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      Political dream, possibly precognitive

      I am posting this mainly to get a timestamp.

      I had a dream, I think on very early morning on Christmas or close to that date in which:

      1. A person said "I have a concern for all of the peoples of the United States."
      2. That person became president and was evil.

      The night prior to the dream, I had some darker introjected feelings or thoughts. I was right eye dominant.
      At the end of this dream, I had some exploding head syndrome feelings (tingling in my brain), and then I was left eye dominant, which remained for a while afterwards. This pattern is common for my more intense dreams. I tend to be slightly dyslexic and somewhat slower in my ability to read when I am left eye dominant. Also, I am more emotionally connected to those I love when I am left eye dominant.

      I rarely have political dreams. I am not highly political or a radical. I am registered as an independent, and I often vote when given the opportunity. I am right of center socially, left of center economically, and generally anti-interventionist but not a committed pacifist. Last spring however, I had dreams about nasty Islamic individuals. I asked who it was. I saw one word in white, against a black background "Eredegen." Then I searched google and learned about Erdoğan, the President of Turkey. Weird.

      Occasionally I have precognitive dreams. I am completely sure that is what they are. They are usually about mundane details which take place nearby in time to something that is significant to me or has high emotion.

      Lastly, I have never done drugs and am not on any prescribed substances. Nor do I drink or smoke.
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      This morning, at about 7 AM I had another political dream. I had the same pattern of darker feelings and right eye dominance, which were replaced by positive, anger-free feelings and left eye dominance after the dream.

      Either you should write my posts off as complete nonsense, or as way in the future and unlikely to be relevant to the next election. I'm posting this so that any readers of my first post can hopefully start speculating less. I think at this point nearly all of you will write me off completely with respect to precognitive ability. Please do, if that is your inclination. There are many internet prophecy sites out there with similar content. No way they can all be true.

      1. During an exploding head syndrome at the end of a dream, I decided to do side-to-side eye movements, as I mentioned in a previous post in the General portion of this forum.

      2. I had the following thoughts:

      A. The northern states will succeed

      B. There will be a war

      C. Many people will die.

      3. I then asked. What country should we move to? (to escape this). The head tingling stopped and it was all over.
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      Maybe the western states will secede.

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      Maybe was right, sort of

      Quote Originally Posted by kadie View Post
      Maybe the western states will secede.
      New York, New Jersey and other Northeastern states form coronavirus working group to decide when to ease restrictions

      It seems that there is a dispute in authority between the president and the states. This is not succession per se, but more like succession-lite. Before the civil war "nullification" was a thing where states would openly defy the federal government and see if they could get away with it. This power struggle between the president and the coronavirus working group is akin to the pre-civil war nullification struggle.

      I had another exploding-head-syndrome dream last night / this morning. In it I was viewing IRS forms for different people, one after the other. It was very intense as the dream was strong and vivid and the forms just kept coming one after the other in split second views with one form replacing another. The forms were each for a different person; a vast multitude of people and no end in sight. The forms were more simple than a 1040 form. Finally I made myself wake up rather than endure more of this.

      Later I had a dream of a locust-powered lawnmower. It did not have the exploding head syndromes feelings. Like an aquarium with locusts in it moving across a lawn, mowing it slowly as the locusts ate wherever it went. It was robotic.

      Interpretation: The first one refers to divine judgement or the book of life with everyone's name in it. It is reminding me that God is overseeing and judging all people, like the IRS has everyone's name in their system. The second dream is telling me that the present day plague is like a lawnmower or harvester. This is time for God to harvest souls which He created. God is still in control although things appear chaotic.

      As for the "I have a concern" part described in my first posting, this could have been telling me that the president-to-be-elected will be like Nixon. Talking about concerns is something Nixon did on a number of occasions. He said stuff like "they must always have a concern for other people" and "Genuine concern for his fellowman" and "have been concerned with the good of the country" and "desire for peace and progress, not only for ourselves but for all the people of the world" as well as other similar comments that I didn't bother with.

      The "There will be a war" part is harder to explain. I'm not sure.

      In general and in various small ways over these recent years, God has looked out for me and tried to keep me from putting myself in what nowadays would have been a bad position for myself and my family.
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      Quote Originally Posted by onemorehere View Post
      book of life
      Someone who knew multiple people I know just died of the virus. His lungs had previous damage from working with harvested crops. God's salvation is like the IRS giving free money to everyone in their "book". You don't earn it, it is free. Now I understand my previous interpretation was shortsighted, as the meaning was more personal than I thought.

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      Quote Originally Posted by onemorehere View Post
      Someone
      When I woke up from the dream, there was only one name I could sort of remember reading from the IRS forms. It was a longer last name and it started with the same letter as the last name of the person who died. (And it was a longer last name, too.)

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      You mean like this: https://www.dreamviews.com/nightmare...-lockdown.html

      Yeah, I feel pretty bad about having this dream... And I still have dreams like this.
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      lol.. It's a weird dream.... it isn't something to worry about in my opinion. if you could stop whats happening it would of been about you... the thing is I don't really believe in such things but if they were real there would be nothing you can do about it.. btw no name like josh lee head or micheal paul smith were in your dreams were they. lol.. just asking.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Luckykuni View Post
      lol.. It's a weird dream...
      If I dream about things nearby it seems healthier than to dream about things further in the future. If my mentality is "Give us this day our daily bread" than I will have dreams that more adequately prepare me for waking life. This morning I dreamt about my close relative's C-section. I was still anxious and woke up from it, but this is helping me relate to her since the operation is scheduled soon.

      Weirdly, I've noticed that I don't need to remember my dreams for them to help me prepare for what happens daily. Sometimes I've reacted intuitively, doing exactly the right thing, and afterwards realized that a particular dream helped me prepare for the occasion. Nightmares about bad things still seem to be associated with this helpful intuitiveness or serendipity.

      So Lang does not need to feel guilty (not saying he does, this is hypothetical) about not warning others back in October, or even for not stockpiling supplies back then. "Our battle is not against flesh and blood" because it is spiritual. The bulk of the benefit is how it prepared Lang for what is to come. Had he gone all doomsday prophet on us back in October, the main benefit still would have been in helping prepare him for what was to come with greater intuitiveness or serendipity. What about the others? They are being warned in their own dreams, I suppose even if they do not remember. They do not need Lang (or me) as a doomsday prophet. But this is still weird and everything and this forum is an outlet for it.

      Had Lang been America's doomsday prophet since last October, maybe we would be taking these changes as well as Sweden, which actually had a real-live doomsday prophet, and listened to her. She spoke in the doomsday language the Swedes were accustomed to, and she was taken seriously and believed. People prepared themselves spiritually for the coming hard times. Now Swedish officials are less worried about calming an unhappy populace than they otherwise would have been.

      What sorts of things did she say?

      "'You have stolen my dreams"

      "In fact I have many dreams."

      "And yes, we need dreams, we can not live without dreams."

      Granted she was speaking metaphorically in at least some of these sentences, but I speculate she actually had dreams about bad times to come, and was led by them. A study found that 19% of children aged 8 through 16 reported bad climate crisis related dreams. It would only make sense that she was one of them.
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      If I said, that this was going to happen back then, people wouldn't listen anyway. In a way, it feels like that bad dream became reality, and that why I feel bad about it.
      It's like it manifests itself. I know that we react negatively to a particular situation, we shift to a negative lifeline, metaphorically speaking but, I still wonder if I heard something before I went to bed that night. Maybe, that was what lead to this dream? Perhaps, I absorbed something before I went to bed or something from the news that people missed, besides being negative about something? When did this really start? Maybe it was in the news before the official reports about something going on?
      The bulk of the dream its self had something to do with Reality Shifting, Quantum physics, and part of other dreams that I had before that. However, I know that dreams are only dreams that are only in our minds. We can't shift to an alt, like that in real life. I hope not. Either way, it feels like a hell of a fluke to me. It still feels weird.

      All I can say now is, stay safe. We will get through this...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      I feel bad about it.
      There is a simple guideline for whether or not you have done wrong by accepting a dream character, or participating in a dream:

      1. Does the dream come from a source that does good to those who have done bad to it (or would do good, if it had the opportunity)? If so, your dream or dream character is divine in character, and is from God or is God, or is a person or angel in communion with God. You should not feel guilty, unless you have been bad to the benevolent characters in your dream and returned evil for their good.

      2. Instead, is your dream more "fair"? Does it return good for good and evil for evil? If so, your dream or dream character is human in character. It is neither terribly good nor terribly bad, but is manageable on your part.

      3. Instead, is your dream the opposite of #1? Does your dream reflect a world where good is returned with evil, and evil brings good? Or eventually wins? If so you, dream or dream character is diabolical in character, and is not in communion with God. Depending on circumstances, it could overwhelm you and violate your boundaries. You ought to feel guilty if you have participated in such a dream. Allowing this dream to influence you (and by extension, those connected with you) makes the world a worse place.

      What happens if you don't sleep during the time a dream of the sort that reflects mutual connections with others would come otherwise? You get just a ringing in your ears from the brain activity you can't process well. If you are able to process it, you may get instead of ear-ringing, an ear-worm or introjected thoughts. At the far end of the spectrum, you are schizophrenic-- and in that case you get a prophetic voice. The use of ear ringing to warn for danger is here: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...agedy-sherpas/

      I speculate that Edgar Allen Poe's poem about "bells, bells, bells" ( https://poets.org/poem/bells ) is discussing different forms of ear-ringing, depending on exactly what spirit one is tuning into. Due to the relationship between ear ringing (and here I exclude that caused by hearing damage), Poe's categorization of different origins of tinnitus can also be used to classify dreams.

      The astrological and marital bells are gentle while the alarm bells correspond to what the sherpa was concerned about in the National Geographic article that I linked to. Had the sherpa been asleep while the message came, I speculate that it would have been a "guardian angel" type precognitive dream.

      But on the other hand the diabolical bells at the end of the poem are ones that you definitely don't want manifesting as either a dream or a schizophrenic type voice.

      Dreams in centuries past were classified by some as being either natural due typical human senses and reasoning, naturally precognitive due to the influence of the stars, or supernatural either from good or evil entities. The silver bells are likely the form of ear-ringing corresponding to the "naturally precognitive" precognition." Because most people see the same stars, they cause a shared consciousness effect--the details of which I do not understand. I strongly suspect media can do the same thing, but because long ago they didn't have mass media (excepting maybe religious liturgies) they just attributed this affect to the stars alone. Today maybe one would call it the zeitgeist.

      Many on this forum appear to be concerned with mutual dreaming--that corresponds to the marital-related tinnitus depicted in the poem. I have personally noticed the marital ear-ringing along with an uncanny marital intuitiveness and shared dreams. The poem is not complete correct because other close relationships can also cause similar effects. I have also had shared dreams of this character.

      As for "When did this really start?"--one must especially blame an evil intent in people who were negligent. And yes, nearly all of the English speaking world shares in this guilt. This requires some extended explanation:

      Having been in China in the past, I noticed a great degree of repressed Confucianism, especially with respect to state policies regarding birth control. A variety of Chinese seem to enjoy asking Americans how many children they will have, as if they are fantasizing about it themselves--they would love to have a big family and are vicariously imagining how great it would be. In Confucianism, patriarchal type family values are paramount, and so in their culture, birth control is a serious sin. People who feel guilty or ashamed tend to self-punish. One example of this is how they pollute their cities' air, and have unresolved challenges about food and water. In general letting this get out of control can be explained as a desire for self-harm similar to having bad air, food, and water.

      Do you and I commune with this guilt? Yes! we do... when we gain the advantage of buying things that are cheaper because they are "Made in China." Their state policies ensure that more money will be spent making things than rearing children--as a result they are more competitive than many other lands that must charge more because they have more mouths to feed and a proportionately smaller workforce that is not involved in childcare and education. If the things are made poorly (not all are)--it could have something to do with the populace feeling guilty or ashamed instead of empowered in their jobs. Maybe you've heard of the studies about people who worked on the Apollo missions? That they were found to have done the best work in their lives--with the spin-off technologies they developed still being significant to day? Think of how many Chinese are stuck in the opposite picture, where they don't believe in what they are doing, feel dis-empowered, and then quality suffers. On top of all of this, the combination of the state birth control policies along with urbanization have reduced the growth of intelligence of the Chinese people, see https://www.researchgate.net/profile...y-in-China.pdf for more on this. Although the Chinese as a whole are still getting more intelligent all the time, the growth is less than it otherwise would have been. As modern life increasingly places demands on people's intelligence, it is possible that this growth in intelligence is overall insufficient-- the demand may outpace the supply, to borrow and metaphorically apply a concept from economics.

      So in short, my ability to buy inexpensive products is linked to negative effects on Chinese motivation and intelligence. Would better Chinese motivation and intelligence have prevented this from getting out of control? It seems likely enough.

      If I am not doing well, spiritually, I get an impulse to withdraw at certain times--and if I resist the impulse I will find myself in a position to prevent something bad from happening. This is a generalization and obviously not true in every circumstance, but like with marital ear-ringing, I have personally found that life goes much smoother if I take it seriously and react appropriately.

      Could it have been prevented? Well, when SARS came out, the WHO staff had been hyper-vigilant in monitoring foreign doctors' online communications; otherwise it seems that it could have escalated into something like this. At some level maybe they were intuitive in understanding that they needed to be the "quality control" with respect to medical care in other countries.

      Your dream could have been of the general shared consciousnesses that anticipated the future, or it could have been of the sort corresponding to the "alarum bells" section of The Bells. On the other hand, was it diabolical in character? Did your dream appear to be flaunting this, happy that the world was broken? If so yes, you should feel guilty for not resisting the dream during the time it happened, and afterwards. Good ways for resisting include:

      1. pressing all available angles at the dream characters to drive for the truth--if they explode in anger and go away, that means you are winning
      2. telling them off in a not nice way; it helps to have a basis for your argument
      3. upon waking, sing good songs, maybe for an hour or two if needed
      4. upon waking, refute and contest introjected thoughts which may be linked to the dream.

      You can tell that resisting the dream is working when you get just ear ringing instead of dream-related introjects, and if the style of dream that you resisted does not re-occur in future nights.

      If the dream was diabolical and you participated in it, you may have made the world around you worse one way or another, but as you are not a doctor or government official in Wuhan, that doesn't mean that had you resisted it, the disease outbreak would have been prevented.
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      Were you ever a member of Dream Moods at one point? You sound like someone that used to post stuff like this.
      BTW, I lost a family member from COVID 19. : https://www.dreamviews.com/lounge/11...ml#post2236661
      Now, you see why I'm a little upset. I lost someone.
      I recommend that you don't blend the line between what is a dream and what is reality. Know the difference between the two.
      I did hear that there are reports of the virus since November of last year. The dream's date that I had it was 10/4/2019. Like I said before, I thought that this was a regular nightmare. It doesn't really mean that I predicted anything. Whether or not a higher power was involved, we may never really know. Personally, think it is not what you think it is.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      Were you ever a member of Dream Moods at one point?
      Never a member; occasionally read it for help interpreting dreams.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      I lost a family member
      I didn't understand, did I.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      don't blend the line between what is a dream and what is reality
      Some ways to help separate them more:

      1. Not go to bed without singing or praying to fill one's mind
      2. Not linger in bed, or in the dark when waking up
      3. Occupy one's mind with waking life things, and make an effort not to think of dreams until well after waking life is well established.
      4. Getting enough sleep, that is restful enough, so that whatever it is that is giving you a dream does not attempt to bother you in waking life; generally dream characters are incompetent at managing adult waking life.
      5. Avoid socializing with people who don't get enough restful sleep.

      I don't always follow these, but especially try to when it becomes a problem.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      The dream's date that I had it was 10/4/2019.
      Patient zero was infected on November 17th. Maybe he was infected by someone who was asymptomatic, though, and so it could have stretched earlier. Too soon to say whether earlier October is plausible. One thing many people do in the fall is flu shots. That gets you thinking about sickness.

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      Dream Moods is notorious for giving you the wrong information. Take what you read or what you watch on youtube or where ever about dreams and sleep research with a grain of salt.

      Where did you get that list from?

      You know that this thread can be perceived as board lined delusional to the rest of the world, right? But, whatever. (IMO)
      What do you really think the reason why we have these dreams?
      Let's say: I had a dream about the giant bugs stinging me and then a few months later, there was a news story about killer hornets in the US. Sure, one would think that I was Precognitive, Right? But, who would say that they were already here and we are now in the panic mode because of the virus? Would that really consider precognitive or attention-seeking? I mean, you believe what you believe, don't anyone stop you but, we (both) have to see both sides of things here too.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      Where did you get that list from?
      The one evaluating dream sources or characters? I applied it from a generalized rubric for judging character in general from the 16th century, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't in use earlier in history. The one with Poe? That the poem refers to tinnitus, and especially Poe's own tinnitus is fairly common interpretation, think I heard about that interpretation from high school. The classifications of tinnitus come from my own experience and best judgement. I acknowledge it is incomplete; especially as there are "marital bells" type connections which can develop in non-marital situations. If you count the number of times the word "bells" occurs you may see why Poe liked the poem as it was and wouldn't have added a section on "business partner bells" or "identical twin brother bells" as it would have messed up the poem.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      You know that this thread can be perceived as board lined delusional to the rest of the world, right?
      That argument only applies to those who use the collective subjective as a framework of authority. It applies to the politically rather than ethically minded.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      What do you really think the reason why we have these dreams?
      I've wrestled with is, and it seems the fact we let them happen is part of it. People who don't want them can often enough "turn it off" so to speak; and at times I have. Not that I'm proud of it, though. All it takes is a small amount of alcohol, sleep deprivation, or personal wrongdoing during waking life, and the quantity of useful dreams and my ability to interpret them goes down the tubes.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      one would think that I was Precognitive, Right?
      (I had a dream the night I responded to you first (I think) involving a spider and a scorpion fighting in the space between my outer and inner windows. The spider won. I had gone to bed with a pressing "why" question on my mind unrelated to this and the dream symbolized the answer. I was at peace afterwards because my question had been answered. I understood that all was well in the world and that good wins.)

      Not all sources of dreams are equally benevolent or helpful. In general I advise you to "try" to dream about things that matter the next day. If you can do that successfully for awhile and the source of the dream appears to be divine or at least human, then maybe you should attempt to develop the skills to judge longer-term precognitive dreams better. Or maybe it won't go well and you will need to shut it all down. Because in the end, good wins and not evil, no matter how awesomely precognitive it is.

      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      we (both) have to see both sides of things here too.
      If you really want to "see both sides" I encourage you to read a history of philosophy text and then try to apply it in real life. For example, can you tell which European philosophies various school subjects use for their thought patterns? Then, after developing different ways of seeing things, develop a singular monist and evaluative perspective over all the thought patterns.

      The sort of skepticism I understand you are using is a tool I use--when it is needed by the appropriate reasoning pattern for the problem I am solving. Using it on my own dreams is inappropriate--but using it on political or unsolicited life advice is certainly appropriate. So you are not wrong to use it on me, but I would be wrong to use it on my own dream (in the National Geographic article the sherpa likewise notes how he has learned not to ignore the ear ringing--and is vindicated in the article as taking heed saved his life).

      Lastly, the real reason I came back to the thread is that from the various news reports tracing back "patient zero" in various countries it seems plausible that the virus was already spread enough in Wuhan to infect the 2019 Military World Games, which was in October. Either that or a bunch of businessmen happened to travel from Wuhan to at least three faraway countries early on.
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      Quote Originally Posted by onemorehere View Post
      Lastly, the real reason I came back to the thread is that from the various news reports tracing back "patient zero" in various countries it seems plausible that the virus was already spread enough in Wuhan to infect the 2019 Military World Games, which was in October. Either that or a bunch of businessmen happened to travel from Wuhan to at least three faraway countries early on.
      Oh crap!! You mean this?: https://www.clickondetroit.com/healt...ing-difficult/
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      It seems uncanny that this comic from last fall associates flu shots and bats:
      https://xkcd.com/2238/

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      Yeah, I don't know, I just wish this was over.

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      Google search trends is used by some medical people to track the seasonal flu. THe number of searches for flu-symptoms related terms increases the more people get sick every year.

      Could the same tactic work for precognitive dreams? Searching for "nightmare" doesn't work well because of all the Halloween related interest in the topic. Same with bats.

      But a generalized search for "bad dream" gives interesting feedback:
      https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...&q=bad%20dream

      Notice the trend from starting in May 2019 to the present.

      I also looked for "bat flu"--and while there is a trend starting from a low of zero in July 2019, the history before that seems pretty random. But for some reason people were concerned about pangolin flu back in February 2017. https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...pangolin%20flu I can't explain that.
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      Pangolins flu... Pangolins, you mean the mammals that eat ants?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      you mean the mammals that eat ants?
      Yes. It is my understanding that an close look at the coronavirus DNA suggests it has a history of infecting bats and pangolins. One other researcher suggested canines as an intermediary between bats and people. It is obviously speculative, even for the professionals who study such things. They look for viral proteins which appear to match the known lung proteins in various mammals.

      In particular, bats are reportedly not sold at the Wuhan wet market, but pangolins are and have been traditionally consumed by the Chinese. So maybe a bat infected a pangolin, which infected a person.

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      Next thing they are going to say that the Pangolins ate a bio modified Ant Colony, right? At this point, I would not be surprised at anything.
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