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      Oh nice post, man.

      Then something transcendent happens, you can't really put your finger on what happened or changed, but now you can feel and experience directly the truth of what you once only understood partially.
      This is a really nice description of transcendence. It certainly describes my own experience.

      The only thing I'm curious about...
      I sometimes refer to my practice of Advaita Vedanta to be "transcending the body/mind".
      The very first time, it was exactly as you explained there in that quote.
      The thing I wonder is, when I do it now, is it still transcendental? It's completely normal now for me to go in and out of my body, in waking life OR dream. Am I no longer "transcending"? Am I simply "doing"?

      Perhaps a better word would be "ascending" now. I ascend and descend from my body. But it's no longer "transcendental" because it's already fully integrated into my human experience...

      Much like how a first-time LD is transcendental, but the rest ain't...
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      Idk. It would be semantic no?

      What would it be that transcended, and what would it transcend? If it's just you, transcending you then isn't it a meaningless word? It isn't meaningless the first time it happens. Then it's grand and rare, so a fancy word is in order. Though even then, it wasn't special to anyone but the ego. To the self nothing is new, and neither are you. (haha edit: just realized that's a damn fine quote right there)
      But after a while, as you know it's like a switch. As soon as you remember that the switch is there you can just flick it. So it's more like you said "doing" I think is more right. But most of all it's like oscillating... though that sounds somewhat deterministic.
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      Yeah it's defos an issue of semantics.

      "You transcending you"
      That pretty much says it, yeah. But there's still an issue of semantics in the use of the word "you".

      The "me" that transcends, is kinda like, "sense of self".
      The "me" that is transcended, is the body and mind.
      Sense of self leaves the body/mind.

      I had previously been using the word "transcend" pretty much synonymously with "ascend".
      But now that I Google the word, "transcend" means "to exceed the limits of".

      So, I used to have a limitation of "I am body/mind" and that's it.
      I transcended that limitation.
      Now I'm free to, as you say, "oscillate".


      Brilliant. xD
      Cheers!
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      hahaha We pick up lessons from all over. And then those ideas need time to grow in us. That's I guess one of the things that's nice about meditation. But all it really takes is a safe and quiet place with no disturbances. I learned a lot sitting in front of my Prophet 12 synthesizer. Synthesizers are all about vibration and oscillation. Oscillators affecting other oscillators again affecting others. Chaos and harmony, randomness and will creating a unique and surreal vibration that hits you eardrum making it oscillate. It's a nice way to spend a while in the role of the father, the synth being the mother. get's very meditative very quickly

      It definitely shapes how I think about the world.

      Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IzyHt-VY24 Edit: not me but I like this one a lot.
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      Quote Originally Posted by LighrkVader View Post
      Idk. It would be semantic no?
      Well, no. To me it would be no more a matter of semantics than saying that using the word "run" for when you move your body in a manner that makes it go faster than a walk or a jog would be a matter of semantics. There is nothing special about the word "transcendence." It is not a big word, or a special word, but just a word that does its job describing a fairly simple thing. I think attaching importance to the word itself has, over the years, made its concept less accessible (sort of what happened to the word "lucidity," BTW).

      But here we are, wandering back into those weeds again!

      So, DawnEye, Just to get back on track, I finally scrounged up a couple of dreams of transcendence that are a bit different from the usual "higher awareness" stuff... I picked these two because they came the closest to making any sense upon being written down... I hope they did! I also hope you'll give them a look, even though they do go on for a while:


      First, here is an old, old LD that actually made it into my first book (which is from where I just stole the text, just to save time). At the time I had it, I was a fairly headstrong kid who thought he knew everything about dreams and was about ready for godhood… also at the time I thought that this dream was a very “high-level” LD, though I now know it was not. But what hadn’t occurred to me at the time was that I may have been having a transcendent moment, and a helpful one at that.

      The dream had been going on for quite a while, chock full of adventure, but eventually I found myself lounging on the beach of a quiet lagoon, feeling quite powerful in my lucidity but also feeling very alone (now follows the book excerpt):

      On an impulse from whose talons of self-deification I should have run, I decided that I would just have to make my own company. With little more than interest in doing so, I `caused' some sand to mix with water and air on the beach near the water, imagining instructions in unrepeatable flowery text. I then watched, fascinated, as lumps of the stuff quickly formed into discernible shapes. I rose from the lounge chair, probably because I felt a need to stand above my newest creations, and stepped closer to the shifting piles of sand. The sand had sculpted itself into three perfect human statues: two men and a woman. In a moment the statues acquired the flesh tones of white people tanned bronze by years of sunbathing (a part of me worried that I had only made people from one race, but I ignored it – I would not allow myself to be bogged down by such petty ethical disputes as skin color). I then took care to dress them in appropriate clothes (linen suits for the men, a sarong for the woman). Once dressed, I stepped back in awe. They were beautiful. Statues of people one might encounter on Fifth Avenue. They were beautiful, but they were also still lifeless sand casts that were no better company than photographs of strangers. I tapped the tall, blond woman's arm. Her soft skin dimpled under the pressure of my finger. I moved closer, amazed, but not surprised.

      They were no longer sand. I bent the woman’s bare arm. It moved like a corpse, not a mannequin. I lifted one of her eyelids, gasping slightly when I discovered a dull, blue, perfect eye behind the soft curtain. I lifted the lid of her other eye next. Though she seemed to stare placidly into my own, I knew that those new eyes regarded nothing yet. I released her, stepped back. This is way too much, I thought, there’s no way I should, or even can be doing this. My new power tempted to overwhelm me with imagined potential. It felt like a static charge that I could not ground. For a single sane moment I feared it, desperately wishing to flee. Then I wanted more.

      Feeling my chest swell in anticipation, I decided that it was time to breathe some life into my creations. The thought had barely, irrevocably, left the sanctuary of my fantasies when the men opened their eyes, wide. Those orbs were not blue and handsome, but rather red with the blood that filled them. The men screamed in agony, though there was no life defining their ghostly visages. They were horrendously invigorated for a fraction of a second, and then they began to decay. The dissolution from flesh back to sand was very fast, very violent, and possibly very painful. Their feet went first, changing from perfect flesh to bloody bones to swirling sand in a heartbeat. The legs crumbled, and the decay continued upward. Green mucous-blood formed a pool that the torsos fell into as they thrashed in pain. Finally, their empty heads gasped for breath after their necks were gone. In just a few seconds, my living beings were primordial ooze sans life.

      I stood in silence over the green muck that remained of my creations, uncertain of my initial reaction. My first thought, after the mind-rattling tremors of terror and shame faded slightly, was that I might have stepped on some mighty toes. I was horrified that my mind still searched for some practical reason behind my failure. It should have been obvious that I was not spiritually equipped to supply souls to sand. I shuddered when I imagined what substitute for life I had tried to breath into my statues. It obviously could not have been the real thing, the true breath, or word that drives genuine creation. But it was something. Something else. I looked at the woman. She was still poised for life, unaware of the fate of her two brothers. She was beautiful: her tall, bountiful body swept with long, flowing flaxen hair. Her high-cheeked face lacked expression as she stared at my contemplation. She resembled no one I knew. I stroked her hair. It was soft, full. I grabbed a handful and pulled very hard, ripping that masterpiece of a head from sandy shoulders with unchecked violence. With my vision blurred by tears, I kicked the rest of her down without pause. After she had been reduced to a few piles of multicolored sand, I retreated a few paces, stumbling over a fallen log.

      I numbly climbed onto the log, and raised the lagoon’s water level by a few feet with a gesture, burying my horrors beneath a blanket of liquid clarity. I stared at the spot where my “children” were born and died until the bottom was ground smooth by many tons of moving water.


      This next dream is more recent; I think from a couple of years ago, and it definitely falls into the “You had to be there” category:

      I became lucid during a dream that had me exploring a Victorian mansion. I was in its parlor, checking out a locked antique safe in the corner of the room. It seemed to glow a bit, and I was very curious about what was inside. My interest in getting it open spurred “full-on” lucidity. Now normally when I gain a moment of high-end lucidity, I usually abandon the dream and head off to whatever it was I was planning to do that day, but this time I really wanted to get into that safe, even though I “knew” now that it was just an image in my dream.

      So, with the rest of the dream (and my dream body) long gone, I faced the safe and ordered it to open; assuming, oddly, that I would fail and would need to get creative to break into a construct that I expected to be securely locked. To my surprise, it opened right up, with its door not only swinging open but disappearing. I didn’t need to look into the safe to see what it contained, because whatever it was was coming out to me. And here is the “you had to be there” part:

      The object in the safe was a sort of glowing blue wad of energy; like a gallon or so of loose plasma. It had no shape at all, or rather, it seemed to have every shape, constantly shifting from one to another. Yet somehow I felt that its shape was unchanging; the most stable thing I’d ever seen -- and yes, I felt this even as I watched it shifting before me. In this stability I sensed great power, power that was more invitation than threat. I tried to move toward it, conjuring a hand to reach out and touch it, but no matter what I did, the object remained as distant from me as it had been the moment I spotted it in the safe. So, since touching was out of the question, I decided to simply observe, to watch and listen with my mind as open as I could get it.

      The object turned slightly yellow when my attention on it fully hardened, and then started making curious shapes in white within its body -- I would call them geometric for lack of a better word, because they really weren’t. This went on for a few seconds, I grew excited and deeply intrigued, and then it was suddenly back in the safe, the door returned and slammed shut, and I was back in the Victorian parlor, staring at the closed safe and feeling my body beginning to wake up.

      Upon waking I quickly DEILD’ed back into the same scene, but the safe was wide open and empty, save for a small book that looked a lot like my current dream journal. I tried searching for the object, even recreating it, even opening the book to see if I had recorded its whereabouts within (it was blank) but it was gone.


      Well, it wasn’t entirely gone: This had nothing to do with transcendence, but a few weeks later, during a far less lucid dream about a poker game with strangers, I suddenly, randomly, remembered the object, and then there it was, floating on a nearby bookshelf, glowing away and changing shape without ever changing form. Not being too lucid, and wondering (at the time) why I was remembering stuff from another dream, I kind of looked at the object as if it weren’t supposed to be there, and so it quickly wasn’t (this has happened a few times since I had that dream several years ago, with each reaction being about the same).
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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Well, Dawn, I could only draw upon my own experience, and any transcendental experience I've ever known somehow involves a loss of the sense of body.

      In 3, you talk about seeing things through the parakeet's perspective. To me that suggests that your sense of body was either completely changed or even gone. And you were experiencing something completely outwith the bounds of human experience.

      In 4, you talk about fainting then feeling calmness and not being worried about your body.
      Going into a blissful state, that's a pretty good sign of transcendence, to me. Not to mention, the loss of sense of body.

      Oddly enough, some of my earliest memories of transcendental experiences were when I fainted, a few times, in waking life.
      At the time, the thought of transcendence never even crossed my mind. But when I look back on it, I see that my conscious mind sorta floated away from me and I became almost a blissful, silent observer to it. I say "almost", because when I fainted, I would put all my strength into keeping my conscious mind awake, so I never actually fainted, I just remained slightly conscious while I practically took a fit falling to the floor. Sounds like a big struggle, but honestly, the calmness that came over me was significant and indescribable.




      About your question, I assume it's this one:


      Who said they only happen once?
      Perhaps the meaning behind that is, you only wake up to transcendence once? Then every time after that, it's just normality...
      I mean, when I woke up to transcendence (while awake, not dreaming), it WAS like a one-off thing, like, I can never have that experience again. I can transcend my body/mind at will, but I can never experience the amazement, shock and awe of "waking up" to it. And that was AFTER having experienced a few things that could be considered transcendental, but before that point I had never "woke up" to it, and I never will again.

      Note: The way I see it, "waking up" to it, is like a moment of experience, realization and a little bit of understanding, all at the one time.
      But I'm pretty damn sure that not everyone has a singular moment that they could say "that's when I woke up". Some people wake up slowly. So I wouldn't entirely agree that you can only have one transcendental "waking up" moment.

      But anyways, I don't know if this is what the person meant when they said it really only happens once.




      LighrkVader, I love that! Thanks for the share!
      The link may get removed tho. Last I checked, links to anything pirated is against the rules.
      I wasnt pointing fingers. I just didnt recall reading about multiple transcendental moment in Sageous thread so that was my first impression till i wondered if there were more to it than being woken up in a moment.Thanks for explaining and providing your personal example. (I was a little embarassed that i put mine up. idk why. Vader mentioned he fainted too before so i shouldn't feel like im the only one.) Awkward feelings aside, if you fainted a few times was the transcended part after the first was when you were not only calm but you getting mentally stronger in such a situation, despite not having full control of your body?

      Also, reading about you woken up Im getting curious about how your perspective changed again. >w< But ill save that curiousity till i read the thread you said you would make.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      In case you think it was me who said this, it was not what I meant.

      I think I was saying that you can call your first LD a transcendental event, because you have never before experienced a state of being awake while you are asleep, and after that first time the transitions to LD's are not necessarily transcendent because lucidity is a thing you've already experienced. But that example aside, you can certainly have more than one moment of transcendence; and I for one believe that LD'ing is an excellent tool for encouraging innumerable transcendental experiences (even more than meditation, I think, because you are starting out in a place -- dreams -- where unusual or novel experiences are commonplace). So, even though you can only call your first successful WILD or DILD transition a transcendent experience, there really is no limit to the number of transcendent experiences you might have in future LD's.

      Keep in mind that transcendence is simply the discovery of something that ranges beyond your experience or knowledge (and possibly beyond any human experience or knowledge), and when they happen in dreams it is very difficult to "bring them back," because they lack metaphoric handles that your memory can grab to retain them.

      Also, not that I want to counter Slash's thoughts (because I don't), but transcendent experiences do not need to require the absence of your dream body, and vice-versa: Pretty much all of my highly lucid dreams do not include the presence of a dream body, and pretty much all of those dreams were not transcendental experiences.
      I understood that part about first lucids. I just didnt remember reading about multiple transcendental moments that built up the dreamer till they actually transcend. I still keep what you said in mind though. Hmm...i might need more examples of metaphoric handles though. However, i'll probably get a better idea with your next post. I kind of figured that an absense of body wasn't necessary but thx for clearing a few things up for us.
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      Oh boy. Those are good dreams sageous.

      The blue orb....interesting that you would post that now, because I am quite sure I remember something similar presented itself to Robert Waggoner on several occations leading to the transcendent dream that I posted earlier. Maybe you should check that out if you want some clues. It's all in chapter 7. Maybe it's a guide or gatekeeper of some sort.

      Edit: ohoho. This is cool! In the book, in the last dream before the transcendent one waggoner finds himself in a bright white space with the the blue spirit which had in that dream taken a more humanoid form, because he is unable to pin down it's strange shape he jokingly calls it "blue light monster" though he too felt it was friendly. Remember how you couldn't get closer to it. Well waggoner rushed at it, like in a game where the objective is just to run past. And he woke up. Next dream was the one I posted.
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      ^w^ Wow. I know you mentioned you saw your self as like a dream God before but reading about you attempting to blow life into your creations blew my mind. I can definitely see a transcendental moment when your creations came apart in such a gruesome way. You weren't even contemplating their destruction and it occurred. Well, except the part where you took the woman's head off. That was thought of but at the same time its humbling because of your realization.

      That blue orb transcendental dream definitely sounds like you had to be there. You found something so amazing in that safe. Now that I think about it, your orb dream seems connected to the first dream. Mostly in the way how the orb reacted to your attention, while the humans you created weren't on that level yet.
      Also, thinking about how the orb had no shape but was unchanging is deep. I like it. Its like saying one form doesn't make up a person. I also am interested by the way you communicated through feelings and symbols. Since it returned in your later dreams I wonder if there is meaning behind it. Like you wanted something full of life before but now that you don't, it appears. Why? Either way the orb sounds cute and now I want to see one too. However, I don't think it would be transcendental in my case. It'd feel like I came up with a fake copy of it.

      Looks like Vader has some ideas about what it is too.: D That's actually cool how he dreamed of something similar.
      Reading about this part of not being touched again reminds me of a scene I saw in a animated show. Where a Spirit tiger was attacking two people in separate visions. One person killed the tiger and was sent back out the castle and lost the opportunity to uncover hidden secrets. While the other person wanted to gain knowledge about how to gain life, so she was going to give her own by taking the chance of letting the spirit tiger decide. When it lept it went inside of her and she was transported to a place where she learned the secrets to life was with her all along. I know it was just a show but the message I'm getting from it seems almost similar.
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      Ooo some juicy stuff to catch up on.

      I was just working on my Advaita Vedanta thread: https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...roduction.html

      You'll know when I've caught up here when I like your posts. In the meantime, I am positively shattered.

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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Ooo some juicy stuff to catch up on.

      I was just working on my Advaita Vedanta thread: https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...roduction.html

      You'll know when I've caught up here when I like your posts. In the meantime, I am positively shattered.
      Awesome! Your warning sign made me second guess whether I should read it though.>.>"
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      Just for the record:

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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      That blue orb...
      It was never an orb, even for a moment.

      I'm not sure why that matters, but it seemed worth mentioning...
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      Awesome! Your warning sign made me second guess whether I should read it though.>.>"
      Hahah that's a fair response.

      My honest opinion is, it is an incredibly positive thing for anyone to do.

      But it wouldn't be right if I didn't give a serious warning about the potential side-effects.
      I think I'll expand on the warning a bit, because I didn't really explain the side-effects. The biggest kickers are, you start to see more, and sometimes it's things you never wanted to see in the first place. Toxic relationships are revealed, toxic life habits, the problems in the world. Also you can become really sensitive, so if you're surrounded by negative energy, it will sting like a bitch.

      But the beauty of Vedanta is that it gives you the ability to free yourself from any problem, easily. Hence it's my favourite form of spiritual awakening.


      EDIT: Warning updated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Just for the record:



      It was never an orb, even for a moment.

      I'm not sure why that matters, but it seemed worth mentioning...
      My mind chose to identify it with the closest thing it could relate it to. Sorry. I was aware it had no real shape though.^^"
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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      if you fainted a few times was the transcended part after the first was when you were not only calm but you getting mentally stronger in such a situation, despite not having full control of your body?
      Just saw this.

      Well it is now my understanding that the first time was a transcendental event. But after that, it was nothing new so it was no longer transcendental. I did get mentally stronger each time, but still, the first one was the only one to bring anything new into my experience.

      Then when I "woke up" with the use of Vedanta, it was a whole new transcendental event, because I came to directly realize some stuff that was previously beyond my scope of knowledge.
      Then after that, leaving my body was no longer transcendental, but I did have a few more transcendental events related to Vedanta in which more truths came into my experience.

      Then when I experienced my Vedanta practice within a dream, that was a whole new transcendental event.
      I did have a few Vedanta dreams, but only the first one was transcendental.


      If that makes any sense?

      Also, Sageous, I'd love it if you could confirm my understanding here to be correct?
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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Also, Sageous, I'd love it if you could confirm my understanding here to be correct?
      It seems pretty spot on to me!

      And as a sort of aside about your account of how you saw your way through fainting without losing consciousness: Are you familiar with sleep yoga, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Bardo Thodal)? If your not, you might want to look into them; you might find them interesting, and also find that you might have a leg up in their practices.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      It seems pretty spot on to me!

      And as a sort of aside about your account of how you saw your way through fainting without losing consciousness: Are you familiar with sleep yoga, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Bardo Thodal)? If your not, you might want to look into them; you might find them interesting, and also find that you might have a leg up in their practices.
      Ah nice one, cheers!

      I heard about the Tibetan Book of the Dead years ago, and I was immediately interested. I think I read a few pages then put it aside. Which was way before I "woke up", so it was mostly just meaningless words to me at the time. I intend on looking at it again, soon. Maybe tonight, now that you mention it!

      And sleep/dream yoga is also next on my list, I've been meaning to look properly into it since returning to DV.
      I've literally just given up weed so I've only just regained my ability to lucid dream. It's pretty much time to look at it now!


      EDIT: Currently reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It's fuckin awesome! I actually understand it now!

      EDIT 2: For years I've been weirdly interested in the idea of guiding people through death. A ferryman, of sorts.
      I think that thought was first sparked by the Tibetan Book of the Dead. But now that I'm reading and understanding it, I fully see the potential that I'll be able to actually do it in the future.
      It looks like the biggest gap in my knowledge, however, is how to fully recognize the symptoms of the stages of death.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      The object in the safe was a sort of glowing blue wad of energy; like a gallon or so of loose plasma. It had no shape at all, or rather, it seemed to have every shape, constantly shifting from one to another. Yet somehow I felt that its shape was unchanging; the most stable thing I’d ever seen -- and yes, I felt this even as I watched it shifting before me.
      While I don't think I've encountered anything on quite that level, that does remind me of a couple of instances in LDs where I suspect I encountered “impossible” imagery that seemed to defy waking-life concepts of spatial geometry, leaving me at a bit of a loss upon waking to try to visualize or understand what I had just seen. For example, here's an excerpt from my dream journal:

      At one point[…], I found a room with a row of four [light bulbs]. They were in a row in a bar-shaped fixture kind of like our waking-life bathroom, but they seemed to be hung at an angle right in a corner of the room, with the last lamp almost touching the corner. I looked at the lights for a brief instant and then left the room and continued. Right after that, I realized there was something a little odd about the lights. It seemed like each lamp faced an alternating direction, one left, one right, etc. [presumably meaning the sockets would have to somehow be facing different directions despite being mounted in the same plane of the light fixture] I wondered how that could be geometrically possible, so, curious, I immediately went back to the room to get another look.

      Again, the lamps appeared as I had seen them. But then when I started studying them in detail to try to remember the arrangement for when I woke up, I noticed that now they suddenly looked normal, with all lamps facing the same direction, installed in sockets facing the same direction. Suddenly, the magic was gone.
      I've also often encountered instances of imagery that I suspected was somehow incomplete, despite my impression that it was nonetheless a “complete” image just like I would perceive from my eyes in waking life, yet being unable to place my finger on the source of the apparent paradox during the LD. I tend to liken it to the way the brain effectively “fills in” the hole in the human retina's blind spot; if one pays close attention, it can be noticed how it creates the impression of having a complete, solid image in that area even though it is in fact obviously incomplete at the same time. It felt like what I saw in the dream was sort of like that, only involving the complete “visual field” in the dream, though I can't remember well enough to say whether it was exactly like that or if this is merely the closest waking-life analog (is “metaphor” the correct word here?) I found.

      I've also had the many experiences of lucid NREM/REM sleep transitions that I suppose might be considered mildly transcendental, at least the first time I experienced them (assuming I understood everything I read in this thread correctly), such as the fact that there can be a smooth, gradual transition between “mind's eye” imagery and “real” (read: full-blown dream) imagery, despite the fact that even today, despite having experienced it enough times, it's still somewhat difficult for my waking-life self to fathom any mental imagery being anything but 100% either/or, with no in-between being possible at all.

      And then there are of course the two or three suspected lucid NREM/delta sleep experiences I've had up to this point which definitely seemed to be quite removed from the realm of everyday waking-life experience, but yet are difficult to remember clearly enough to effectively examine and evaluate after the fact.
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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Just saw this.

      Well it is now my understanding that the first time was a transcendental event. But after that, it was nothing new so it was no longer transcendental. I did get mentally stronger each time, but still, the first one was the only one to bring anything new into my experience.

      Then when I "woke up" with the use of Vedanta, it was a whole new transcendental event, because I came to directly realize some stuff that was previously beyond my scope of knowledge.
      Then after that, leaving my body was no longer transcendental, but I did have a few more transcendental events related to Vedanta in which more truths came into my experience.

      Then when I experienced my Vedanta practice within a dream, that was a whole new transcendental event.
      I did have a few Vedanta dreams, but only the first one was transcendental.


      If that makes any sense?

      Also, Sageous, I'd love it if you could confirm my understanding here to be correct?
      Yeah, I get it. Thanks for answering my question. ^w^
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