Dream Guides(Subconscious?¿) What they are? (Discussion)

**GordanFreeman** · 07-10-2018 01:11 AM

I'm interested of what they are, for that purpose I need to hear more Experiences of others. Maybe something can be born of this and I'm sure many users will be interested in this matter. I hope more of the core users to come here to share their experiences and thoughts, and maybe a interesting discussion will form.

I'm going to post one of main here and more of them as discussion goes:

I wake up in living room and immediately gained awarness.(I live in apartment) Everything around was darkish, the lamps doesn't glow enough and the walls were covered in some dark substance like tentacles(or veins), they were like alive, they had a heartbeat(pulsating). I went in the corridor, everything was covered in that stuff, the lamps were flickering. I thought to get out from front door, but behind the door there was a strange noise, so I looked through the spyhole. On the other side of the door there was a black fat monster with big mouth and many teeths, which from time to time was burping with sulphur smell. So I went to my room, the walls were covered also, I thought that I can fly out of windows,but they were covered also, from what I saw through them all the city were covered in that shit. The sun was there, but was a full sun eclipse. In that moment the entire floor started to cover with dark spiders and snakes stuff. I jump on top of my bed. I thought that I can't escape from that, so I just sit on the bed, the dark things were crawling towards me in that moment the lamps gone all dark.

Suddenly a person appeared on the bed beside me, he was carrying a little flashlight. He looked at me and say "What are you doing, why are you so afraid, everything in here is an illusion. Everything here is part of yourself, look carefully now". He close his eyes and the next moment his little flashlight lit like a big projector. I asked him how did you do it. He said "You must concentrate, use your inner light", "ok I will give it a try". I closed my eyes and focused on light, the next moment the room exploded in very bright light, all blackness started to burn and disapeared. Outside was a bright day, all the darkness was gone "See you can do it, if you just try and remember this is your inner world, your will is everything". I turned towards him and said "perhaps, you are Me". He smiled and vanish. In that moment the dream fall apart and I woke up in my bed.

**Methos** · 07-10-2018 03:11 AM

Can't say I know what dream guides are. From my own experience I'd say most of them are reflections of the wiser self. I've yet to encounter a dream guide that I consider to be being outside of my self. I'm either too dense or just not lucky enough to encounter the mystical dream guides.

We also have to remember that anything in a dream ca be considered a dream guide because we can attach meaning to anything. Once, in a dream, I watched a rock float in water. When I woke up I thought it was all a stupid waste of my dream time. But upon further reflection, I took meaning from that rock. It made me realize something about my life that needed attending to.

**GordanFreeman** · 07-10-2018 04:20 PM

I don't think anything can be considered a dream guide. Very recently I tried to meet my guide. I tried to call him behind the first door I had seen, but he did not appear, so I started asking all DCs if they saw him, and they always told me they did not know who he was and to look elsewhere. That's why I tried to channel my guide through a random DC. I told him "I know you are him, come out to talk", but he began laughing and turning his eyes like a madman. I shaked him and told him to stop with his tricks. He stared at me and turned into something like a rodent, and bit me as he ran away, laughing. So I made a conclusion that DCs are just DCs and Dream Guide is unique being. I think dream guides have their own names and if you know their real name you can summon them anytime.

**lucidbunnie** · 07-10-2018 06:23 PM

Well dream guides and spirit guides are a tricky subject as our subjective interpretation of these entities may not be always be right. It can be colored by our desire, interpretations, and our views about how dreams work.

I have encountered my "guides" both in dreams and deep trance visualizations. I have 1 shadow self, 1 higher self (celestial), a celestial entity claiming to be my deceased significant other, several hyper-conscious entities (mostly benevolent), 6 elemental guardians (not all human-like, but have humanoid forms too), animal spirits (fawn), and a very human-like lady who came to me as a guide. I know all their names and have interacted with them. So, essentially all of these can be considered "guides". Some might even say they are just figment of my imagination. So, "guides" are a personal thing. If they are helping you, then good for you. ^^

**GordanFreeman** · 07-11-2018 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Well dream guides and spirit guides are a tricky subject as our subjective interpretation of these entities may not be always be right. It can be colored by our desire, interpretations, and our views about how dreams work.

I have encountered my "guides" both in dreams and deep trance visualizations. I have 1 shadow self, 1 higher self (celestial), a celestial entity claiming to be my deceased significant other, several hyper-conscious entities (mostly benevolent), 6 elemental guardians (not all human-like, but have humanoid forms too), animal spirits (fawn), and a very human-like lady who came to me as a guide. I know all their names and have interacted with them. So, essentially all of these can be considered "guides". Some might even say they are just figment of my imagination. So, "guides" are a personal thing. If they are helping you, then good for you. ^^

Let's leave spirit(celestial) guides aside and concentrate more on the "local" ones, because it's becoming too complicated. Maybe these HC entities are just "smart" DCs, I also encountered a lot of them. For the guardians and animal spirits maybe there are just projection of your own will to protect yourself. Are you name them or they tell you their own names. What remain is the lady guide, did she first came to you or you searched for her? Did she wanted to give you something? Did she used various ways to test you?

I also thought, that I have many guides, before certain event. If I have to list them: Asian Mid-30 Lady, Old Monk, mid-30 man and ..... ¿?¿, but I don't think that is the case. In my last encounter with "him", He came to me and make me lucid. He say that next we meet we must have a serious conversation, but I noticed something strange. He was shapeshifting. At first he was a granny then become a man -> lady -> young girl. I don't know if it was intentional and he wanted me to notice or it was incident. But I think dream guides doesn't have a form, they generate their form from your memories. So one can think he have many, but in fact it is only one.

**lucidbunnie** · 07-11-2018 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

Maybe these HC entities are just "smart" DCs, I also encountered a lot of them.

Sure, the hyper-conscious ones could be just part of myself i.e. dream characters. Then again it all comes to belief system. Do you believe there are non-physical entities out there? Do you believe these non-physical entities can show up in dreams? If You answered "yes" to both, then your belief system allows you to accept there can be more than aspect of yourself in dreams. Otherwise, even if they are actual non-physical entities not part of your psyche you will always believe them to be smart dream characters. As for me I just treat them as "entities" and not "characters" i.e. aspects of myself.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

For the guardians and animal spirits maybe there are just projection of your own will to protect yourself.

Of course, they could be just projections. I'm not going to convince you of otherwise. Remember what I mentioned in my previous post before your reply? "Some might even say they are just figment of my imagination. So, "guides" are a personal thing."

The Elemental Guardians claim to be sentient entities, but they are linked to my energy centers. Are you familiar with the chakra energy system? They taught them to me as energy centers.

Cardinal Core (akin to Root Chakra)
Harmony Core (akin to Sacral Chakra)
Drive Core (akin to Solar Plexus Chakra)
Life Core (akin to Heart Chakra)
Resonance Core (akin to Throat Chakra)
Insight Core (akin to Third-Eye Chakra)
Celestial Core (akin to Crown Chakra)

Anyway, let's leave it. It might be helpful to know I'm also a Level 3 Reiki Master.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

Are you name them or they tell you their own names.

They told me their own names and their specializations. I even gave some of them nicknames. I have the freedom to rename them, they'll respond to the name I feel comfortable for them. ^^

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

What remain is the lady guide, did she first came to you or you searched for her? Did she wanted to give you something? Did she used various ways to test you?

I was in a deep trance meditation when I first met her. She came to me on her own and introduced herself. She didn't use the words "guide" to describe herself but told me she's here to be my emotional support. I was experiencing effects of PTSD over the passing of my significant other when she came to me. She sometimes joins me in my dreams. She's there to be my emotional support, she doesn't test me. She does give me lot of advice.

So "guides" can just be part of you or maybe independent entities. It ultimately depends on your belief system.

**KarlaB18** · 07-11-2018 02:26 PM

Yes! My expert topic; Dream Guides. I have had a wide variety of dream guides in my dreams but first of all, I'll give the principle I use for dream guides in my dreaming universe. I believe my dream guides to cover different areas of guidance and mentorship depending on who the individual dream guide character is. Some are more focused on physical protection of the dreamer and other are focused on mental and sometimes spiritual development. By the way, whenever I mention "dreamer", that will be me.

Most dream guides that manifest in my dreams are created or hired and then reinforced and trained by me using various exercises in real life. There is only one dream guide that appeared without me pre-intending them in real life. I don't really focus on specific spiritual visions or celestial experiences, only what I can create in mostly non-lucid dreams but also lucid dreams when I do have them. I have really restricting and controlling parents in real life and so I use my dream guides as barrier between me and them. In real life, whenever I think about my dream guides, I am more calm and focused whenever I have to speak about something controversial with my parents. In my dreams, my dream guides will actually come to life and in a way and act as my second parents; sometimes even fending off my real parents when the dream alters them into a bad form. I still love my parents but I have to find a way to cope when things get too hard and controlling, so I found that having dream guides was a non-intrusive method that wouldn't physically affect anyone and boy how they have developed over time, becoming even a permanent friend, teacher and therapist in my dreams.

My main guide is Dreamy WB and her energy is centred on ensuring my mental and spiritual wellbeing. In her early days, she provided physical protection as well but now I have divided that role... Murray, who has been promoted to a dream guide (based on my custom dream laws), is responsible for my physical health. Dreamy WB has been altered so that she in no way resembles her real life counterpart in interaction attitude, but her culture and physical appearance has been kept the same. With Murray, there is no such thing as a real life counterpart. I got him from the Sly Cooper games and I love him the way he is, I think he's so charming and sweet. So he is really lucky, I have kept his appearance, personality and even relationships in-tact. To respect the gang relationship, I have promoted Sly and Bentley to be sub-guides who may also be known as the "emergency team" in my entry descriptions. I will describe sub-guides and maybe even guides in more detail tomorrow when it's not night time (currently 11:18 PM, my parents are rushing me off to bed)

I believe that to get the best insight on my dream guides, it is ideal to read some of my journal entries.
- To get an insight of Dreamy WB in her early days, read Dream No. 76 (first encounter with her!) and Dream No. 86
- To get an insight of Dreamy WB and her real life counterpart, read Dream No. 142 B
- To get an insight of Where Murray comes in, read Dream No. 257 A and B
- To get an insight of Dreamy WB in her advanced stage, read Dream No. 265, 261 A also demonstrates her new advanced, automatic appearances.
- To get an insight of combined dream guide interactions and intentions, read Dream No. 261 A and Dream No. 326 C
- To get an insight of all Cooper Gang member interactions, read Dream No. 258

On a last note, Lucidbunnie: I am fascinated when I read about your elemental energy aspects

So, if you are interested, I can elaborate more on the difference between guides and sub-guides in my laws and also introduce one or two other dream guide team members.

**GordanFreeman** · 07-11-2018 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Sure, the hyper-conscious ones could be just part of myself i.e. dream characters. Then again it all comes to belief system. Do you believe there are non-physical entities out there? Do you believe these non-physical entities can show up in dreams? If You answered "yes" to both, then your belief system allows you to accept there can be more than aspect of yourself in dreams. Otherwise, even if they are actual non-physical entities not part of your psyche you will always believe them to be smart dream characters. As for me I just treat them as "entities" and not "characters" i.e. aspects of myself.

OK. Well said and yes I do believe in entities, but one can't prove that they are astral entities or smart DCs unless he ask them directly.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Of course, they could be just projections. I'm not going to convince you of otherwise. Remember what I mentioned in my previous post before your reply? "Some might even say they are just figment of my imagination. So, "guides" are a personal thing."

I didn't mean that. What I mean is that, maybe they are part of your soul(not your subconscious), you created them, similar to shikigami.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

The Elemental Guardians claim to be sentient entities, but they are linked to my energy centers. Are you familiar with the chakra energy system? They taught them to me as energy centers.

• Cardinal Core (akin to Root Chakra)
• Harmony Core (akin to Sacral Chakra)
• Drive Core (akin to Solar Plexus Chakra)
• Life Core (akin to Heart Chakra)
• Resonance Core (akin to Throat Chakra)
• Insight Core (akin to Third-Eye Chakra)
• Celestial Core (akin to Crown Chakra)

Anyway, let's leave it. It might be helpful to know I'm also a Level 3 Reiki Master.

If they said that themself, I can not say otherwise. Sorry I'm not familiar with Chakra teachings(I only know them from ninja anime ;D) Reiki Master ?¿? Are you from Asia, China maybe or Japan? Where I live, I don't have access to such things.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

They told me their own names and their specializations. I even gave some of them nicknames. I have the freedom to rename them, they'll respond to the name I feel comfortable for them. ^^

I was in a deep trance meditation when I first met her. She came to me on her own and introduced herself. She didn't use the words "guide" to describe herself but told me she's here to be my emotional support. I was experiencing effects of PTSD over the passing of my significant other when she came to me. She sometimes joins me in my dreams. She's there to be my emotional support, she doesn't test me. She does give me lot of advice.

What is deep trance meditation? How you go in that state? Do you have some useful guide for this?

Mine also does not use the word if you read the example I have given. Can you share some of these advices it will be helpful, of course if there are not too personal.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

So "guides" can just be part of you or maybe independent entities. It ultimately depends on your belief system.

I think is a little more complicated than that. If we perceive that there are different layers of the soul, these guides(just a generic name) they can be one of these layers. Of course astral can exist too, that are not part of you. If you watch anime, I can give you a simple example. In Bleach(the name of anime) you can draw the power of your subconscious in the form of sword and as the relationship between you and your sub becomes stronger, the more power / knowledge you can acquire.

**GordanFreeman** · 07-11-2018 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by KarlaB18

Yes! My expert topic; Dream Guides. I have had a wide variety of dream guides in my dreams but first of all, I'll give the principle I use for dream guides in my dreaming universe. I believe my dream guides to cover different areas of guidance and mentorship depending on who the individual dream guide character is. Some are more focused on physical protection of the dreamer and other are focused on mental and sometimes spiritual development. By the way, whenever I mention "dreamer", that will be me.

Most dream guides that manifest in my dreams are created or hired and then reinforced and trained by me using various exercises in real life. There is only one dream guide that appeared without me pre-intending them in real life.

You said you created them, but this look more like a Tulpa than Dream Guide, isn't it?

**KarlaB18** · 07-12-2018 01:36 AM

After reading more online about what a tulpa is, I guess during the day they could be tulpas but at night they are dream guides. Now that you introduce the idea of a tulpa, this becomes complex. I still believe that they hold some principles of dream guides. Have a read of JadeGreen's dream guide wiki entry on DV Wiki, there is a good article there.

**lucidbunnie** · 07-12-2018 02:19 PM

I am familiar with Bleach and Naruto anime, I have watched them. Anime/manga have some interesting concepts, and the interesting part is that some of them are based on existing concepts or folklore.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

Sorry I'm not familiar with Chakra teachings(I only know them from ninja anime ;D) Reiki Master ?¿? Are you from Asia, China maybe or Japan? Where I live, I don't have access to such things.

The anime Naruto uses "chakra energy" all the time, but it's only loosely based on actual chakras. It's more of meridian lines than chakra, these are pathways for life energy to flow. This anime ignores each of the main chakra centers and their properties.

I am Asian, but not Japanese. I'm in-between places though mostly in Singapore. My Reiki Teacher is Japanese though. One of my elemental guardians gave me a phone number in a dream. I followed it up and ended up connecting with my reiki mentor. Most of my training was over skype, but we did meet up for level 1, level 2, and level 3 attunements. Reiki healing is essentially a type of energy healing fueled by healing intent. Reiki Masters serve as a conduit for universal energy to heal others. It works, I was able to improve my mom from being "dead on arrival" at the hospital to coma to miracle recovery according to doctors to now discharged and back home. Now that I seen it have an effect in an actual life-or-death situation I have no more doubts about that. I just wish I was a Reiki Master back when my significant other needed me most.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

What is deep trance meditation? How you go in that state? Do you have some useful guide for this?

I think I'll write a guide for that one day, but it'll take a lot of practice with trial and error before you can enter a conscious deep trance.

I'm one of those oddities who actually enjoy meditation. I been doing it since I was a toddler even before I realized what it was. I liked the clarity of thought and serenity that comes from meditation. So, I been pretty much meditating my whole life. Essentially deep trance meditation is like being in a very deep hypnosis, but self-induced. I haven't measured my brainwaves during these sessions, but I might go towards conscious theta or even delta. Visualizations in this state are very vivid and you'll be able to experience vivid dream-like visions.

Anyway, maybe my elemental guardians are a type of tulpa created by my subconsciousness functioning like Zangetsu in Ichigo's inner world from Bleach anime. ^^

**GordanFreeman** · 07-12-2018 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

I am familiar with Bleach and Naruto anime, I have watched them. Anime/manga have some interesting concepts, and the interesting part is that some of them are based on existing concepts or folklore.

That is the second reason why I watch them.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

The anime Naruto uses "chakra energy" all the time, but it's only loosely based on actual chakras. It's more of meridian lines than chakra, these are pathways for life energy to flow. This anime ignores each of the main chakra centers and their properties.

Once unlocked sharingan/byakugan type of vision in an obe and I was able to see flow of energy in people in radius of 2km. It was amazing.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

I am Asian, but not Japanese. I'm in-between places though mostly in Singapore. My Reiki Teacher is Japanese though. One of my elemental guardians gave me a phone number in a dream. I followed it up and ended up connecting with my reiki mentor. Most of my training was over skype, but we did meet up for level 1, level 2, and level 3 attunements. Reiki healing is essentially a type of energy healing fueled by healing intent. Reiki Masters serve as a conduit for universal energy to heal others. It works, I was able to improve my mom from being "dead on arrival" at the hospital to coma to miracle recovery according to doctors to now discharged and back home. Now that I seen it have an effect in an actual life-or-death situation I have no more doubts about that. I just wish I was a Reiki Master back when my significant other needed me most.

It seems my remote viewing is somewhat working, I saw Japanese face and Chinese people, but that was the best I can do in alpha state. Singapore has 75% chinese. I hope you become a famous reiki master in the future and have your own students.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

I think I'll write a guide for that one day, but it'll take a lot of practice with trial and error before you can enter a conscious deep trance.

I'm one of those oddities who actually enjoy meditation. I been doing it since I was a toddler even before I realized what it was. I liked the clarity of thought and serenity that comes from meditation. So, I been pretty much meditating my whole life. Essentially deep trance meditation is like being in a very deep hypnosis, but self-induced. I haven't measured my brainwaves during these sessions, but I might go towards conscious theta or even delta. Visualizations in this state are very vivid and you'll be able to experience vivid dream-like visions.

You sounded a lot like me, but instead of meditation put a Lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Anyway, maybe my elemental guardians are a type of tulpa created by my subconsciousness functioning like Zangetsu in Ichigo's inner world from Bleach anime. ^^

I must admit that, I'm a little afraid of what tulpa is.

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