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      Entity abducted me from my dream

      Hi,
      Last night I had an astral experience.

      It began as a normal dream in which I was driving a car back to home. Suddenly in front of me, out of nowhere a giant mirror like portal appeared and I drove through him. It transferred me at other planet, real or imaginary, but I believe it was a imaginary one. Everything around me was like a dead wasteland and wad filled with hundreds of man like creatures, which had grey skin and red eyes. They were roaming like zombies with no direction or orientation and they acted like they can't notice me. They were looking kind intimidating and scary, so my first thought that came to me was they are going to attack me and the moment that happen they start attacking me for real, from all over directions, I tried to run down them with my car, but they were too many, my car couldn't start anymore, they broke my glasses with the intention to reach me, they were howling at me. I got out from the glass rooftop and start kicking and punching them out of the car rooftop in win or lose situation. An idea suddenly came to me that maybe they are sensing my fear and attack, and with nothing else to do I follow the idea and stopped all of my emotions, suddenly all creatures stopped at their tracks and were moving aimlessly again like they couldn't sense me, I immediately thought so everything of this was just a test and used my blank state of mind or like some call it, the zen state. I closed my eyes and just let go of everything and began to fall backwards. The moment I hit the floor, the entire planet surface folded into fours, like made from paper, they I saw the entire planet did the same from orbit, then saw the entire galaxy fold in four all around me and just like that I open my eyes sitting on a chair.

      The chair was made from strange material and was oval in nature like egg. I was in completely empty room with strange symbol's all over the walls, which I couldn't read. Starting from the chair they were a path with glowing symbols that were changing constantly like a countdown to something, at the end of that path of symbols, on the wall there was doorlike portal. I got to it and touch it, a sensation hit my mind, it was a Doorway to the fifth dimension, the entities were giving me a choice to abandon my physical body and to join them in fifth dimension and there was a countdown to my response. The test I passed served as a sign that I was ready to join their ranks. I moved my hand through the portal, but couldn't do it, I still have things to accomplish on this side, I conveyed my answer to them through my thoughts and sat back on the chair. The chair began to move and little before I leave this space a entity appeared next to the portal, which bowed his head a little and waved his hand for goodbye and gone through the portal. When I left this space I immediately woke up in my bed.
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      Hey Michael,

      Thanks for sharing. I do love your posts. This is definitively reminiscent of Carlo's Castenada's own invitation to leave the material world behind during his astral adventures. I find it interesting that this is a common experience for people exploring the astral planes.

      To be clear, I do invite positive astral entities into my dreams, or convey my willingness to accept an invitation in the astral plane, before going to sleep once in while. But that experience has still been denied to me, or perhaps I've been blind to it. So, I do not have the astral perspective and it's not meant to be disrespectful, though I do understand it can come across that way. I do apologize for that.

      So my question is this. When you dream yourself on a planet and question whether it's imagined or real. That's interesting. And I think it's very common. To be in a dream or even in a lucid dream and be confused. Is this imagined? Is this real? It must be imagined because it's so odd, and I am sleeping. Yet, it feels real. Because we always accept our experience as real. Even if we tell ourselves that our waking life is much more like an illusion than reality, we still have to respond to our material needs and play our social roles. It is very hard to do anything but live as if our experiences are real. I'd even argue that those who approach waking life as if it were a dream, might feel dreams to seem more real than others.

      I sometimes wonder. On one side, I know what dreams are. On the other, I'd love an astral adventure. If dreams are dreams, I need to train myself to experience the dream for what it is: not a material experience (though it is a sensory experience, perhaps sensual). But is this attitude, though more inclined to be a lucid state of mind, barring me from experiencing the astral?

      If the dream is a dream, what is this -invitation to the astral- dream? Does it make sense to explain it as a normal possible dream behaviour that happens when accepting the dream as real?

      For example, I think that treating DCs as real people when lucid dreaming gives them an antagonistic nature (if you expect them to act real, they will reject being told they are not real). I think "dream police" is often a response to using "real" judgement on the "odd" behaviours and states we might find ourselves in during the dream (I shouldn't be here, I shouldn't be doing this. The guilt, the oddness, invites a correctional authority figure).

      So now, if one embraces the whole dream as real, however odd it might be, don't we feel we have traveled somewhere new? Doesn't it feel exciting, formal. So different, it must be irreversible? Is it that accepting the oddity gives a feeling of travel, that requires going through customs? Is this - customs - dream narrative a block in the dream? Like the antagonistic DCs and the dream police, we are also susceptible to this customs dream. Instead of communicating with your unconscious, exploring yourself, playing with current ideas, fulfilling fantasies, etc... we are now scared to dream because, we are going through customs... maybe forever, leaving everything normal and material behind. It's so scary and so unreasonable to say "Yes, I want to go and accept I won't be waking up in waking life" that you deny yourself the continuation of lucidity and/or of dreaming. Waking up with a cool dream nonetheless. Yet, cheated away from some real exploration?

      Does this make sense or is it farfetched? I wish I could experiment with this but I'm not getting this kind of dream, so i guess it's not for me to play around with yet.
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      I think you and the man that give you a like make one cardinal mistake about AP dream, you call it real, but AP isn't more real than a lucid dream, because you first must face the reality of a LD. In that regard AP is mind projection on higher frequency dream planes, which are all connected. I'm always giving that example when asked what is the connection between LD and AP: Imagine that a LD is your house(your mind) and AP is City outside, going out from your house you are turning your LD into an AP, of course sometimes an entity can come to your house to play. So the difference between LD and AP can't be Black and White, more like everything is grey. You can say that AP is similar to Shared Dreaming, just on much larger scale. I found there is not much of difference in rules, just everything is a lot more stable and hard to change, because of the collective mind power and contrary to your thinking AP is a LD with higher awareness, instead of the opposite.

      If you want to know more you can visit Astral Projection subreddit, there are many people like you, more on the sceptic side, so you can ask a lot of questions without feeling left behind.

      And to your last question, why I believe in AP without any reservations, I'm asking you what you are gonna do if you have lucid dreams that you just marked as normal dream experience(like me) only to see they happen for real in the future, many times.
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      Hahaha, the "man that gave me a like" didn't make any statement or make any cardinal mistakes haha. And I am glad you did answer! I really like your response, it does clarify things. I'm for sure not looking for more skeptics. I wouldn't even call myself a skeptic here. If someone asks "is this real," the only answer one can hope for at this moment is "go try it out to find out for yourself" and I guess I have done that so I do not talk as a skeptic but rather as a conscious dreaming practitioner and I want to discuss with such people to have constructive conversations on our experiences and explorations. I'll confess I am a bit bored with the astral conversations I've read and this is my attempt at a conversation that stimulates me.

      I'd like to clarify that my post was not trying to say "AP is not real" but rather "I feel like there is an inherent dilemma trying to practice LD and AP (because for LD you have to know everything is just you and nothing else whereas for AP you know not everything is just you)". I think this is a very important discussion to have and it's unrelated to AP skepticism, not directly anyway.

      So, your answer helps me understand: Don't think of astral experiences and dream experiences as separate experiences. Neither is more 'real' than the other. Astral experiences simply contain higher vibrations. I will remember this. I think I recently posted something relevant to this...

      I guess I did wonder about all this and I posted this in a thread I started, in which I discussed about both the good and bad of perceiving the dream as coming from within or from without:
      So now, I wonder, what if in the midst of a dream, you hold the perspective that not only you are so connected to the dream, it is you, but also that you are similarly connected to what is outside of you? As in, every entity in the world is connected, is one. As in, you are yourself a reflection of a bigger whole.
      and I think this is what you must mean by both experiences are as real as one another. Because you don't seem to think there's much a stretch between our connection with our within and our connection with our without.

      Yet, my learning is like a spiral and I am kind of condemned to unlearn and relearn my same lessons so here I am trying to come to that same conclusion again...


      I have had a few dreams that came to be true in the future... and these have been surprising experiences. I feel like the likelihood of them being a coincidence is low. I don't really know what to think of it. Sometimes I feel like it means the Whole of everything has a Will (a direction it's going) and it can communicate through randomness and coincidences. These dreams make me feel like I communicated with the Universe, saw the direction things were going. Yet, there is no distinction between these dreams and normal dreams so they have no utility further than this sense of connectedness and alignment with the Universe.

      If the presence of this -higher connectedness- denotes an - astral - experience, then okay, I can get that. If this is a real phenomenon beyond my human proclivity to assign meaning and underestimate probability for coincidences, then I should assume most dreams are influenced by this -higher connectedness- to some level.

      If this is so... I guess the understanding of the dream I want to have going into a dream is that the experience is in my mind. Purely sensations with no stimulus. Some sensations are more random, some belong to stronger and more relevant connections, associations and expectations within my psyche. Also, there's my connection with the Universe which is as present as ever.

      So, if I find a portal in a dream. The portal can be a random idea passing through (no meaning assigned). It can be a consciously relevant idea (ex. I am very focused on a game with portals at that moment). It can be an subconsciously relevant idea (ex. I need to make a transition in my life and fear it or I'm getting prepared to do it). I might be aligned with higher vibrations (something outside, the Universe, 'connects' me with the portal, maybe because it's relevant to me personally or not, like it could be relevant to others for example).

      This is a lot, I guess, for the sleeping mind to process... but I guess that's the lucid dreamer's challenge. I get that it's not necessary to understand as it happens but any attempt at lucidity and self-awareness must at least attempt to organize some of this (not in a limiting way, but in a clarifying way).

      I already communicate with the Universe in my waking life (or have some sense of it anyway) and I do use Tarot cards to aid that process. I see how I can also use dreams as a medium to experience that.

      Yet, I find it interesting to note certain patterns like the famous Dream Police and see how these dream behaviors originate from lack of lucidity despite happening to lucid people. I still lean on thinking the particular dream experience I call the -Customs-, with entities giving a choice to exit one's physical body, is such a distraction. I think whatever you choose during that dream, you wake up in your physical body. I think it's important to talk about because this segment of the dream is probably a low vibration part of the dream. I think it's more about fear... fear of not experiencing or feeling the body for example. Anyway, the 3 lucid distractions I have identified are the Dream Deniers, Dream Police, and the Dream Customs which I feel are low vibration and take up space in peoples lucid experiences like weeds in a garden. So that's why I bring them up.

      Anyway, as always, thanks for discussing these things with me!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post
      Hahaha, the "man that gave me a like" didn't make any statement or make any cardinal mistakes haha
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      Hahahaha actually he did!
      I'm not sure when or why I said things about using Delta for AP, Dream-Sharing, or connecting to supernatural planes (I would normally include supernatural planes in the AP category, BTW, and also can't believe I used those words), but I've no time to read through the thread, so I'll assume that I did. I'm guessing I was trying to "sell" the concept of exploring Delta to the AP'ers and dream-sharers out there. I've never been a fan of AP (it seems more an engine for self-delusion than exploration



      And I am glad you did answer! I really like your response, it does clarify things. I'm for sure not looking for more skeptics. I wouldn't even call myself a skeptic here. If someone asks "is this real," the only answer one can hope for at this moment is "go try it out to find out for yourself" and I guess I have done that so I do not talk as a skeptic but rather as a conscious dreaming practitioner and I want to discuss with such people to have constructive conversations on our experiences and explorations.
      And I'm glad you reply, but I can not say the same. You wrote so much, but didn't say anything new, it sounded just like a broken record. That's why I said to visit the AP subreddit, read tutorials and ask healthy questions, because here we are just skidding on one place.

      . I'd like to clarify that my post was not trying to say "AP is not real" but rather "I feel like there is an inherent dilemma trying to practice LD and AP (because for LD you have to know everything is just you and nothing else whereas for AP you know not everything is just you)". I think this is a very important discussion to have and it's unrelated to AP skepticism, not directly anyway.
      Open your window and look around, I'm sorry but you are not the center of the universe. Only a skeptic can say that, everyone can have some degree of healthy skepticism, but at some point is starting to turn into ignorance.

      1)Non-Lucid dream - awareness - 0
      2)Vivid Non-Lucid dream - awareness - 1
      3)Semi-Lucid dream - awareness - 2
      4)Lucid dream - awareness - 35
      5)Vivid Lucid dream - awareness - 67
      6)Astral Projection - awareness 810
      7)OBE/NDE - awareness - 10+

      You are at 4) right now, to experience true AP you must work on your awareness, take your time, do not rush it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      Hahahaha actually he did!
      Cool, a quote from 2016. Let me read up a bit on it.

      Oh, you left out the end of his sentence:

      I've never been a fan of AP (it seems more an engine for self-delusion than exploration; and conversely, isn't every dream sort of an AP/OBE?
      And I'll focus on the following part: "an engine for self-delusion," not a self-delusion. I'll presume this is aligned with the point I tried to make but won't repeat in case I sound like a broken record.
      If you look at the conversation in 2015, Patience dreamed she felt a presence and asked "Who are you?" The presence answered in English that they were the Universe and "Oh, how did you see me, I thought I was invisible!" which is a great experience and possibly involved -higher vibrations- yet somewhat comical and probably influenced by some -lower vibrations.- It's in this sense that Sageous is cautious of perceiving -lower vibrations- as -higher vibrations- because this detracts from the higher vibrations. His suggestion or solution for this problem in the thread was to interpret the -higher vibrations- well after the dream, and during the day.

      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      And I'm glad you reply, but I can not say the same. You wrote so much, but didn't say anything new, it sounded just like a broken record. That's why I said to visit the AP subreddit, read tutorials and ask healthy questions, because here we are just skidding on one place.
      Damn, I'm receiving strong criticism. I'll work on not being a broken record, though I think I failed in this response again... oops.

      Reddit doesn't work for me. I like Dreamviews because it feels like a community. You get to feel you know the people who post here. And people on reddit don't quote each other from 2016 so I like that we can do that here. It was a fun reread and I was around back then so it's enjoyable to see the continuity.

      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      Open your window and look around, I'm sorry but you are not the center of the universe. Only a skeptic can say that, everyone can have some degree of healthy skepticism, but at some point is starting to turn into ignorance.
      Well in a dream, yes, you are the center of the experience, or that's the consensus at least.

      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      1)Non-Lucid dream - awareness - 0
      2)Vivid Non-Lucid dream - awareness - 1
      3)Semi-Lucid dream - awareness - 2
      4)Lucid dream - awareness - 35
      5)Vivid Lucid dream - awareness - 67
      6)Astral Projection - awareness 810
      7)OBE/NDE - awareness - 10+

      You are at 4) right now, to experience true AP you must work on your awareness, take your time, do not rush it.
      Well, I had OBE-experiences but outside of being particularly trippy, it didn't feel like a particularly elevated experience. And I did have precognitive dreams so I guess that's in the lines of AP. But no, there is no rush.

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      . And I'll focus on the following part: "an engine for self-delusion," not a self-delusion
      WoW

      All further discussion seems rather pointless, !admin close the thread, please!

      P.S. I will try to refrain myself from posting non-dream related content around here from this point on!
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