mention that streetlight elements probably can overheat, given that they seem constructed with a lot of safeguards against it,.. I use the bulbs in my art, so I'm very familiar with all the parts, and many seem to be present for safety or control of heat.]

Sageous: Well I was thinking about technical university, before I took chemistry head on
Walking Nomad, please, incandescent bulbs are very inefficient. They have very short lifetime, about 1000h... it would be inconvenient for street use. You mixed them with mercury arc discharge lamps(or named gas discharge lamps) whose are in use from 1930 when their mass production begun.
Mercury and amalgam based arc lamps are 10x as efficient as incandescent bulbs and have also better operational life. They are replaced because of toxic mercury by natrium arc lamps and metal halide lamps with similar or higher efficiency but it is short process and mercury based arc lamps are in shops because of their lower cost... and I also saw LED based street lights... But they are rare at this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-vapor_lamp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal-halide_lamp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium...essure_.2F_HPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_street_light

From wiki:
Operation
File:Mercury vapour lamp.ogg
Warm-up of a color corrected 80 W high-pressure mercury vapor lamp to half brightness
When a mercury vapor lamp is first turned on, it will produce a dark blue glow because only a small amount of the mercury is ionized and the gas pressure in the arc tube is very low, so much of the light is produced in the ultraviolet mercury bands. As the main arc strikes and the gas heats up and increases in pressure, the light shifts into the visible range and the high gas pressure causes the mercury emission bands to broaden somewhat, producing a light that appears more nearly white to the human eye, although it is still not a continuous spectrum. Even at full intensity, the light from a mercury vapor lamp with no phosphors is distinctly bluish in color. The pressure in the quartz arc-tube rises to approximately one atmosphere once the bulb has reached its working temperature. If the discharge should be interrupted (e.g. by interruption of the electric supply), it is not possible for the lamp to restrike until the bulb cools enough for the pressure to fall considerably. The reason for a prolonged period of time before the lamp restrikes is because mercury vapor ballasts along with other HID lamp ballasts send relatively low voltage to the lamp upon start up, but as pressure increases inside the arc-tube, higher voltage is required to keep the lamp lit so the ballast sends higher voltage to the lamp. Once the ballast is shut off and turned on again, it starts over at a low voltage but if the lamp is still hot, then high pressure inside the arc-tube prevents the lamp from striking an arc and turning on.[

Their other advantages are a long bulb lifetime in the range of 24,000 hours and a high intensity, clear white light output.[1] For these reasons, they are used for large area overhead lighting, such as in factories, warehouses, and sports arenas as well as for streetlights. Clear mercury lamps produce white light with a bluish-green tint due to mercury's combination of spectral lines.[1]

the streetlamps in the video give off yellow light.

Anyway, back on topic. This thread is about moving stuff in the physical world from your dreams. I met someone who claimed to do it from the astral plane, in an OBE. I'll tell you the story if you're interested.

The light spectra depends on fluorescent used on glass. It may change very dramatically. And take in consideration, that broken mercury gas discharge lamp has different light characteristics.
Natrium(sodium) lamps give yellowish spectra.
You can use mercury gas discharge lamp as UV lamp for sunbathing- the only thing you has to do is to remove outer part of lamp with luminofor. I wouldn't recommend it nevertheless, the UV rays produced by this lamp are not of right part of spectra.

I didn't manage to move anything in physical world while I was lucid dreaming or out of body. But I heard a tales... One friend here from slovakia told me that he knew woman who was visible outside of her house, while she was having OBE. I can't say whether it is truth or not. I didn't see that on my own eyes. I also read some poltergeist looking events made by people while OBEing... You know how it is... There is Randi Prize. Lets win a million dollars

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Anyway, back on topic. This thread is about moving stuff in the physical world from your dreams. I met someone who claimed to do it from the astral plane, in an OBE. I'll tell you the story if you're interested.

Please, do tell. Did you get to see them do this, did they explain how they did it and were they able to back it up? Did they explain how you could do it yourself given enough practice? I'm always interested in hearing how people can do it, even if I don't necessarily believe it. It's one more chance to see if it really is possible. If it's actually possible, at least one of the times somebody shows it or explains it, it will work and actually be possible. If you dismiss everything you hear about it right away, how would you ever know if it's actually possible, right?

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

If we can not move physical items. That means our mind is not infinite. I just realize this

Reading this, I have to ask: what made you think your mind was infinite in the first place? I don't mean to be condescending or anything, please don't take it that way. If I had to guess, it was due to a line of thinking similar to the idea that "because the universe is infinite there are infinite possibilities". However, there are problems making that assumption too. There's plenty of evidence that, if interpreted a certain way, seems to indicate that the universe is finite. If that were the case, it follows that there is a limited number of possibilities, no? If we assume the universe is infinite, and there are "infinite possibilities", does this mean that any scenario you can think of must be? I don't think that's inherently true. Despite the fact that there are an infinite number of possibilities, logically it does not follow that everything that can happen, will happen. To prove this, it's as simple as making a few observations. There is a consensus among all sane humans that there is indeed a cause, and an effect. It does not work in the opposite fashion, the arrow of time seems to point only in one general direction, even if matter and particles experience their own relative, "local" time clock. We move forward in time, not backwards. The "infinite" in infinite number of possibilities stems from the "infinite" in the assumption that our universe is infinite. Just because we can count numbers ad infinitum up and down, positive and negative, it is never possible for 4 to be equal in value to 13. So, while the universe is infinite, it means that cause and effect will continue happen, that new things will always keep happening. It also proves that the universe must follow its laws/rules. It does not mean you can break the laws of physics, it doesn't mean you can have effect preceding cause. It does not mean that your favorite anime is taking place in reality somewhere in the universe, at some point in time. It doesn't mean that at some point you will come back from the dead and find a way to evolve beyond our limitations in 4 dimensions and find a way to make the universe be made up of a bunch of infinitely small you's forming chains and forming the particles that we are composed of. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. Despite that there are an infinite amount of possibilities, there is only one possible outcome when cause winds up leading to effect.

Again, the infinite in the phrase comes from the assumed fact that the universe itself is infinite, and initial commonsense saying that that means everything will happen, but what it really means is that anything could happen. The infinite possibilities only have a finite outcome in the present. However, there are an infinite amount of finite outcomes that the universe can have (again, making the assumption the universe is infinite), but the outcomes cannot defy the natural laws of physics. I think this is a very important concept to stress to people. Most use the commonsense understanding of what "infinite universe, therefore infinite possibilities" means as proof of their idea's validity, rather than it's possible and maybe even unlikely validity.

Snoop- infinite possibilities have infinite outcomes in the multiverse, but only one outcome in universe. That only outcome makes our timeline. Any other outcome leads to creation of different timeline(universe). This is theory... it is not provable. Even if I saw this in OBE it doesn't mean this is the real thing. After all, OBE can be only type of dream where I feel that it is not dream and at the same time that it is also not this world(waking reality).

There's something i've read about quantum mechanics your words reminded me of;
I've read from Reliable source that Light when it travels to the 'destination' in the plant. In some plants the light income is very low so they have to make efficient use of Light. And they do this using aspects of quantum superposition. which about says that a single photon travels in every possible direction that it can go to. But it chooses only one. Therefore, we can't really measure it's path. logically speaking, it can be at every single possible option. Yet, in plants, the photon travels through a 'sort of maze in the cell' using only the most efficient route. And choose the exact most efficient way to the chloroplasts. Even though it could have gone a million other ways. Edit; I believe physicists actually argue that all positions are used in a parallel dimension. The interesting continuation of this theory is that there is a most efficient path that light prefers to travel in this dimension.

Moral of the story? QM adds a lot of weirdness to the physical world. And makes it a lot more interesting. I think non-locality even exerts it's effect across time.

Either way, to answer ur quastion I never believed the universe really is infinite. I'm not a proponent of that theory. In fact, I would argue against it. I've played with the idea that theres's maybe infinite possibilities, but within the law of the universe. Perhaps we're in a multiverse with an infinite amount of choices therefore outcomes. I consider that this literally happens. With possibly very strange unpredictable happenings. Perhaps this is why the universe is expanding. But to expand on ur excellent point, what is not happening is that I am going into the past and destroying the earth before it made humans. Infinity would state that this can happen. I do not believe it can happen because then we would not be having this conversation. Therefore, it's easy to conclude that it's not literally infinite. But it's weird. I woulden't be suprised if I could create a universe that is made of a chain of little me's, then it becomes not a matter of infinity or eternity. It becomes a matter of how much I and my Little I' consciousnesss can endure in creating novelty through time.

There's also like emotions and time. Some things just aren't happening due to sheer willpower. (given, say that things are dreamlike) .. this post iss probbly as senseless as my previous post.