What perceives that? Step back. |
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What perceives that? Step back. |
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Just bringing it in here so I don't clog up your thread. |
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Dawn: |
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I didn't want to clog your thread either but glad we can talk here. |
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hmm...I have 2 questions. Is the awareness surrounding me literally or symbolically? |
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Good questions. |
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Thanks! ^w^ This is starting to feel like a riddle now. Hehe I was going to say the things that make up the universe but I read that there is no proof that there is awareness in even a atom or plant and knowledge of biology debunked that theory. So I've run out of options other than other humans/entities if they exist. : P |
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Yeah that's all ideas and concepts. All roadblocks. |
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Its fine. Maybe I don't get what pure awareness is now but I understand that your just observing for the most part silently after you let your thoughts pass. Today I read a book about an author who played chess. He talked about his life growing up and the art of learning. In the chapter I read he talked about a moment where he slipped into pure awareness. He didn't see the people around him. Everything around him was gone except the chess board in front of him. Not even the Small earthquake he felt shook his focus. Until finally he saw the chess move that would lead him to victory in the game. |
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It's neither action nor entity. |
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Great~ I think that sums it up perfectly for me. So silent witness is the observer silently witnessing things that happen around them without judgement and pure awareness is being present in the moment observing how your awareness is working around you. That way the witness/observer can avoid the faults of what was not perceived due to distracting thoughts. Is that right? |
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Spot on! |
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Yay~ Now wheres my prize? XD Jk |
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Having read the disclaimer above I just wanted to throw in my two cents, having experienced some issues with Advaita Vedanta, and having since moved away from the practice. I don't know what your path in life is, and will not tell you what you should or should not pursue. Only you can know what is best for you. But, I think that some people begin these spiritual practices and are blissfully unaware of what they are getting themselves into. They can't really foresee that a spiritual practice can be a painful experience, or even become a crisis. But it can. For me, I practiced vichara (the method of self-inquiry outlined above) for roughly a year (this was the year prior to my five year lucid dreaming and Dreamviews hiatus). Certain "spiritual experiences" (who were these experiences happening to? hehe) became more and more intense, and eventually it felt as if the little 'i' was teetering on a precipice, nothing more than a flickering flame about to be extinguished forever by a breath of air. This was exactly what I had been working towards. Self-realization, enlightenment, or whatever you want to call it seemed so close. But, I never could have anticipated the panic and sheer terror. This was probably similar to what religious scholar Rudolph Otto had in mind when he used the phrase mysterium tremendum et fascinans to describe what he called a numinous experience. Ultimately I was unable to push through the fear, but worldly life had already lost all meaning and I could not turn away from Advaita Vedanta completely. Not being able to go forward, and unable to go back, I was stuck in this depressing, lonely, and painful nowhere. I will skip over the very messy details of what happened next, and how my views eventually became more secularized, but I just want anyone reading the thread to know that some people may have an adverse reaction to diving headfirst into this sort of thing, and that you should exercise caution. Personality and other individual differences will likely affect how you relate to any spiritual practice, but at the end of the day it is difficult to predict what exactly your experience will be. Your mileage will probably vary, and will probably be more positive. But maybe not. |
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Thank you McDreamy! I didn't go into enough detail in my warning, so that helps a lot. |
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To add something of my perspective to McDeamy’s warning....I think the inquiry about identity isn’t itself very dangerous. The problem is the ideology, which tells you what fears and questions to disregard as unimportant, and tells you what will happen if you push on. The ideology is a half-truth which can’t deliver what it promises. There’s an assumption that the esteemed gurus of the past knew what they were doing, but they only knew what their philosophy said was important to understand, which left out other important things. Laziness and hypocrisy tend protect people from the worst effects, but if you drink too deeply it can cause trouble. At the same time, the questions of identity being explored in the practice are indispensably important and valuable to the extent you’re cut out for exploring it. |
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