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      Anyways, this dream sharing group is awesome. I think we've already had some hits. Can't wait to get lucid with them. Anyone else want to share stories about dream sharing groups?
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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      I didn't know Ego's run in pairs
      What did I do to you? I'm sorry am I missing something here?
      Last edited by Lang; 06-25-2020 at 02:09 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      What did I do to you?
      You are excused, sorry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      I don't see Dreamviews as reliable source anyway. I'm using many spiritual forums BTW!

      If you admit this as insult towards you, you really must think more carefully on your behaviour, because your Ego is so large that Milky way soon is going to blow up in Supernova, I read a lot of yours conflicts with other members around the forum. If you have some personal issues with me, you always can PM.
      I have no personal issues with you, Michael, though I wonder a bit why you wish I did. If not me and Lang, then who exactly were you insulting? What, as Lang asked, exactly did we do to you?

      There will be no PM's. Enjoy your assumed superiority, Michael; I'm sure it will serve you well.

      BTW: If you understood what ego really was, then you would understand why I would be delighted if mine had the power of a supernova
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post

      Enjoy your assumed superiority, Michael; I'm sure it will serve you well.
      I don't desire any superiority, you can keep it for yourself.
      BTW: If you understood what ego really was, then you would understand why I would be delighted if mine had the power of a supernove
      That only confirm my statement, thank you!

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      ^^ You know, I think it's funny that over my years here the only people who accuse me of the things you did (based only on a "like," BTW; I barely posted on this thread) are always the ones who either just insulted someone else or attempted to establish themselves as our Better.

      It's a shame that you can't comprehend terms like "ego," and the real energy encassed in them, but what can we do?

      Take care, Michael, and I hope that one day you actually attain the wisdom and experience that might permit you to speak to others the way you currently do.

      Now, all my apologies for abetting Michaels's rupture of this thread; maybe we can fix it by reposting MoonageDaydream?:

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      Anyways, this dream sharing group is awesome. I think we've already had some hits. Can't wait to get lucid with them. Anyone else want to share stories about dream sharing groups?

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      ^^Pathetic:X

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      You know, Iím tempted to join whenever thereís a call to start one of these, but until I have a sleep environment thatís even half-decent and no other areas of life immediately demanding my attention, I feel like it would just be an exercise in frustration.

      For what itís worth, Iíve had both lucid and non-lucid dreams that I believed were shared at the time, some of them with other members of Dreamviews. I donít post those in my journal, though Ė or if I do, I leave out the names. It would be incredible if they really were shared, but it also has the potential to be massively awkward when nobody was trying for it.

      Maybe it comes from being a creative artist as well as a person interested in more esoteric areas of consciousness, but for me, a good deal of the appeal of shared dreaming is the idea of getting to know people with different ways of looking at things and getting to see in perhaps the most dramatic way possible just how their perspectives are different from mine. The differences are at least as interesting as the commonalities Ė and if this thread is any indication, there certainly seem to be a variety of differences in this group.

      And so Iím not planning to join in Ė this time. But I do encourage those who are participating not to take their own perceptions too seriously Ė first and foremost, because youíre unlikely to be able to find any instances of shared dreaming without being able to identify your own cognitive and imaginative styles as they manifest in your dreams and appreciate those of other dreamers as they manifest in theirs. I say this as a Buddhist who spent last nightís dream getting briefed by the goddess Athena alongside a group of satyrs, albeit ones who were indistinguishable from regular guys. But in any case, itís useful to be able to separate the style and substance Ė and taking your own perspectives with a grain of salt also goes a long way towards getting along with others.

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      ^^ Thank you for posting something productive and positive. I also apologize to Psionik, I should have used more restraint and respect in my earlier post.


      It's been exciting so far. I don't know how much I'm allowed to share, but last night was awesome. Another group member found me in his lucid dream, and what he reported just blew my mind. This coming after another group member's amazing report. Also, we're sharing each others' HI Audio (basically, what I've been describing in the trance state). All I can say is that it seems to me that there is overlap between our own subconscious material, and .. well.. the subconscious of other people. Can't wait to see what else happens.
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      MoonageDaydream i dont feel insulted by these arguments. I just find them a bit shallow. Because due to nature of these experiences it is hard to judge the reality of them. When I m out of body or during LD i dont do anything what would i find of questionable nature. The conscience is much stronger when out of body, than in this state of mind.
      Also to judge ones experience is very easy. Here. When i think about my experiences i can judge them, but not there. When I'm over there it is a bit different me, given the changed consciousness. I can doubt reality of them here. But I can't doubt it there. Because there i feel more real and substantial than here.
      It is completely unlike to LD. In LD i know sharply, that I am not in real but in imaginary environment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      MoonageDaydream i dont feel insulted by these arguments. I just find them a bit shallow. Because due to nature of these experiences it is hard to judge the reality of them. When I m out of body or during LD i dont do anything what would i find of questionable nature. The conscience is much stronger when out of body, than in this state of mind.
      Also to judge ones experience is very easy. Here. When i think about my experiences i can judge them, but not there. When I'm over there it is a bit different me, given the changed consciousness. I can doubt reality of them here. But I can't doubt it there. Because there i feel more real and substantial than here.
      It is completely unlike to LD. In LD i know sharply, that I am not in real but in imaginary environment.
      I'm glad you don't feel insulted. I would ask that we leave it there, and move on from that discussion, returning to the main topic of shared dreaming. Just so that we don't slip back into what just happened last night. YKWIM?

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      No problem for me.

      Still, I believe that shared OBE has better chance to exist than shared dream. I had a few experiences that could rate as weak evidences.
      In one I have met my brother whom I taught how to do OBE. He confirmed meeting, still his version was a bit different from what I observed.
      In second I have met with my soulmate(I didn't write that experience in DJ) which she didn't confirm, but the described environment we were in and which was known to her and unknown to me.
      In third I have met with other girl-friend at college- she was in real world but I was with her in astral and described what she did in the real world. (I'm not sure whether this could be shared experience since it somehow expects both person to met over in astral)
      There were also some premonitions I experienced months to years before they happened.

      I consider all these experiences as weak proofs. For something solid I require repeatability.

      Did you experience something similar? In LD or OBE?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      In second I have met with my soulmate(I didn't write that experience in DJ) which she didn't confirm, but the described environment we were in and which was known to her and unknown to me.

      Did you experience something similar? In LD or OBE?
      That's what we're experiencing as well. When he sought me out lucidly, he described what was going on for me, basically my dream. He discovered what RC method I use as well, without knowing - although I failed to become lucid in his dream. Now, I didn't have that dream to my knowledge (although that night I didn't remember my dreams, as I was resetting my schedule, and had to get up early). Still, the information he brought was relevant to my life, and he could not have known. It blew my mind. He definitely tapped into something there.

      I'm getting the impression that with all of this stuff (dreaming, HI, OBE, LD), it's not usually an exact shared experience. Although that has been known to happen, as you know. But, we are looking at some shared information being passed around. This may not seem like much to you or others, but to me, this is nothing short of amazing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      That's what we're experiencing as well. When he sought me out lucidly, he described what was going on for me, basically my dream. He discovered what RC method I use as well, without knowing - although I failed to become lucid in his dream. Now, I didn't have that dream to my knowledge (although that night I didn't remember my dreams, as I was resetting my schedule, and had to get up early). Still, the information he brought was relevant to my life, and he could not have known. It blew my mind. He definitely tapped into something there.

      I'm getting the impression that with all of this stuff (dreaming, HI, OBE, LD), it's not usually an exact shared experience. Although that has been known to happen, as you know. But, we are looking at some shared information being passed around. This may not seem like much to you or others, but to me, this is nothing short of amazing.
      It amazes me too. I have tried many times to pull close people into astral(soulmate, wife, daughters, brother these people are closest to me. I didn't try that with my mother yet, but I would try to pull her to visit my few years dead father if possible- but I need to know if I can- I will know that intuitively when the time comes), and seemingly I was successful a few times. Only seemingly. You see, I have found that if I push enough energy into sleep zombie of person, then the person may become awake. But I don't heave positive proof of that in real world. Basically what happens is, when I fill the sleep zombie with energy it can wake up and stop to behave erratically. It is possible to communicate with that person then and it reacts and acts normally. But afterwards the person doesn't know anything. The meeting with brother might be successful because he too was out of body on his own power. He isn't that experienced though. His interest lies in area which (in my opinion) lays dangerously close to lucid dreaming. He uses imagination too much because he likes to do things... he likes action. My own experiences from past taught me that that way is not what leads higher... When I think about it now, it is maybe the cause why he isn't doing OBE much. There was time in past when I was thinking about why do I continue training. That it is lost energy. For naught. But I have found better way: There is no end goal. There is only the walk, the travel. I need to teach myself to travel further. To stay longer. That way is my goal. And thanks to it, the goal is there- unreachable and reachable at the same time. Damn... I'm again philosophising. This is what my wife finds very boring on me. I start to speak what my inner feeling whispers... and I don't know where to end.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      It amazes me too. I have tried many times to pull close people into astral(soulmate, wife, daughters, brother these people are closest to me. I didn't try that with my mother yet, but I would try to pull her to visit my few years dead father if possible- but I need to know if I can- I will know that intuitively when the time comes), and seemingly I was successful a few times. Only seemingly. You see, I have found that if I push enough energy into sleep zombie of person, then the person may become awake. But I don't heave positive proof of that in real world. Basically what happens is, when I fill the sleep zombie with energy it can wake up and stop to behave erratically. It is possible to communicate with that person then and it reacts and acts normally. But afterwards the person doesn't know anything. The meeting with brother might be successful because he too was out of body on his own power. He isn't that experienced though. His interest lies in area which (in my opinion) lays dangerously close to lucid dreaming. He uses imagination too much because he likes to do things... he likes action. My own experiences from past taught me that that way is not what leads higher... When I think about it now, it is maybe the cause why he isn't doing OBE much. There was time in past when I was thinking about why do I continue training. That it is lost energy. For naught. But I have found better way: There is no end goal. There is only the walk, the travel. I need to teach myself to travel further. To stay longer. That way is my goal. And thanks to it, the goal is there- unreachable and reachable at the same time. Damn... I'm again philosophising. This is what my wife finds very boring on me. I start to speak what my inner feeling whispers... and I don't know where to end.
      I don't find your philosophizing boring, although I might not always agree with you. Keep in mind that your brother may not be seeking the same thing you are (to go 'higher'). And he may be on a different path than you.

      That is interesting what you say about waking people up in ld/astral.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      I don't find your philosophizing boring, although I might not always agree with you. Keep in mind that your brother may not be seeking the same thing you are (to go 'higher'). And he may be on a different path than you.

      That is interesting what you say about waking people up in ld/astral.
      Yes his path may be different. Without reaching to spiritual path. He doesn't train(he said that) and travels only seldom.If I did the same I would say waste of potential. But maybe, I'm wasting the time when I could sleep. The life could be simpler.

      In LD it doesn't feel to work. I mean, the sleeping zombies are much less frequent, the imagination isn't that checked... When the imagination is rampant, how can I have controlled experiment? I mean it is all imagination... I started to try LD only to try shared experiences. But it didn't satisfy my expectations. I try it from time to time still.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      Yes his path may be different. Without reaching to spiritual path. He doesn't train(he said that) and travels only seldom.If I did the same I would say waste of potential. But maybe, I'm wasting the time when I could sleep. The life could be simpler.

      In LD it doesn't feel to work. I mean, the sleeping zombies are much less frequent, the imagination isn't that checked... When the imagination is rampant, how can I have controlled experiment? I mean it is all imagination... I started to try LD only to try shared experiences. But it didn't satisfy my expectations. I try it from time to time still.
      Just because he doesn't do what you do does not mean he is not on a spiritual path. Or that he is not progressing on that path.

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      Another thing. I want to add that what you've been describing is very a self-focused kind of skill. Nothing wrong with that, it's a path of knowledge to be sure, but it's only one path. Another spiritual path, one I respect more, is living your life for compassion. To help others; to make a difference in their lives. And growing on that path may have absolutely nothing to do with astral projection. I don't know if this is the case with your brother, I just want to give you another perspective.

      We should probably steer back to shared dreaming.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      Another thing. I want to add that what you've been describing is very a self-focused kind of skill. Nothing wrong with that, it's a path of knowledge to be sure, but it's only one path. Another spiritual path, one I respect more, is living your life for compassion. To help others; to make a difference in their lives. And growing on that path may have absolutely nothing to do with astral projection. I don't know if this is the case with your brother, I just want to give you another perspective.

      We should probably steer back to shared dreaming.
      I don't know. When you are working your way it is not communal work. What you don't do yourself you don't reach. Is this selfocused? Like when you are learning in school? Would you say your children: look I learned the poem for you, you don't need to learn it anymore? Or I made your math homework you don't need to do it yourself! No! Nobody will lay your path for you. You need to work on it all alone in this case. If there is life after death then nothing we do physical will prepare us for that. Only inner spiritual growth.

      I can't stop to think that you have somehow wrong impression. I do all this when everybody is sleeping. So it is my own time I spent. I normally go to sleep at midnight and I need to get up at 6. It is close to impossible to find time because I have to go to work, then to be with 4 children and my wife too needs my help. From those 6 hours of sleeping time I take 1-3 hours for training (deep relaxation and concentration is not exhausting for me, it relaxes body and mind too). Is this what you call selfocused existence? I call it life of parent.

      I asked brother an hour ago when we were together about this- he stopped to work on this entirely. He had one spontaneous lucid dream this year and that is all. I don't call this spiritual path. Nor I would admonish him for abandoning the way. But if I did the same I wouldn't reach to the stars (so to say), all the years ago. I wouldn't be part of this forum since I would have nothing to share with you guys.
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      So I was finally able to get lucid last night, and visited 2 of my dream group members.

      All I can say, upon sharing results with each other, is...

      Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God!

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      I'm glad that people are getting back on topic here.

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      So I was finally able to get lucid last night, and visited 2 of my dream group members.

      All I can say, upon sharing results with each other, is...

      Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God!
      Congrats!! Moonage Daydreamer Glad to hear that you are getting results! Is it what you guys exact it to be?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
      I'm glad that people are getting back on topic here.



      Congrats!! Moonage Daydreamer Glad to hear that you are getting results! Is it what you guys exact it to be?
      So a week ago one of the members had a HI visual of me, and she described my appearance accurately. That was cool. Also tapped into some other things about me, things she could not have known.

      Last night I went and visited her. I described the dream to her, including what she looked like. I've never seen a picture of her. My astonishment when today she told me what she looks like. Even the pink highlights I saw in my dream. Everything was a match. Amazing. And the dream content made sense with what was going on with her the day before.

      This is so amazing. I can't wait, now, for us to both be lucid at the same time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      My understanding is that the picture and sound aspect of the shared dream is for the most part private, not shared. The shared dream 'location' is not a real place in that sense, it is more of a symbol that helps people establish the underlying connection. The nature of that connection, so far as I'm aware, is empathy. You actually become the other person a little bit, you share their mind a little bit. This requires some courage in openness, though I don't think that such courage is always an unqualified virtue. Sometimes such openness is reckless, the psychological equivalent of walking around naked in a bad part of town at night, or intentionally exposing yourself to germs during a pandemic.

      Psionik has said he focuses his attempts on people he's already close to and trusts, which makes sense in that regard. I've done most of my experiments with strangers, because it is a lot easier to prove that some information has really been exchanged if you don't know anything about the other person ahead of time. Also, more importantly, when I first meet someone, there is a lot more potential of what has not yet been shared. With people I already know, there's no reason to have the shared dream, because there's no substantial new content to be shared. For the most part it is the potential for new sharing that creates the dream, not an act of will to have the dream. I have had a few connected dreams with one of my sisters, but she has lived thousands of miles from me since she was about 4 years old, so its a mixed example in that regard.

      For me, the inspiration behind a dream is primarily a desire to find answers to personal philosophical problems. That's what turns my crank at a relatively deep level. So if there's something about the other person which can teach me something that's relevant to my questions, and they're open and there's a compatible motive on their end, then the dream is most likely to happen. Consciously I don't do anything to make it happen, I just decide what the topic should be, and it happens the next night or it doesn't.

      Dream premonitions are very closely related to whatever reality makes shared dreaming work. Actually, I started off having a lot of premonitions, and noticed that there's always a shared element to such dreams, then I started focusing more on that. The connection in the dream is outside of time in some sense. So it is not necessary for both people to be dreaming at the same time, and I never attempt to coordinate that, I just aim to have the dream on the same night so that it doesn't get mixed up as much with other dream interactions with other people.

      Other people emphasize other aspects of 'shared dreaming', and don't describe it the way I do, but that's what it is for me.
      This is wonderful!, I believe now is the time!
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      Just wanted to report that we had some major hits last night. I was able to get lucid, visited one of the dream sharing group members. She reported having a non lucid dream of me last night, with some overlapping details! Additionally, amazing hits on some of the other details in my lucid dream to her waking life. Stuff I had no idea about, details I thought were irrelevant... Then she goes and tells me stuff happening with her, and then the details make complete sense! I hadn't even shared those details with her yet, when she told me. There is definitely information being passed around in the dream state!

      This is so much fun.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      Just wanted to report that we had some major hits last night. I was able to get lucid, visited one of the dream sharing group members. She reported having a non lucid dream of me last night, with some overlapping details! Additionally, amazing hits on some of the other details in my lucid dream to her waking life. Stuff I had no idea about, details I thought were irrelevant... Then she goes and tells me stuff happening with her, and then the details make complete sense! I hadn't even shared those details with her yet, when she told me. There is definitely information being passed around in the dream state!

      This is so much fun.
      Awesome!

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