Thread: The Next Level

Originally Posted by slash112

Good point, good point. Well said.

I concur

Thank goodness, you stopped me from writing a very insulting post towards you by providing me with crucial information about you in post#75, thank you for that.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Forgive me, but I carefully read your last post several times and, aside from some excellent dream imagery and a very well crafted accounting of it all, I just wasn't seeing anything along the lines of an awakening.

It was all very interesting, but do you truly feel that you are a different person now, that you have somehow transcended the being you were before you started that nap, or perhaps that you've discovered the "True You" that's been hiding somewhere deep in your psyche? If so, then why? What in the dream made you feel that way?

Also, but less important:

What in the dream is still with you in waking life? For instance, do you still hear a million voices, and understand all their languages? Do you still see the many forms of energy ranging through your waking-life surroundings?... if not, have you considered that you may have just been dreaming about all that stuff, and not directly experiencing it?"

I feel very different from then, my worldview has completely changed. But where in my post / posts I mentioned something about 'transcending'. Under awakening, I mean my spirit, not my body.

Originally Posted by Sageous

"Enlightenment -- the final "next step" of an awakening -- literally means (to me, anyway) casting the light of your awareness upon the shadows that normally confine it (including the shadows of your own ego and expectations), so why would you even have had an encounter with that evil being, much less be concerned about it being free? Shouldn't the light of your awareness have made such a shadow-borne being meaningless?"

Do you think everything in the universe is just lovely-Dovly, only light and no darkness, you are just too naive. My awareness has nothing to do with this "shadow-borne being". The "Soul Eater" I encounter is very old entity for him time is nothing. He does not feel pity, you can not bargain with him. It is made of a pure form of darkness and rage. That's what I felt when I met him. Of course I understood that because I had unlocked all the forms of Clairvoyance in this form. He was sealed in eternal prison from god knows who, of course he can slip away from it for short amount of time. But I have clue on this, the letters on the door I had encounter them before:

" before me appeared big black gate. It was made from strange metal and had weird drawings and Hieroglyphs all over it"

and

" As I approached, I noticed that they were wearing black mantle with a hood on their heads, like some pilgrims. There were strange signs like hieroglyphs on them. I was just going to talk to them when I noticed that there was only darkness instead of a face."

they were all the same. One thing I certainly knew that if I had him released, he would surely unleash the hell on earth.

Originally Posted by Sageous

"Finally, your last notes had me puzzled: in note 1, you said, "My spirit body was an after image of my physical body," but shouldn't that be the other way around? Did I lose something in translation?"

Originally Posted by Sageous

"This might sound odd, and I know I'm an outlier on this, but to me floating around outside your body seems to indicate an attachment to your physical form, an acknowledgement of its importance, and not an escape from it (sort of the opposite of an "I am not the body" epiphany, I think)"

Where I say that I floated around my body? I have legs and everything, that is why I said that. In fact I was free to go wherever I wanted.

Originally Posted by Sageous

"in note 2 you said, "The Crystal room was my personal interdimensional space. It was in a multi-dimensional bubble between all spaces / realities," what made you decide that was the case, and that this room wasn't just another dream image?"

Originally Posted by Sageous

"And, should you ask, I did experiment with OBE's a long time ago, and, though I had many experiences similar to the one RealityShifter described, I never found them very helpful in my search for the next level... in fact I kind of found them a little boring and fairly useless, since, try as I might, I could never prove to myself that I was physically out of my body and not just dreaming it (and that ought to be easy to prove, right?)."

Because I have reasonable proof of this, remember the 'window'(it was more like remote viewing) in the room. When I woke up, I asked my parents if it had happened exactly as I saw it, and they answered me positively, but they asked me where I knew from..(It was really easy)

Originally Posted by Sageous

"So sure, it could be a good first step, provided RealityShifter focuses on it as one, keeps an open mind about the possibility that it might have all been "just" a dream -- albeit a very cool dream filled with awesome imagery that could imply great potential--- then he might be able to use the imagery to move himself toward his awakening next time (that's why I asked him all those annoying questions, BTW). If he can consider the possibility that this experience was not an end in itself, it might be filled with potential for awakening."

It was not the last, but rather the first step to my awakening. Then they went on once every month, but I stopped them personally because I was scared. I was scared not only by 'the thing' but from myself too. The power I unlocked if i end up and couldn't control it, It can cause the End of This World. Here is a short example of this: "I teleport myself to Washington DC, the White House and use my Clairvoyance on the president and took the nuclear codes. I will launch all the missiles towards Europe, Russia and China. They gonna launch their and 'POOF!' end of the world. It is gonna take me what 30 minutes maybe 40 at best and I am just gonna enjoy the fireworks." The truth is that I hate this world so much that I want to destroy it with my own hands. Humans just kill for pleasure not only animals and the nature but also themselves. If I simply destroy them after them, life will have a clean start. But on the other hand, there is some beauty in this world, humans have a hidden side that is beautiful, but they still do not know it completely. That's why I'll help them find her. At last I found my mission: to protect life in its entirety. I am finally ready to fully awaken!
When I do that, I will come to visit you.(be prepared for me with some milk, the gods love milk.)

Note:

Originally Posted by Sageous

"Also, to me, all dreams are effectively OBE's, since you are perceptually never in your physical body during a dream (and if you think you are, well, then you're not lucid!). On top of all that, I tend to also be in the camp that assumes that most (if not all) OBE's are "just" dreams, and the imagery of seeing your body is merely dream imagery based on expectation."

You read too many book with unknown origin. There is a great misunderstanding between different authors on this. Some of them think that all OBE are in fact lucid dreams, others that all LDs are OBE, but there are others that put a fine line between them. (I am one of them) I had in past years alot of amazing lucid dreams that can make you drop your jaw on the floor, But I am considering them just Lucid Dreams. Of course I had some unknown experiences as well that where neither LD nor OBE. In fact I am conducting all sort of experiments with 'the consciousness' and Lucid Dreaming. But about that maybe we will see each other in lucid dreaming section.

p.s. "[Apologies in advance for talking about you like this, RealityShifter; I swear that no passive-aggression was meant!"
At least you were honest with your feelings.

p.s.(2)And last but not final. Slash112, DawnEye11, LighrkVader thank you for your active participation in this thread.

^^ Okay then. I can't say I was surprised about any of that.

I must respond, reluctantly, to a couple of things you said, if only to clear up apparent misunderstandings:

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

Thank goodness, you stopped me from writing a very insulting post towards you by providing me with crucial information about you in post#75, thank you for that.

Well gosh, I sure am glad you chose not to insult me! I don't even want to know what you might think an insulting post looks like!

... it is a bit odd that you were going to insult me before you even read my post, though...

... But where in my post / posts I mentioned something about 'transcending'. Under awakening, I mean my spirit, not my body.

My bad, I guess.

You used "Transcendence" as the subject in the PM you sent me recently, so I assumed you understood the meaning of the word. Transcendence, especially in our context here, is by definition a spiritual event, and not one of the body. I have no idea why you might think I was asking about your physical body.

So: yes, I was indeed asking you if you really believed that your spirit had awakened, and your spirit was essentially different now than it was before your awakening. I wasn't asking you if your body had changed -- that would never even occur to me.

Do you think everything in the universe is just lovely-Dovly, only light and no darkness, you are just too naive.

I never said a word about "everything in the universe is just lovely-Dovly," and I see that you failed to correctly read my mind about it. What I was saying was that, in the state you say you were in, I would have assumed that evil beings would have been pretty much meaningless to you; clearly you disagree with that, so I guess I got my answer.

I'll just ignore the "you are just too naive" comment/insult, because I know better myself, and any response would be just as useless as your insult.

Where I say that I floated around my body? I have legs and everything, that is why I said that. In fact I was free to go wherever I wanted.

Right here, in your "Awakening" post (#65):

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

... I felt tired and so I decided to take a nap. Of course my cat also had such an idea. As I fell asleep suddenly I woke up. I was upright and wondered why I got up. Somehow I felt lighter than usual. I turned to the bed and got a shocked expression. I was still on the bed, sleeping, and the cat was sleeping beside me. Then I realized what it was about, I was out of my body. The feeling was very strange to see yourself from the sides.

Could that possibly have meant something else?

I also never said anything about you not being free to go anywhere, or a word about your arms or legs.

As an aside: When I have my high-end, transcendental-type events, I tend to have no body at all; only presence. I personally think that if a form of my body is still with me during these moments, I may have a little more work to do... probably because that final "letting go" of even the dream image of my body represents, for me, a true exit from the physical binds my body represents. I guess that was just me; you can certainly drag a form of your body around all you want!

You read too many book with unknown origin. There is a great misunderstanding between different authors on this. Some of them think that all OBE are in fact lucid dreams, others that all LDs are OBE, but there are others that put a fine line between them.

Now you are assuming to know what I read? Amazing! And, of course, wrong.

I have never read a book about OBE, even once, "unknown origin" or not. My opinion on OBE is based purely on experience, and nothing more; and if you look again, you will see I wrote the words, "to me," in that post, indicating that it was my opinion and not something I take as pure fact. In truth I read very little of the books or internet pages about any of these things (LD'ing, OBE, AP, etc), because, in all honesty, the book that describes these things with total accuracy has never been written, and most of what has been written is crap.

I had in past years alot of amazing lucid dreams that can make you drop your jaw on the floor,

Somehow I doubt that.

p.s. "[Apologies in advance for talking about you like this, RealityShifter; I swear that no passive-aggression was meant!"
At least you were honest with your feelings.

Well, no, there were no feelings involved; quite the opposite.

I was apologizing in advance because you might have misinterpreted what I wrote as a passive-aggressive attack on you, which it was not. I'm not sure why you thought I had any feelings about this; I do not.

I'm done here. I'm sensing that you are more interested in proclaiming than in discussing, so there is no need to hang around. Good luck with your impending godhood!

Im sorry. I wanna write something but yet again Im sleepy. Ill come back to this another time but I hope your feeling ok and not mad now shifter.You did ask for sageous advice.

Just so you know RealityShifter, when you truly awaken, OBE will have pretty much nothing to do with it.

You can explore the depths of the universe, the depths of God and the depths of your subconscious, and still never awaken.
You'll awaken when you stop and just look.

Discovering all this cool stuff, ironically it can take you further away from awakening. Especially when you get all absorbed in it.
I actually spiritually devolved when I started discovering all this crazy shit. I got so absorbed in the idea of talking to God and spirits and astral projection that I sorta temporarily lost my enlightenment. I had to put work in just to reverse that.
I still find great interest in all this cool stuff, and I still talk to Spirit, etc, etc. But I keep myself in check. I keep my zen, just observe, I release judgements about what I'm observing.

Just my thoughts at the moment. That's all I want to say at this point.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Okay then. I can't say I was surprised about any of that.

No problem, I'm also not surprised by your answer. We become two ^^.
I am obliged to correct the misunderstandings that arose from your last post.

Well gosh, I sure am glad you chose not to insult me! I don't even want to know what you might think an insulting post looks like!

Maybe I was not looking for that word exactly, but you can blame a uncle google for this.

.. it is a bit odd that you were going to insult me before you even read my post, though...

lol no, I read all your posts with interest.

My bad, I guess.

You used "Transcendence" as the subject in the PM you sent me recently, so I assumed you understood the meaning of the word. Transcendence, especially in our context here, is by definition a spiritual event, and not one of the body.

I sent you this message because I thought we had similar goals, but obviously I was wrong. It has nothing to do with the subject, you again subtracting words from their context. That you have attached some of your own definition of the word, but who am I to burst your bubble.

I have no idea why you might think I was asking about your physical body.

So: yes, I was indeed asking you if you really believed that your spirit had awakened, and your spirit was essentially different now than it was before your awakening. I wasn't asking you if your body had changed -- that would never even occur to me.

What in the dream is still with you in waking life? For instance, do you still hear a million voices, and understand all their languages? Do you still see the many forms of energy ranging through your waking-life surroundings?... if not, have you considered that you may have just been dreaming about all that stuff, and not directly experiencing it?

Here you asked me quite specifically if something was left of my abilities while I was in my body. I had spiritual awakening, not body awakening.

I never said a word about "everything in the universe is just lovely-Dovly," and I see that you failed to correctly read my mind about it. What I was saying was that, in the state you say you were in, I would have assumed that evil beings would have been pretty much meaningless to you; clearly you disagree with that, so I guess I got my answer.

I'll just ignore the "you are just too naive" comment/insult, because I know better myself, and any response would be just as useless as your insult.

Again, I hate repeating myself you're just too naive. If you accept it as an insult I'm sorry, I'm just telling the truth.

Where I say that I floated around my body? I have legs and everything, that is why I said that. In fact I was free to go wherever I wanted.

Right here, in your "Awakening" post (#65):

Again, I have never said that I floated around my body, but you can float around my post as much as you want.

As an aside: When I have my high-end, transcendental-type events, I tend to have no body at all; only presence. I personally think that if a form of my body is still with me during these moments, I may have a little more work to do... probably because that final "letting go" of even the dream image of my body represents, for me, a true exit from the physical binds my body represents. I guess that was just me; you can certainly drag a form of your body around all you want!

You said it yourself, you have just a good imagination and no evidence. Still, maybe these were good lucid dreams.

Now you are assuming to know what I read? Amazing! And, of course, wrong.

I have never read a book about OBE, even once, "unknown origin" or not. My opinion on OBE is based purely on experience, and nothing more; and if you look again, you will see I wrote the words, "to me," in that post, indicating that it was my opinion and not something I take as pure fact. In truth I read very little of the books or internet pages about any of these things (LD'ing, OBE, AP, etc), because, in all honesty, the book that describes these things with total accuracy has never been written, and most of what has been written is crap.

Okay, then I just notice that you have some strange insights about LD and OOBE. You said every Lucid Dream was out of body and every out of body was a Lucid Dream but then added that you did not believe in the "leaving the body" term at all. I just get confused.

Somehow I doubt that.

No matter how doubtful your are, your jaw is still rolling on the ground

Well, no, there were no feelings involved; quite the opposite.

I was apologizing in advance because you might have misinterpreted what I wrote as a passive-aggressive attack on you, which it was not. I'm not sure why you thought I had any feelings about this; I do not.

No matter how much you apologize for your passive-aggressive attack, nothing will change.

p.s. I'm done with you, I'm not going to answer you anymore.

I wanna read some jaw-dropping LDs too. That sounds like a good read.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I'm done with you, I'm not going to answer you anymore.

Oh good; that means I get the last word!

I'm not sure whether it's your translator program, but your answers and comments seem to indicate that you radically misunderstood pretty much everything I said, in all my posts here. That's a shame.

What would be a greater shame is that you did understand what I said, and simply refused to hear, much less accept, anything that is not couched directly in your worldview and self-image, or anything I said that wasn't simply blind admiration of your "great achievements." Hopefully it's not that, because that might mean that you are in for a bit of a ride over the next few years as you continue to think you are better than everyone else (hence the delusions of godhood), and your experiences are on a higher level than anyone else's, while simultaneously closing yourself off from what anyone else tries to say in an effort to help you, regardless of their knowledge base, experience, or interest. That's going to leave you very alone one day, even if in your Crystal Room, and very lacking in all the wisdom your pride has prevented you from attaining. And that is a real shame.

I don't usually say things like this on the forums, RealityShifter; indeed, I usually ignore threads like this and members like you. But I decided to make an exception because, well, you remind me very much of me some 40 years ago; your original assumptions of our similarity may have been accurate after all, if comparing me then to you now: I too knew everything then, had greater experiences than anyone else then, and expected to become a god in no time at all, then. And I had no one to tell me that it was time to stop being a headstrong fool smitten by a bunch of experiences that seemed so powerful and take a moment to assemble some humility, some self-awareness, and an ability to listen and learn -- so I floundered along on my own for years, confident in my superiority and scoffing any advice... it was a difficult time for me, and anything I can do to help you avoid such a time is worth risking your ire and insults. Sadly, though, you probably have stopped reading already... at least I tried.

Best of Dreams, RealityShifter

I wanted to read more about people's experience. OTL This is dissapointing.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I'm pretty good at keeping promises

Originally Posted by Sageous

I'm done here. I'm sensing that you are more interested in proclaiming than in discussing, so there is no need to hang around.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Oh good; that means I get the last word!

However, it turned out that you are not good at keeping promises.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I'm not sure whether it's your translator program, but your answers and comments seem to indicate that you radically misunderstood pretty much everything I said, in all my posts here. That's a shame.

And you do not seem to understand anything I wrote from the beginning of the topic so far. It seems I overestimated your competence, my bad.

Originally Posted by Sageous

What would be a greater shame is that you did understand what I said, and simply refused to hear, much less accept, anything that is not couched directly in your worldview and self-image, or anything I said that wasn't simply blind admiration of your "great achievements." Hopefully it's not that, because that might mean that you are in for a bit of a ride over the next few years as you continue to think you are better than everyone else (hence the delusions of godhood), and your experiences are on a higher level than anyone else's, while simultaneously closing yourself off from what anyone else tries to say in an effort to help you, regardless of their knowledge base, experience, or interest. That's going to leave you very alone one day, even if in your Crystal Room, and very lacking in all the wisdom your pride has prevented you from attaining. And that is a real shame.

I saw absolutely nothing meaningful in your posts. Show me where I wrote that I'm better than the others, that are just your thoughts (maybe you have OCD or something). Wisdom from you do not make me laugh

Originally Posted by Sageous

I don't usually say things like this on the forums, RealityShifter; indeed, I usually ignore threads like this and members like you. But I decided to make an exception because, well, you remind me very much of me some 40 years ago; your original assumptions of our similarity may have been accurate after all, if comparing me then to you now: I too knew everything then, had greater experiences than anyone else then, and expected to become a god in no time at all, then. And I had no one to tell me that it was time to stop being a headstrong fool smitten by a bunch of experiences that seemed so powerful and take a moment to assemble some humility, some self-awareness, and an ability to listen and learn -- so I floundered along on my own for years, confident in my superiority and scoffing any advice... it was a difficult time for me, and anything I can do to help you avoid such a time is worth risking your ire and insults. Sadly, though, you probably have stopped reading already... at least I tried.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Well, no, there were no feelings involved; quite the opposite.
I was apologizing in advance because you might have misinterpreted what I wrote as a passive-aggressive attack on you, which it was not. I'm not sure why you thought I had any feelings about this; I do not.

I see you has a special treatment toward me. Hate is also a feeling you know. But I did not know you could fall so low. From passive-aggressive behavior to full blown Hatred. In your few posts You put me all sorts of names: fool, delusional even crazy.

But age does not relate to those things we experience(LD,OBE or AP). But from what I read so far from you, even if you have a thousand years, you will still not reach me.

Best of Luck with the "Transcendence", Sageous.

^^ Hatred? Seriously? That's just sad. No more comments are necessary here, I think; your comments truly say it all.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Hatred? Seriously? That's just sad. No more comments are necessary here, I think; your comments truly say it all.

Yeah let's just put a line here and get over with this crap

It's a shame, RealityShifter, that you so badly misunderstood the tone and intent of sageous's posts.

Originally Posted by gab

It's a shame, RealityShifter, that you so badly misunderstood the tone and intent of sageous's posts.

No, the shame is all yours, Gabi-tan my 'dear'

I can tell you right now that Sageous is a good person to talk to about transcendence.

You've spoiled that opportunity by throwing spiteful comments at him. He's only trying to help.

I'm still here for ya. But it really is a shame, Sageous knows what he's talking about.

Originally Posted by slash112

I can tell you right now that Sageous is a good person to talk to about transcendence.

You've spoiled that opportunity by throwing spiteful comments at him. He's only trying to help.

But I do not want to talk about it, he mistakenly put his word "transcendence" here and tilted the topic in a different direction.

He also threw a lot of spiteful comments at me, just for your information. Did he?

I'm still here for ya.

Thanks for that.

But it really is a shame, Sageous knows what he's talking about.

I am not sure about that. He chose to ignore every fact and evidence, I provide him with, and he failed to provide any accurate examples and solid evidence in his defense.

Anyway, I have fulfilled all my tasks here! Separately, it seems that I was not looking for answers, but to restore my courage and rise up once more.

p.s. I understand that in a 'forum' I will not find 'real' answers. Only I can reach them through 'me' and nowhere else.

Aha I must admit I was confused when peeps started talking about transcending and stuff.

I think what we've got here is a classic case of a "misunderstanding". I think you were both talking to a wall, because neither of you understood what the other wanted or was getting at. xD Classic. xD


Anyways, I hope your courage has indeed been restored.
And indeed looking within is mega important. Sometimes we have very unique needs and we can only take so much from the outside world before we have to just use our own intuition to solve the problem.

I've had needs just as unique and out-of-this-world as you, and I know how difficult it can be. It's a very lonely thing to go through. I would try my hardest to communicate my issue to people, and not a single person would understand. And I tried many many different types of people. In the end, I raked in as much information about stuff similar to what I was going through, and eventually I just went within myself and figured it out.

Sigh. Will this never end?

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

But I do not want to talk about it, he mistakenly put his word "transcendence" here and tilted the topic in a different direction.

No. I didn't.

What you are talking about on this thread, whether you are aware of it or not, is transcendence... what do you think "awakenings" and "next levels" are, if not transcendence? I was just using another word for what you proclaim you've done, a word I thought you understood. You might open a dictionary before you choose to insult people trying to work with you, if only to avoid a little embarrassment.

He also threw a lot of spiteful comments at me, just for your information. Did he?

No, I didn't.

That you think I did is very telling though. And that you showered me with spiteful comments without a care about the hypocrisy you were exhibiting is even more telling.

I am not sure about that. He chose to ignore every fact and evidence, I provide him with, and he failed to provide any accurate examples and solid evidence in his defense.

I ignored nothing, and commented on many of your facts. That you failed to notice that I did, and that you failed to notice that I offered backup for my own thoughts and opinions (and not, BTW statements of fact, as I already said) is, again, very telling.

... You do know that my posts are still up, and it's pretty easy to tell I wasn't doing all the things you say I was, right?

RealityShifter, I don't know why you've chosen to make these ceaseless and unprovoked attacks on me -- especially because you asked me to post here -- but I truly wish you would stop. I honestly was trying to help you, and to have a discussion; my only mistake here was not realizing quickly enough that you did not want a discussion, only an audience, and when I did notice it I left... only to feel a need to return because you continued to attack me even after I'd gone.

I have no idea why you think I hate you (I don't hate anyone, especially people I do not know), or why you think any of the things about me that you do, but I truly wish you would stop. I harbor no ill will toward you, and never did, even for a second. I truly hope you will let your anger at me subside, if only so we will be able to converse politely on other threads.

Moderators: if you are out there, I would appreciate it if you could please offer RealtyShifter a little advice about allowing people to express opinions on his threads that don't necessarily match his own, and doing so without taking it all so incredibly personally... especially when they are people for whose opinions he specifically asked. I was only trying to help (when, oh when, will I ever learn?).

p.s. I understand that in a 'forum' I will not find 'real' answers. Only I can reach them through 'me' and nowhere else.

To that I offer a most sincere "Good luck," and I hope you are very patient.

Originally Posted by gab

It's a shame, RealityShifter, that you so badly misunderstood the tone and intent of sageous's posts.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

No, the shame is all yours, Gabi-tan my 'dear'

Originally Posted by sageous

Moderators: if you are out there, I would appreciate it if you could please offer RealtyShifter a little advice about allowing people to express opinions on his threads that don't necessarily match his own, and doing so without taking it all so incredibly personally... especially when they are people for whose opinions he specifically asked. I was only trying to help (when, oh when, will I ever learn?).

I tried with a gentle hint, sageous, but it didn't work. Instead, I got an insult. Perhaps there is a language barrier larger than I thought.

I could suggest that RealityShifter reads your other threads, sageous, and hopefully realize that you are in this solely to help all those that seek. But somehow I doubt that would help either. I could say, that I'm always amazed how you keep a cool head and somehow bypass the insults aimed at you and just keep focusing on the discussion. I and dozens of your students on this forum have learned so much from you, sageous. Keep teaching those that want to learn.

RealityShifter - a discussion sometimes contains ideas not all parties agree with. It doesn't mean that they are meant as a personal attack against other participants. Some things may hurt our feelings, but if they are not aimed personally at another person, if they are expressed in general, as an idea, you can't be offended by that. On the other hand, calling someone "dear" when we all know how you meant it, is not cool. No more personal attacks, por favor. Enjoy the discussion.

Originally Posted by gab

I tried with a gentle hint, sageous, but it didn't work. Instead, I got an insult. Perhaps there is a language barrier larger than I thought.

I could suggest that RealityShifter reads your other threads, sageous, and hopefully realize that you are in this solely to help all those that seek. But somehow I doubt that would help either. I could say, that I'm always amazed how you keep a cool head and somehow bypass the insults aimed at you and just keep focusing on the discussion. I and dozens of your students on this forum have learned so much from you, sageous. Keep teaching those that want to learn.

RealityShifter - a discussion sometimes contains ideas not all parties agree with. It doesn't mean that they are meant as a personal attack against other participants. Some things may hurt our feelings, but if they are not aimed personally at another person, if they are expressed in general, as an idea, you can't be offended by that. On the other hand, calling someone "dear" when we all know how you meant it, is not cool. No more personal attacks, por favor. Enjoy the discussion.

I'm sorry, if I you think I offended you, but that was not an insult. It seems you didn't catch that one, but this was a classical anime gag. In my ears that 'dear' it sounds even sweeter than normal dear. I have the bad habit of imagining all girls as anime heroines Click here

Despite his portrayal as a serious character, a major contrast is his habit of putting "-tan" at the end of a person's name. He addresses both Benio and Arima as "Beni-tan" and "Arima-tan", despite not being particularly close with Benio.

He has been an otaku since 14, when Harumi Tsuchimikado bring him and Arima to the Mainland. [1]He loves the BonBonBina Magical Girls show and even buys a T-shirt that cost him 10,000 yen.

I read through the thread from the link he provided about "transcendence", but what I read sounded really confusing to me.

that a transcendent experience exceeds all the metaphor we currently have on hand to associate the event to something we can understand. In other words, there is literally no reference available to explain what happened. This is especially true on a personal level, because it implies that a transcendent dream cannot be remembered, simply because your mind has no metaphor on hand to reference what happened. So, someone has a transcendent dream, or sees God (as Saul did above), and the best that your mind can do to describe it, after the fact, was "bright light." You know something bigger happened, but you simply cannot describe it. And yes, even someone who knows more and comprehends more efficiently than others will wind up in the same position, if he has a transcendent moment. It isn't about a particular human's ability to comprehend, it's about the experience exceeding that ability, regardless. I think that in a nutshell is the definition of transcendence.

If you can not remember the event, how do you know it was "transcendent"?

The awakening I'm publishing here is about spiritual awakening, and it differs mainly from being an unforgettable experience. No matter how hard you try to forget it, you can not.

Fifth, as lucid dream researcher, Ed Kellogg, Ph.D., has described, the memory of a long OBE experience seems crystal clear and easily recalled in a linear order, while memory of an equally long lucid dream seems less detailed and more difficult to recall precisely and in order. Many lucid dreamers, myself included, report this hampered memory with long lucid dreams, though my long OBE experiences seem comparatively clear, memorable, and detailed.
Sixth, OBErs usually report “returning” to their body, sometimes with a noticeable reconnection. Lucid dreamers, by contrast, at the end of the lucid dream report waking up, having a false awakening, or the dream imagery “going gray” (that is, losing normal visuals and seeing a diffused dark state).

In short, those experiencing OBEs normally recognize their state from the start; they often report unique vibratory and energy sensations preceding their experience; they seem to accept and not change their environment; they seem to recall easily the details of their experience; and, OBE reports contain more reference to “returning to the body.”

I have see that you have some special Sensei-student relationship in which I will not interfere.
I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago. The only thing he is better than me is "the way of the speech".

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago. The only thing he is better than me is "the way of the speech".

One thing I know, that a truly transcended person would never say that he is better than anybody else. People who say that are those that have no idea how much they don't know.

Well spotted gab. That's an important mentality to take a serious look at.. I'm just gonna say a few words about it.
Very early in my spiritual journey, that was drilled into me. We are all equal, there is no such thing as a "better being".

But, in this relativistic world we all have different skillsets, so one person could be better at X and another person better at Y. It's too easy to zoom in on such details and say you've surpassed someone.

BUT, when it comes to "how far along on the path are you?" you CANNOT say that you have surpassed someone, because everyone's path is entirely unique. It would be completely unfair, for example, for me to say that I have surpassed anyone at all.

Even when Mahayana Buddhists say their vows, they say that "The Way of the Buddha is unsurpassable. I vow to fulfill it". Here they refer to their goal of surpassing the unsurpassable. But in order to surpass, you must release the concept of surpassing.

Also, spiritual awakening and transcendence are linked btw.
E.g. My way and your way are two different ways of getting to the same place.

Still, you can go along your own path. You don't need to take Sageous' advice (or anyone's). But at least know that you both very well may have the exact same goal, without even knowing it.
We are brothers and sisters on this journey.

In fact, many will tell you that every single soul in existence is going to end up in the same place. We're all heading towards the same goal. Re-union.

Originally Posted by gab

One thing I know, that a truly transcended person would never say that he is better than anybody else. People who say that are those that have no idea how much they don't know.

The same goes for your sensei I never said I was a transcended person in your way of meaning it and to be honest I will never want to be one. My goals lies elsewhere, much much much further away from this.