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      A person going through a regular spiritual awakening will actually transcend, often without knowing it.
      They will transcend just the same way I have, and as Sageous has. Just, less direct because the focus is on other things. (energy, spirit, etc)

      For me, transcendence was the START of my spiritual awakening. For others, it's the end-goal. And for others, they don't pay any attention to goal. Any of these options are completely fine. So long as we see each other as equals.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RealityShifter View Post
      I read through the thread from the link he provided about "transcendence", but what I read sounded really confusing to me....If you can not remember the event, how do you know it was "transcendent"?

      The awakening I'm publishing here is about spiritual awakening, and it differs mainly from being an unforgettable experience. No matter how hard you try to forget it, you can not.
      That is an excellent question, and one worth answering in spite of all this, especially because you took the time to look at that thread:

      It isn't that you can't remember a transcendental experience; mine, for instance, are among the most powerful memories I possess. No, it is that a transcendent moment's content ranges beyond your (or any human's) ability to describe it. Metaphors -- the things we use to describe things -- do not exist for what happens in a transcendental experience, so, even though the person who has them remembers them very well, even perfectly, describing them (even to himself) is very difficult and the resulting description almost always diminishes the actual experience (or gets further reduced if the person chooses to attach, say, existing religious metaphor or maybe images from transcendence-themed movies like The Matrix or Lucy to describe what happened). This is why you will hear folks who've had them say things like "It was indescribable," or "You had to be there." And, of course, this same thing happens with spiritual awakenings, which are transcendental events.

      So yes, transcendental experiences are extremely memorable, just almost literally impossible to describe. Now here's a twist: if you have one of these experiences while lucid (or in an OBE, or AP) you will remember them well, but if you have one during a NLD, you probably won't remember them at all,because your unconscious discards them quickly because it has no tools to remember them at all... so we could all be having transcendental experiences every night, and are simply not remembering them.

      I'm not sure if this lines up with what I wrote years ago, as my view on this is evolving daily, but hopefully it will help clear things up a bit.

      I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago.
      If this is true, then why is a concept (and experience) so fundamental to spiritualism as transcendence so alien to you? That might be something to think about, some day, and I honestly hope that you do.
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      Something I said conflicts with something Sageous just said.

      I said that often people going through a spiritual awakening won't even know they are transcending.
      Sageous says transcendental experiences are very memorable.

      I just wanna clear up the difference.

      In a classic spiritual awakening, you slowly move towards the "goal" (often without even a goal in mind). The transcendence basically happens really slowly.
      With transcendental events, they are very clear and indeed memorable, indescribable events which you simply cannot miss. One taking this route of practice, the events become more and more frequent over time. And in my opinion, become more and more normal.
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      Double post - connection fart

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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      A person going through a regular spiritual awakening will actually transcend, often without knowing it.
      They will transcend just the same way I have, and as Sageous has. Just, less direct because the focus is on other things. (energy, spirit, etc)

      For me, transcendence was the START of my spiritual awakening. For others, it's the end-goal. And for others, they don't pay any attention to goal. Any of these options are completely fine. So long as we see each other as equals.
      The more I read your comments, the more I understand that the misunderstanding in this topic is due to the fact that we believe in different religions and have different understandings about the world.

      My aunt is like you. Read a lot of books and visit many communes. She even went to the Indian mountains with some famous guru. All were dressed in white robes and meditated all day and night. They gathered in circles and sang some Indian songs. She always telling me that I had to be one with God and so on.

      It seems one more misunderstanding arise.
      I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago.
      I meant this in terms of Lucid dreaming and OBE, not as a human-spiritual being.

      As an example of transcendent experience, I can give you this:
      Quote Originally Posted by RealityShifter View Post
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      It was an ordinary night and I was going to bed at my ordinary time 3am. Little before fall asleep I looked at the clock, it was 3.05am. Suddenly I opened my eyes in dark unknown place, before me appeared big black gate. It was made from strange metal and had weird drawings and Hieroglyphs all over it. The size of the gate was around 4 meters in width and 3 meters in height. All around me was dark and silently. All of sudden a voice like thunder said 'choose to go back and forget everything you saw until now( behind me appeared a dark lonely path that was leading to nothingness) or go forward and learn the truth'. I looked at the dark path and I thought that everything can over just like that, but truth was that I always wanted to know more about this world and beyond. I looked back at gate and put my hands on each side of the gate and push with all my might. The gate opened with metallic sound and from it a very bright light comes out. The feeling was awesome. I was floating in white warm light. For a moment I understand everything. I woke up in my bed and looked at the clock, only 15 minutes had passed.
      When I passed through the gateway it was indescribable and "You had to be there." feeling.
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      Well actually I take the stance that there is some level of truth behind every religion and spiritual practice, and that they are all connected.
      And I'm not the only one that sees the connection between all the different practices.


      And yeah, about the gateway experience. I've had indescribable experiences along that direction too.
      I will admit, transcendence may have played a part in my crazy-ass experience, and possibly yours too. But because of the nature of the experience, our attention is drawn away from the transcendence itself, and into the appearances of the experience.

      For example, in my crazy experience, I transcended my ego. But as far as I was concerned, I was going through dimensions and talking to God and a bunch of other super-cool spiritual stuff. Transcendence was the last thing on my mind. Doesn't change the fact that transcendence was a part of the experience.

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      Without trying to ruin it, in the closest way I can describe it is:

      When I get through the gate there was a bright light and I was floating in it. Everything happen so fast I begin to travel with amazing speed. I started to see other stars but from near as if I was to our sun. Then I went into something like a black hole, the speed was increasing, I began to see other solar systems, galaxies, and there was so much information flowing directly into my mind. It was so much that it seemed to change my spirit from within. It was an amazing experience. Then I went into another black hole and the speed became so fast I lost consciousness. I woke up in bed, only 15 minutes had passed since I was asleep.
      The strangest thing was the feeling that I was inside for more than a several thousand of years.
      The Gateway looked similar to this: click on them for bigger
      the_gate_of_truth_fma_by_draven686.jpg or this:Gate.jpg
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      Oh yeah that's cool as hell.

      I've had many experiences of time-dilation, but in my crazy-ass experience that landed me in mental hospital, I almost completely lost sense of time. I came back to my body every now and then just to remind myself where I am and who I am and when I am (which was not easy), but while I was out of my body, it felt like any amount of time could've passed. Minutes? Days? Millenia? I honestly couldn't say.

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      Question

      I have a fast question. In which forum or sub forum do I put a new method of induction that I invented in the last year?

      This method is not just a technique for reaching a DILD or a WILD, but an entirely new kind. His name is VILND (I'm still trying to figure out the exact name). If DILD has a difficulty code green, WILD has difficulty yellow and a VILD is red, then this must be a black difficulty. Only for advanced dreamers in WILD and VILD. Of course, I have at least another week to assemble it completely.

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      Attaining Lucidity -> Induction Techniques
      https://www.dreamviews.com/induction-techniques/

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      The other night I found myself on a strange planet, looking up into a sky, not this earth, thick with stars and full-fledged galaxies. Orbs. Sombrero. Esc. Huge variety. Vivid. It was the center of supercluster, I suppose.

      Wow! Dream and see the multiverse. Ok.
      "I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it.”

      Albert Einstein

      "http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.jpg"

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      Wow what a fascinating thread, Shame I didn't was i noticed it earlier before authour was booted.
      I have been speaking english my whole life, and i don't feel like i can communicate properly using this language,
      it just doesnt sit well on the tounge with me. this has too do with something too what Slash was talking
      About humans coding, and DNA, English too me is like a Easter Bunny language
      its very soft, Bulgarian too me is more like Dragon language, instead of writing one thing and apologizing
      30 times afterward you would only speak straight from the heart, it makes bulgarians very strong of heart.
      Alot of European kulture and languages are not similar too English, the letters are all different, it is
      why even if i can read and write in english, I never feel I could properly communicate my truest thoughts.

      Anyway after reading this thread i felt i need too write long rant.
      start rant
      " First Post Author (will call RS) says he has been struggling too finally post it took alot of courage from his
      part. After a few months he asks if anybodys has any suggestions or comments if. and the first long comment
      posted Basically says its not interesting enough too comment on a bit defensive and annoyed , while RS is only
      looking for some positive encouragement and obviously is struggling too find help with his deepest fears and
      ambitions.

      Come on Gateways isn't this basic dreaming symbol,
      https://www.gotquestions.org/twelve-...evelation.html
      In the bible there are twelve gateways, each named after a different tribe,
      A thousand thanks by the way I finally understand why I have been dreaming about Dan half my life. Apparently
      one of the gates, which i probably have been using.
      Of course different religions will tell you different number of gates or names of gates.
      What is interesting is in book off Ezekiel there are references too at least one gateway closing, or changing somehow.
      Would be interesting too know more. After 1000 reads nobody knows about the
      gateways? Although Slash recognized the reference later.
      I would also like too have known if RS has tried returning too gate and if it was successfull or maybe he
      wasn't let in.
      In the Bible it does say they are made off pearl white so
      in post nr. 65 when refering too white crystal room this could be part of the gateway, (so he already
      replied too previous question) or inside the actual gateway, so possibly he hasn't actually made it all the way
      inside the gateway but is struggling too take the final steps.

      In Tibetan Dream Yoga of course is also mention of Gateways. Here there are only 4 gateways 'attention' 'the gateway of
      knowledge' 'the gateway of power' 'night dreaming'
      The Four Gateways of Dreaming with Lama Somananda Tantrapa, Tulku, by Julia Griffin

      Greek dream Oniero also entered the world of humans through Gateways.

      In post nr. 18 RS says he has mislabeled thread and should read journey and not next level.
      He has begun a journey too a greater understanding.

      In post nr. 60+71 Long time member says 'what next level'? What are you mocking that he is not as enlightened as you?
      In a video game there are usually about 30 levels, who says he didn't reach next level and ready too work on
      getting too next?

      In post nr. RS says he is at a gate obviously struggling with some kind of fear, or demon (real or imaginery)

      In response long time member argues that he is still not transcendent and fear shouldn't bother him, as if his fears or demons are not real?
      How many posts have Sensei written about battling his own demons (real or imaginery), before mastering Lucidity?
      Maybe some links too Sensei personal experiences would have been more useful?

      In post nr. 54 RS explains that he had a traumatic experience in a parallel world (real or imaginery) he still feels
      there screams at night.

      In post nr. 75 long time member says he doesnt feel there are OBE s and again is belittling RS's experiences.

      I'm sorry but wasn't this posted in Deep Dreaming/Beyond Dreaming where the rules state that sceptisism is'nt the idea?
      but too encourage other member??"

      In conclusion why are certain members allowed to be belittling and sceptical
      in a room where the rules clearly state otherwise and another be banned whilst in a room that allows disscussion?"

      Alright end rant, if i get booted for speaking against 'masters' At least i have spoken from my heart.
      I would really like too hear how RS's journey continues maybe he only deserves a temporary ban? Even prisoners get time
      too fit the crime, not forever.

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      Okay, as the "long-time member" you seem not interested in naming but very interested in misunderstanding, I feel a need to make a couple of defensive statements:

      Quote Originally Posted by oneironautics View Post
      " First Post Author (will call RS) says he has been struggling too finally post it took alot of courage from his
      part. After a few months he asks if anybodys has any suggestions or comments if. and the first long comment
      posted Basically says its not interesting enough too comment on a bit defensive and annoyed , while RS is only
      looking for some positive encouragement and obviously is struggling too find help with his deepest fears and
      ambitions.
      No, I basically did not say that. In fact, I didn't say anything like that at all.

      I was sincerely asking what RS was looking for -- and he in turn went on the attack; repeatedly. RS was never clear about what his next step or journey was, and any time we asked for explanations, he basically told us we were too inexperienced or naive to understand any explanation he could offer -- who exactly was insulting who here? Also, when he finally did offer his big reveal, I felt I was being very polite by not listing the assorted movies whose imagery his words remarkably resembled (i.e., Lucy, the Matrix, Highlander, etc); I gave him the benefit of the doubt, which is only fair, and yet was still personally berated and insulted in almost every post RS made.

      In post nr. 60+71 Long time member says 'what next level'? What are you mocking that he is not as enlightened as you?
      In a video game there are usually about 30 levels, who says he didn't reach next level and ready too work on
      getting too next?
      I was not mocking RS, ever, even once. I try not to ever mock people (though I do occasionally get condescending, which is not good either), but was especially careful on this thread, given RS's apparent volatility. That you thought I was mocking him seems a bit odd to me.

      In post nr. 75 long time member says he doesnt feel there are OBE s and again is belittling RS's experiences.
      No, I was expressing my opinion of OBE's, and nothing more (I have never said OBE's don't exist, BTW). Am I not allowed to have an opinion? There was no "belittling" going on. At all.

      I'm sorry but wasn't this posted in Deep Dreaming/Beyond Dreaming where the rules state that sceptisism is'nt the idea?
      but too encourage other member??"
      No. It was not posted in Deep Dreaming, and Beyond Dreaming has no problem with skepticism, debate and disagreement.

      In conclusion why are certain members allowed to be belittling and sceptical
      in a room where the rules clearly state otherwise and another be banned whilst in a room that allows disscussion?"
      I highly recommend, Oneironautics, that you reread this thread, and try to take note of the number of times Reality Shifter belittled, berated, insulted, and generally attacked us, repeatedly and often quite personally (here and on other threads). That you failed to notice his attitude is puzzling at best. And again, RS was not in a room that prohibited debate.

      Alright end rant, if i get booted for speaking against 'masters' At least i have spoken from my heart.
      I would really like too hear how RS's journey continues maybe he only deserves a temporary ban? Even prisoners get time
      too fit the crime, not forever.
      As the one of the "masters" you seem to be referring to, you can rest assured that RS did not get banned because of his interchanges with me. This thread wound down long before he was booted. Please don't blame me for what happened to RS; I truly had absolutely nothing to do with it; RS was not banned for speaking against me, and I never requested his banning. Also, I have never made any claim to be a master (of anything), though I think you will find that RS did make such claims about himself quite often. I am again curious about how you came to think these things...

      I also sincerely hope that your post was made completely of your own volition, and not as a result of a conversation with RS on another site (or as a result of RS himself borrowing your ID and that this is actually him speaking, and not you -- which I believe is the sort of thing he may have already attempted doing, and seems a more likely reason for getting banned). I find it truly stunning that you drew the conclusions that you did, and only drew them now, even though the last post of this thread was made months ago, and long before RS was banned.

      I have no idea, indeed, how I managed to be pulled into this entire mess in the first place, but blaming me for any of it is fairly disingenuous, I think, and most definitely incorrect. I hope, if you were sincere in your rant, that you will consider my point of view, and take a second look at the way RS treated people who were trying to work with him (here and on other threads)... and no, I don't think there was a misunderstanding due to any problems RS had with English; he seemed to be doing just fine, when it suited him.

      And, of course, I say all this with respect, Oneironautics, I am merely defending myself, and am in no way attacking you... and no, you won't get banned for speaking your opinion; it takes a bit more than that, I think.
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      I wanna chime in quick in hopes of dissipating any tensions. I haven't read this tread at all and hope to do so when I get the time as it might offer me some insight. At the moment of of this reply, I've only read Sageous' last post. I was surprised to see the original author of the thread. I just want to clear up something I know. From what I gather RealityShifter was banned for attempted spreading of malware via PMs as well as possible spam accounts or account thefts. Granted I don't know the whole story, maybe an admin can fill us in why exactly. Anyway, I don't think anyone would get banned for speaking openly. It has more to do with their actions and behavior towards other members.

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      HAHA, no I always speak for myself, I haven't been trolled, (serious question, do you Think we have the same energy?) the only reason I commented here now was that i only read it now.

      I thought RS pulled up alot of interesting topics; gateways, entitys, fears etc.
      But the only response I heard from Sageous was that he wasn't truly enlightened or hadn't been awakened properly. while yes that was the titel, It nevered appeared too me his mission. Unfortunately I found some of your comments, condescending or maybe misunderstood as mocking like ' What next level' I personally believe there are alot of levels each human is capable of reaching, and perhaps he did reach a new level of understanding.
      I did read the thread several times as i found it interesting, I believe RS has a difficult time communicating which is probably linked with his asthma, and I think its a shame he was banned (I know it was for something else) because he could have recieved alot more guidance then he did.
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      I don't see any point in dragging this out so long after it happened.

      RS is a story about someone who for whatever reasons couldn't play nice with others... And while I found some posts highly entertaining, I can't say I personally found them thought provoking or educational in any way they seemed to attempt. That is unless it was meant to be a satire of insecurity and overcompensation.

      I disagree that sageous was out of line. Questions framed as anything but naive admiration were repeatedly met with anger, insult, dismissal or empty grandiose claims. If this is about being from Bulgaria then it's a cultural incompatibility not a language barrier.

      If RS truly wanted to be a part of this community, but couldn't get it to work, and his frustration led to what later happened. Then in a way I do feel sorry for him. But that's life.
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      I'm not speaking for RS, I speak for myself, I'm not commenting on RS because he already got booted and hes not here too defend himself. Bulgarian, and alot of other European languages sound alot harsher then English so I Think it was a Culture difference. For years I have not been able too understand something about a Gateway and after Reading his personal experiences, and darkest fears, I was able too understand. So for that I am forever grateful.

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      oneironautics, I don't want to take sides but after glancing through the thread I did notice some of RealityShifter's signature tendencies surface here too. To me the following quote screams god complex with neon lights.

      Quote Originally Posted by RealityShifter View Post
      At last I found my mission: to protect life in its entirety. I am finally ready to fully awaken! When I do that, I will come to visit you.(be prepared for me with some milk, the gods love milk.)
      Anyway, that aside it does seem like he just wanted an audience at first and was disapproving towards discussions saying not to go off-topic. He wanted to post his stories as if a series building interest and suspense. However, he did change his tune a bit later when this was brought to attention. Though he started to show his god complex pretty soon too. I won't say Sageous was right or wrong, but he was trying to help and he was invited to join the thread by RealityShifter himself after Sageous left. Could Sageous have responded differently? Sure, but Sageous is human too. It didn't help that RealityShifter started pointing fingers saying no one else is providing "solid evidence" (his words) to what they were saying while proclaiming his dreams, visions, or Out of Body experiences as absolute evidence and fact. It's contradicting how he treats his experiences here as absolute "solid evidence" but was so quick to tell me my shared dreaming experiences didn't happen and that I had no proof in the Shared Dream Experiment thread over and over declaring what I experienced was true or not. It seems to be a recurring theme where he says everything he believes is fact while what others say or experience is illusory. Also at another point he contradicts himself by saying he doesn't have anything more to learn about awakening, transcendence, lucid dreaming, OBE, spirituality etc. So he's back to he wasn't asking for help understanding his experiences... i.e. he just wanted captivated audience? He even joked it was all a lie at one point. Another thing is whenever he reads a post that's not praising him or agreeing with his beliefs he labels them as meaningless or has "no content." ^^'

      I want to touch on his health issues and PTSD. He claims to have PTSD from experiencing his parents and himself from parallel world disappear because of him. It must have been traumatizing, but he shouldn't go around saying other's grief doesn't even compare like he does in another thread. Personally, I have respiratory issues as well as host of other life threatening health issues on top of PTSD from my significant other passing away. Stuff like that and difference in culture or language can't be used as an excuse for lashing out at people or being outright difficult and insensitive.

      I want to acknowledge that RealityShifter did bring up some broader stuff on to the table to talk about, if only he was a bit more open to discussion than be too focused on himself.

      All said and done, from what I know his behavior alone is not what got him banned. It's his malicious actions that goes beyond this thread. I do hope he reflects on it and eventually rejoins.
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      Ok, we normally don't disclose why was someone banned. It's mostly to protect them form humiliation and to give them some privacy.

      But I will make an exception. RealityShifter doesn't deserve you guys discussing his original post, or trying to protect him. He admitted, that he was only posting to get a reaction out of people. Nothing he posted was real, including his age and most of other info he disclosed in his profile. But as he said, he got a good laugh out of what he caused, which was his main purpose.

      But he wasn't banned for that. That would just make him a jerk and nobody else would want to seriously discuss anything with him. He was banned for what he was saying to some members in private messages. Claiming that he got their real addresses, names, phone numbers. That he had visited them in their sleep. He indirectly implied things he did, and he made it very personal. I don't see any other purpose of someone saying things he did, other than to cause pain and anguish to others for his enjoyment. That and other things, with his age being much older than the person he was saying this to, made him a creep who has no place on this forum.

      He also PMed a fake link, which takes a person to a fake website in effort to get their personal information. Just another reminder to be extra careful on the internet. Never ever give anybody your personal info. At least until you get to know the person better and you have a chance to check him or her out independently from other sources.

      I don't want to stop your discussion, if you find the topic interesting. But please leave RS out of this. He wasn't one of us.

      I hope you all know, that you can PM mods or admins with any concerns that you may have. Now or in the future.

      Ok, now back to our regularly scheduled dreaming. : D happy lucids everybody!

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      Yes, some off RS posts are quite obviously, made too provoke, but not all of them. For me it is quite obvious he is struggling with Illusions or Realities, which I Think can be quite common while practicing Lucid Dreaming. In Tibet Yoga we are encouraged too meet even awake Life with the knowledge that we are dreaming, I sometimes find this difficult too accept at and it confuses me.
      But I'm not concerned about what RS was saying, as I said he has already been banned and he is not here too speak for himself.
      What bothered me is when RS stated he had awesome Lucid Dreams
      Sageous replied 'I doubt it'
      In tibetan Yoga we are led too see behind the mask off a thing and feel its energy. Did you honestly Think he never had a Lucid Dream? Now even Gab is saying he was making Everything up, which is quite classical behaviour when having difficulty accepting something. Did you also Believe he never had a Lucid Dream?
      In a Another post Sageous says 'I usually avoid members like you' what label is it you are giving him?
      Now Gab is saying he wasn't 'One of us' I Think this forum is for dreamers? but now i'm not sure ..
      A godcomplex I am finding more and more common, I Think it stems from coming Close too the Life source but not being fully able too accept or connect with it, I often question what is my own Powers or energy, but then I remember it doesn't actually matter we should all be working with the same source, even if its a different levels .

      I'm asking these questions because I am interested in Energy , and how people percieve it in a difficult Environment as the internet, it would obviously be alot easier too know what someone is thinking when standing in front of them but alot of the time we dont have that option.
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      In actuality no injustice had been done to RealityShifter given his malicious actions have come to light. oneironautics, I'm sorry you are having trouble processing what actually happened. You seem insightful and open-minded. I hope you are not off-put by the confusing events. I'll try to clarify things for you.

      It came to light by RealityShifter's own admittance (confession) that everything he posted including his lucid dreams and experiences were fabrications to get reactions out of others. Does that mean he doesn't have lucid dreams? No, he probably had them, but just not the ones he posted according to himself. There is no doubt about RealityShifter's creativity. You don't have to be a seasoned lucid dreamer or be proficient in English to be a good a storyteller. All you need is creativity and motivation to see it through. It's regretful RealitySfifter's motivations were questionable. Could some of Sageous' comments been colored by ever revealing fragments of RealityShifter's character from different parts of the forum? yes, very possible. Some of it may have seemed unfair or presumptions without knowing the whole picture, but having come to light everything was a fabrication on RealityShifter's part it makes sense. If you just want to read fantastical stories that are apparently not backed by actual experiences, there are numerous creative fiction writers on the internet. You know, I was hoping some of his experiences were genuine, but having himself admit otherwise settles it.

      But I'm not concerned about what RS was saying, as I said he has already been banned and he is not here too speak for himself.
      He is not here to speak for himself precisely because of his actions. In case gab was unclear, let me clarify. Claiming to watch people in their sleep and even suggestion of violation is not a morally acceptable behavior especially given his claim of his paranormal capabilities - fabrication or not. It was causing some members emotional distress. This is on top of attempted spreading of malware, gathering personal information, and possible blackmail. He's not "one of us" in the sense that he is not driven by the similar moral or intellectual values.

      I'm only trying to clarify misunderstanding, but If I made things more confusing for you. I apologize. ^^
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      Alright you successfully killed the troll that was REALITY SHIFTER, obviously you have no idea what witch sent him.

      If members are getting scared of Dream stalking, maybe they should be Learning about Dream sheilding.

      Gees, I was really looking forward too discussing Gateways with somebody who knows about them. Honestly not sure I want too be part of "us" at the moment.

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      Hey Oneironautic.

      I am drawn to write on this thread because I felt a certain type of awe at the wisdom you acquired from RS' trolling. And I'd like to listen to you talk about gateways.

      I have to be honest, gateways are absent from my dreams (hopefully, this does not out me as a dreamer who has made no progress moving on to any "next step" whatsoever). I mostly dream about babies and baddies.

      In terms of gates though, I am reminded of some recurring dreams with staircases. These dreams were always powerful and I always recognized them within the dream as being the same staircase though they were different. The staircases had something in common; They had no railing and went impossibly high. I never knew what was up there but it was not clear. What was clear, was the narrowness of the stairs and the high drop.

      In the most recent dream of the sort (though it was many years ago), I recognized such a staircase and felt a calling toward it. To get to it, I had to pass two sets of guarded gateways (here are the gateways!). I led my younger brother around and between the gateways so as to avoid the guards but we were caught before reaching the staircase. Guards surrounded us. At the time, I had a gut feeling this was something like a dream (though the concept of a dream didn't pass my mind), and felt confident regardless of our predicament.

      I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on these gates which for me have only ever appeared along with stairs (from what I can remember). Also, what might it mean to have a lack of such dreams? But mostly, I'm just trying to incite you to share your own experience and knowledge on the subject.

      ---

      In term of fear dreams, I have often dreamed of evil entities (as evil as the one described by RS) who resided (unrestrained mind you) willingly in the depths of whichever crevice or tunnel. I guess they are supposed to represent my fears. What intrigues me however is the way I interpret them is being the embodiment of evil itself. (though I rarely meet these creatures). It's just interesting that they are so pure. I would expect more impure metaphors of fear or evil.

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      I don't know about gateways, but I would not mind to learn. But maybe it would be best to start fresh. You should maybe start a new thread, with a more related name? That way users who know about gates won't just see the title of the thread and assume it's more DV Drama.

      Also, why don't you just tell us what witch sent RS?
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      Thanks for reply Oc. I was/am considering leaving Dreamviews, and amusingly the most effective way of closing 'Dreamviews doorway' would be too be banned by Administration, because this would permanently or temporarily block my IP address not allowing for return in same form. Since I am a software tester I would be very interested in what a Penetration Test or Hacking Test on Dreamviews might reveal, would it really be so easy too find Another members IP address, ? Of course I would prefer too get paid for such an attempt.
      I have also been considering Vaders suggestion of opening a new thread, and will either way get back on too the topic of gateway .

      I doubt the witch speaks English, which is why it sends a troll
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