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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      I was not speaking about emotion suppression. I was speaking about balancing them and make them quiet. I didn't have success with OBE till I didn't learn how to manage the emotions and thought process. I didn't know how to stabilize OBE, to experience it for long time, till I didn't manage to make the emotions still more balanced and more quiet.
      With relaxation and concentration I don't suppress things. I let them free. And stop care about them, with that the emotions have nothing to feed from... so they weaken and stay mild. With that I can say we are not our emotions. Those emotions are part of us, but they are something which can impede spiritual growth.
      I agree that in a lucid dream or astral projection situation, emotions can cause you to lose dream stability. Yes.

      But, I diverge when you say that emotions impede spiritual growth. In fact, they lead you back to love, if you can understand them (often having roots in early childhood traumas that need to be reprocessed *Edit: I don't think any people have zero traumas to be honest*). They are the key to spiritual growth.

      OK. I gotta go no to my board gaming group See you later!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      I was not speaking about emotion suppression. I was speaking about balancing them and make them quiet. I didn't have success with OBE till I didn't learn how to manage the emotions and thought process. I didn't know how to stabilize OBE, to experience it for long time, till I didn't manage to make the emotions still more balanced and more quiet.
      With relaxation and concentration I don't suppress things. I let them free. And stop care about them, with that the emotions have nothing to feed from... so they weaken and stay mild. With that I can say we are not our emotions. Those emotions are part of us, but they are something which can impede spiritual growth.
      One more thing. I feel as if this conversation took a turn and has some negative vibes going on. I want to let you know that, while we both have strong beliefs in this area, I do respect you and your thoughts. We don't have to agree to be friends, I hope.

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      I accept that our ways are different. I follow my instinct and experiences. And built on them. All that makes me to refine my consciousness state so I can visit higher dimensions than astral is.
      You have your own way and that is OK.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      I accept that our ways are different. I follow my instinct and experiences. And built on them. All that makes me to refine my consciousness state so I can visit higher dimensions than astral is.
      You have your own way and that is OK.
      One thing I think we can both agree on is that there are multiple paths. Mine definitely involves understanding the emotional body, and sharing that knowledge.

      I feel like this world lives in an emotional dark age. I feel like there's just so much that people don't know. That's why I'm so passionate about it. I want to help the world understand their emotions.

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      if any (serious) dreamers are interested in joining a dreamsharing group pm me
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      Quote Originally Posted by floatinghead View Post
      if any (serious) dreamers are interested in joining a dreamsharing group pm me
      PM'd!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      I didn't know how to stabilize OBE, to experience it for long time, till I didn't manage to make the emotions still more balanced and more quiet.
      Why you need to stabilize it, for me OBE end only when I re-enter my physical body or are you talking about AP?

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      Quote Originally Posted by floatinghead View Post
      if any (serious) dreamers are interested in joining a dreamsharing group pm me
      Can you resend that discord invitation? I was having trouble trying to merge my account with my other account and basically it got deleted.

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      Quote Originally Posted by floatinghead View Post
      if any (serious) dreamers are interested in joining a dreamsharing group pm me
      So this indeed will be another private/secret shared-dreaming group?

      That's too bad; this seems like just the stuff a site like this needs, and of course its documentation here would likely be of value to DV's members, whether they are participating experts or not. Though I wouldn't participate (these sort of things really aren't my thing, as I am a lousy collaborator), I was looking forward to following your progress and seeing the mechanics of your attempts... Oh, well; I guess dream-sharing is a private process, huh?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      So this indeed will be another private/secret shared-dreaming group?

      That's too bad; this seems like just the stuff a site like this needs, and of course its documentation here would likely be of value to DV's members, whether they are participating experts or not. Though I wouldn't participate (these sort of things really aren't my thing, as I am a lousy collaborator), I was looking forward to following your progress and seeing the mechanics of your attempts... Oh, well; I guess dream-sharing is a private process, huh?
      Join us. You want to - I can see that. What's holding you back?

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      ^^ I think you kind of missed my point... I was noting that "Us" is again going to practice in a private venue; my note about my disinterest in participating wasn't where I was focusing.

      And no, regardless of the fact that you guys seem sincere (and you seem like nice people!) I actually don't want to join you. Though I still do work with dream-sharing, my attempts at intentional dream-sharing with folks I don't know are long behind me, and I fear that I would only serve to give you a hard time... Plus, I'm a little ill-at-ease doing things like this in a private echo-chamber where success -- if I remember the IOSDP era correctly -- was proclaimed with the most minimal evidence and zero tolerance for healthy skepticism. It's always better, I think, to do this sort of thing out in the open, where well-meaning outsiders can observe and, yes, help out, if they can.

      That said, I am still interested in following your progress. The process and potential of shared dreaming is fairly important to me, and if you make any inroads, I would very much like to know what you did and how you did it.

      In any case, good luck and enjoy!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ I think you kind of missed my point... I was noting that "Us" is again going to practice in a private venue; my note about my disinterest in participating wasn't where I was focusing.

      And no, regardless of the fact that you guys seem sincere (and you seem like nice people!) I actually don't want to join you. Though I still do work with dream-sharing, my attempts at intentional dream-sharing with folks I don't know are long behind me, and I fear that I would only serve to give you a hard time... Plus, I'm a little ill-at-ease doing things like this in a private echo-chamber where success -- if I remember the IOSDP era correctly -- was proclaimed with the most minimal evidence and zero tolerance for healthy skepticism. It's always better, I think, to do this sort of thing out in the open, where well-meaning outsiders can observe and, yes, help out, if they can.

      That said, I am still interested in following your progress. The process and potential of shared dreaming is fairly important to me, and if you make any inroads, I would very much like to know what you did and how you did it.

      In any case, good luck and enjoy!

      Okay. :shrug:
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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      Why you need to stabilize it, for me OBE end only when I re-enter my physical body or are you talking about AP?
      Because it is not easy for me to stay out of body. I usually leave my body and walk away to explore. I'm walking for tens of subjective minutes to hours, days even. It wasn't always so. When I was starting I managed to be out of body only for minutes, sometimes tens of minutes. Therefore I experimented to learn how to stabilize my existence out of body.
      I almost never return to it voluntary. And when I return voluntary then I'm not able easily to reintegrate(I'm falling again and again out of it- maybe because I don't really want to return?).

      I consider AP as lowest option of OBE.
      There is no difference between OBE and NDE(I experienced both... and during NDE I was in what I would clasify as higher level of astral)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      Because it is not easy for me to stay out of body. I usually leave my body and walk away to explore. I'm walking for tens of subjective minutes to hours, days even. It wasn't always so. When I was starting I managed to be out of body only for minutes, sometimes tens of minutes. Therefore I experimented to learn how to stabilize my existence out of body.
      I almost never return to it voluntary. And when I return voluntary then I'm not able easily to reintegrate(I'm falling again and again out of it- maybe because I don't really want to return?).

      I consider AP as lowest option of OBE.
      There is no difference between OBE and NDE(I experienced both... and during NDE I was in what I would clasify as higher level of astral)
      Wow. I would love to hear more about your experiences sometime.

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      They are mostly dull and serene. Even so, I like that.

      You may look into my dream journal. I have written some more interesting experiences there.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      Because it is not easy for me to stay out of body. I usually leave my body and walk away to explore.
      Thanks for the proper explanation, every little thing is filling the gaps in my theories about AP and OBE. I read a lot of experiences on Reddit and other forums, comparing them with mine. Just some points to note.

      I'm walking for tens of subjective minutes to hours, days even. It wasn't always so. When I was starting I managed to be out of body only for minutes, sometimes tens of minutes. Therefore I experimented to learn how to stabilize my existence out of body.
      I almost never return to it voluntary. And when I return voluntary then I'm not able easily to reintegrate(I'm falling again and again out of it- maybe because I don't really want to return?).
      The way you described it is sound of more like an AP(together with some of yours experiences in your DJ). AP tends to give some very realistic false OBE, like feeling of floating above one body or seeing the body in the bed. Actually you are not leaving your body like into the physical plane (I count real OBE only when project into the physical plane.), AP is more like your mind is connected to the grid, actually is very similar to internet and your mental projection(LD) like you local area network (LAN). For example your environment can be different, the time of the day can also be different, the same goes for your clothes and duration of the event. So if AP into your house, your house will be like a mental projection and things around, it's more like your Domain if you can understand me. I think most of the mental Projection physics also work into the Astral Plane, but it will be harder to manifest things(more energy or control is required). Of course there a lot of different planes on the astral, if you can do a target Projection, they all vibrate on different frequencies as we know. I think during real OBE we also have a body, it is just different than our Astral body and I also think that from OBE we can also Astral Project, because our mind is always connected to the grid. I have many of this false OBE, where I'm separating from my body through proper techniques, feel the levitation over my bed or I see my body from above, but when test the environment, let say push something from my desk like a bottle on the ground, when return to my body, the bottle didn't fall. I didn't write this to discourage your attempts, but to see that there can be a different explanation to some of the mysteries you encountered.

      I consider AP as lowest option of OBE.
      There is no difference between OBE and NDE(I experienced both... and during NDE I was in what I would clasify as higher level of astral)
      I think that come from different believe system and different sources of information like books and sites, but
      you are making a contradiction here, if AP is lower than OBE and OBE = NDE, but NDE took place in higher astral space, then think about it

      AP or OBE, I see you already have good amount of control and focus and a lot of Will to advance, which is great I just think that real OBE are a lot more rare to achieve.

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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      I think that come from different believe system and different sources of information like books and sites, but
      you are making a contradiction here, if AP is lower than OBE and OBE = NDE, but NDE took place in higher astral space, then think about it

      AP or OBE, I see you already have good amount of control and focus and a lot of Will to advance, which is great I just think that real OBE are a lot more rare to achieve.
      OBE is simply being out of body. I visited(projected) higher dimensions than astral.
      Astral dimension is lowest from nonphysical dimensions. There is something like quantum jump between dimensions. Probably because the requirements for staying in them is fundamentally different.
      Each dimension has spectrum of levels- it is easy to tune between levels, what is not easy is to to to certain level. Because there is a spectrum of them. Infinite number of levels one flowing into another without clearly perceivable change.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      OBE is simply being out of body.
      Ok, It seems you don't attach any particular meaning to OBE as you say.

      I visited(projected) higher dimensions than astral.
      When I am describing my AP experiences I like stay away from descriptions like higher/lower dimensions, because this is not verifiable by any means and is only clouding the experience.
      Astral dimension is lowest from nonphysical dimensions. There is something like quantum jump between dimensions. Probably because the requirements for staying in them is fundamentally different.
      Each dimension has spectrum of levels- it is easy to tune between levels, what is not easy is to to to certain level. Because there is a spectrum of them. Infinite number of levels one flowing into another without clearly perceivable change.
      Again different sources of information lead to different understanding of the matter, if someone actually read about not being able to use powers in AP in some book, he will genuinely believe he can't, self restraining himself.

      As you skipped my first part I will not bother you with it any further.

      That doesn't mean I'm not reading your AP experiences with interest :-), did you have more on another forum, I'm also interested what methodology you are using for the dive process.
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      I skipped first part because there is no point to repeat what I have written. For me the OBE is leaving the body(at least as perception, if not traveling as a "spirit" - that is not possible to prove) and astral projection is OBE to astral dimension. I'm not going to try and persuade anyone about what I experienced and see as worth to believe.

      Lower dimensions, higher dimensions= it is simple to explain as how difficult it is to stabilize in there. Astral is relatively simple after decades of training. Mental dimension is much harder, only about 5% of my OBEs are into mental dimension. To go beyond mental dimension is harder yet. I can say what dimension I'm because there are signs. and the dimensions are divided by something I call quantum barrier... To make a quantum jump to overcome this barrier the fundamental change of the consciousness quality(properties) is necessary- which is hard even after decades of training. On the other side there is whole spectrum of levels inside of concrete dimension (for example low middle high astral and everything in between, I would say infinite number of levels, I can perceive larger change, to feel very fine change is hard for me). It is relatively easy to change level using concentration, but hard to target(if you want to fine tune to level) because the change is continuous.
      Everyone can have different experiences, and since this is not very objectively quantifiable and measurable it is hard to say with what kind of OBE you have experience.

      For going out of body I use exercises I made using what I found by accident when I was 12 years old and what I refined through years. It works for me. When I described this to cousin, he was able to walk out of body in the same day (I was surprised ) His description fit to higher astral even though I didn't describe what I normally perceive. And he too traveled at night and his astral was also night experience. My brother took about year to learn it, but that was about 2 decades ago, and therefore my technique wasn't refined enough yet.

      Do this for long time. Nothing is gained without training.
      a) Relaxation of striated muscles- I concentrate on weight of my hand, I feel it and I make that feeling as strong as possible, and again stronger. I let that feeling of weight progress through whole body. When all my body feels heavy, I concentrate on deepening of that feeling... This relax skeletal striated muscles.
      (a little help: It may help you to make a bath. Relax in it for 10 minutes or so. Then pull the plug a little, so water pours out for long time. Relax further in bath. As water level goes down your body will start to touch bottom of bathtub. Relax and concentrate on body feelings. You will feel how your body goes heavier and heavier as water level goes down. Stay relaxed in empty bathtub for as long as it is not distracting. Remember this feeling of going heavier and heavier. Thats the way you should feel it if you are relaxing in right way.)
      b) Relaxation of smooth muscles- Concentration on warmth in my hand. It feels like I have my hand in warm water, and water is warmer and warmer... liquid fire in my hand. Very pleasant and very hot. I let that liquid fire flow up my hand to other hand, and when my hands are warm, I let that warmth flow to my feet... At last I let spiral that warmth from my hands and legs into solar plexus. Now, I don't do it because of third chakra, but because warmth leads to relaxation of smooth muscle tissue of digestive tract.

      For OBE:
      When I reach state of body where it is very heavy, so heavy that I have feeling I can't move and very warm, I start to concentrate on rolling movement of hand. Movement without moving physical muscles. I send impulses to muscles(to roll hand from side to side), but at the same time I let hand relaxed, lying still. After some time I will start to feel second body hand(as if second, astral hand, and with that the feel of astral body permeating physical body start to be felt.)slowly rolling in physical body, and I try to make small rolling movements to be bigger. After a while I move the whole second body out of physical.
      Sometimes I feel second body even during autogenic relaxation, then separation is simpler and faster.
      For start it is the best to learn to be in the state of unattached observer. Observe your surrounding, walk... but don't think(thoughts are destabilizing OBE), your feelings should be balanced, mild(emotional stress is destabilizing OBE) Just look around yourself... observe, feel, and let everything go through yourself and away. Be above things you are observing. Attachment is destabilizing OBE and may also lead to unpleasant experiences with some entities you may meet.

      I must say, last few years I'm leaving the body without using rolling or rocking movements- it is easier with continued training. But what is written in the exercise is what is easiest for start.
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      Wow. Great post, I love the techniques you're describing. I have some questions, if you don't mind.

      Ok, so I've OBE'd, I don't know, maybe a dozen times - maybe less. The coolest time I was floating above my bed, and saw my brother outside through the window, and then I woke up to his actual knocking on the front door. That. Was. Cool.

      My question is how to transition smoothly from the super heavy-relaxed state (which I can get into np), to the AP state. I seem to not be able to get mentally restful enough for this. I give up after a certain period of time.

      Although, when I have OBE'd, usually in the middle of the night, my technique involves gathering my energy into my chest, and going out through my heart chakra. But in these instances, I was already sleepy (mentally relaxed).
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      As I thought different sources of information leads to misunderstandings, by Mental projection I was referring to inner space aka lucid dreaming.

      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post

      Do this for long time. Nothing is gained without training.
      a) Relaxation of striated muscles- I concentrate on weight of my hand, I feel it and I make that feeling as strong as possible, and again stronger. I let that feeling of weight progress through whole body. When all my body feels heavy, I concentrate on deepening of that feeling... This relax skeletal striated muscles.
      (a little help: It may help you to make a bath. Relax in it for 10 minutes or so. Then pull the plug a little, so water pours out for long time. Relax further in bath. As water level goes down your body will start to touch bottom of bathtub. Relax and concentrate on body feelings. You will feel how your body goes heavier and heavier as water level goes down. Stay relaxed in empty bathtub for as long as it is not distracting. Remember this feeling of going heavier and heavier. Thats the way you should feel it if you are relaxing in right way.)
      b) Relaxation of smooth muscles- Concentration on warmth in my hand. It feels like I have my hand in warm water, and water is warmer and warmer... liquid fire in my hand. Very pleasant and very hot. I let that liquid fire flow up my hand to other hand, and when my hands are warm, I let that warmth flow to my feet... At last I let spiral that warmth from my hands and legs into solar plexus. Now, I don't do it because of third chakra, but because warmth leads to relaxation of smooth muscle tissue of digestive tract.

      For OBE:
      When I reach state of body where it is very heavy, so heavy that I have feeling I can't move and very warm, I start to concentrate on rolling movement of hand. Movement without moving physical muscles. I send impulses to muscles(to roll hand from side to side), but at the same time I let hand relaxed, lying still. After some time I will start to feel second body hand(as if second, astral hand, and with that the feel of astral body permeating physical body start to be felt.)slowly rolling in physical body, and I try to make small rolling movements to be bigger. After a while I move the whole second body out of physical.
      Sometimes I feel second body even during autogenic relaxation, then separation is simpler and faster.
      For start it is the best to learn to be in the state of unattached observer. Observe your surrounding, walk... but don't think(thoughts are destabilizing OBE), your feelings should be balanced, mild(emotional stress is destabilizing OBE) Just look around yourself... observe, feel, and let everything go through yourself and away. Be above things you are observing. Attachment is destabilizing OBE and may also lead to unpleasant experiences with some entities you may meet.

      I must say, last few years I'm leaving the body without using rolling or rocking movements- it is easier with continued training. But what is written in the exercise is what is easiest for start.
      Thanks for sharing your tech I'm not very good at relaxation, especially at this moment, because of back problems and old uncomfortable bed I already have OBE/AP through phantom movement (moving without using muscles), rocking, floating, sinking, catapulting and sliding. Of course most of the time I just go naturally OBE/AP.

      Now it is time for me to share a secret, what you perceive as second body/astral body is actually not your body, this is just a mental illusion created by the mind, only when you let go of this perception of body, you would be able to explore higher planes(as you describe them), of course that requires more focus and control. I hope someday we actually can meet in the astral^^

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      My question is how to transition smoothly from the super heavy-relaxed state (which I can get into np), to the AP state. I seem to not be able to get mentally restful enough for this. I give up after a certain period of time.

      Although, when I have OBE'd, usually in the middle of the night, my technique involves gathering my energy into my chest, and going out through my heart chakra. But in these instances, I was already sleepy (mentally relaxed).
      This goes with training. Some people can do that faster, some slower. It took me over 4 years till I found how to do it. And even now, I don't manage this everytime I want.
      So, what you need to do is to stop thinking. You need to be in unattached observer state. Train this state all the time. Train being emotionally balanced and quiet(very important).

      When you have problem to become quiet inside after 15 minutes- stop to trying. Make a rest, try later. Don't battle with yourself, let it go.

      I would not try to work with energies at all- I see it as imagination induced and imagination is what makes OBE hard if not impossible. Once you start imagining things you will end in OBE like lucid dreams. I don't know how to explain the feeling, but I can tell you, Lucid Dream can look like OBE but it is not felt as OBE. Each dimension has different "flavor" or feeling. Lucid dream may be inside astral dimension as some believe(me too) but you are so "enamored" and surrounded by your own sceneries that you don't perceive the "reality" of astral.
      Later you will be able to work with energies in astral- and it won't be like classic work with energies. There is no imagination involved only concentration on outcome. You will be able to generate aura tens of meters in diameter simply to light your way through darkness, or to shield yourself against unwanted content.
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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post

      Now it is time for me to share a secret, what you perceive as second body/astral body is actually not your body, this is just a mental illusion created by the mind, only when you let go of this perception of body, you would be able to explore higher planes(as you describe them), of course that requires more focus and control. I hope someday we actually can meet in the astral^^
      I know about this. The higher dimension you get to, the less you are identifying with something.
      In fifth you are point of consciousness which can identify itself as such.
      In sixth dimension you are all there is. Without form. Infinite.
      In seventh (which I didn't reach yet) you should completely depersonalize.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      This goes with training. Some people can do that faster, some slower. It took me over 4 years till I found how to do it. And even now, I don't manage this everytime I want.
      So, what you need to do is to stop thinking. You need to be in unattached observer state. Train this state all the time. Train being emotionally balanced and quiet(very important).

      When you have problem to become quiet inside after 15 minutes- stop to trying. Make a rest, try later. Don't battle with yourself, let it go.

      I would not try to work with energies at all- I see it as imagination induced and imagination is what makes OBE hard if not impossible. Once you start imagining things you will end in OBE like lucid dreams. I don't know how to explain the feeling, but I can tell you, Lucid Dream can look like OBE but it is not felt as OBE. Each dimension has different "flavor" or feeling. Lucid dream may be inside astral dimension as some believe(me too) but you are so "enamored" and surrounded by your own sceneries that you don't perceive the "reality" of astral.
      Later you will be able to work with energies in astral- and it won't be like classic work with energies. There is no imagination involved only concentration on outcome. You will be able to generate aura tens of meters in diameter simply to light your way through darkness, or to shield yourself against unwanted content.
      Thanks for the suggestions. I do stop after 15 minutes, and I have not had as many successes as I'd like. One time I did succeed, I did a technique where I rapidly moved my eyes up and down a few times. It worked, took me straight into a WILD.

      One problem I keep running into is that after ~10 minutes of stillness, my head starts spinning. Like, really. As if I'm rotating around a pole. In fact, my whole consciousness starts spinning. This happens in meditation, too.

      I do believe in energy, strongly. In fact, it's my main dream guide that taught me the technique of going out my chest. It works beautifully, when my mind is relaxed enough. All I can say is, we'll just agree to disagree about energy, because I feel that strongly! I do not think it has to do with just imagination.
      Last edited by Hilary; 06-23-2020 at 04:34 PM.

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