Any dreamsharer here in 2020?

**Psionik** · 06-23-2020 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Thanks for the suggestions. I do stop after 15 minutes, and I have not had as many successes as I'd like. One time I did succeed, I did a technique where I rapidly moved my eyes up and down a few times. It worked, took me straight into a WILD.

One problem I keep running into is that after ~10 minutes of stillness, my head starts spinning. Like, really. As if I'm rotating around a pole. In fact, my whole consciousness starts spinning. This happens in meditation, too.

I do believe in energy, strongly. In fact, it's my main dream guide that taught me the technique of going out my chest. It works beautifully, when my mind is relaxed enough. All I can say is, we'll just agree to disagree about energy, because I feel that strongly!

I do not think it has to do with just imagination.

You can overcome this only with daily training.
I think you observe your feelings too much. How good is your concentration? There is only the thing you are concentrated onto. There is no head. there is only hand. Then there is no hand on which you focused before, there is other hand. And so on. There is no thought. There is no emotion. Everything is quiet. Everything is alright. Let your focus move as you relax your body. Slowly and steady. When I relax my body, everything else stops to exist for me. Becomes unimportant. The goal is not to be acutely aware of your body. The goal is to stop to feel it too much. You aren't going to need physical body after separation. After the body is relaxed stop to concentrate on it. Concentrate on your existence. The look is focused inside. There is focused waiting. The time is not important. The body is felt only weakly as if behind cover.
In this state I wait focused on trigger. Which is when I start to feel second body... it is as if I have a glove around physical body. When I feel it, I can start rocking motions sending impulses to move dominant hand. But at the same time I leave it unmoving and relaxed. Once I'm able to lose the spiritual hand from physical, it is easy to pull myself out as whole. That is simple thing, but it takes time to do. It is critical time when if you do not do something right you may lose the chance for separation.
So, when I feel second body, I'm going out directly without rocking usually. Again, to be able to do this, more training is necessary.

When you are stable and out of body, you can try to lose control a bit. But I recommend to not lose thoughts free at all. And I recommend to keep emotions balanced and as neutral as you can. It is as if you are a rope walker. When you are starting to learn, the rope is very thin and wobbly. It is easy to fall. But as you are more and more experienced the rope seems to be more and more stable. It becomes similar to walking on broad road. Higher dimensions than astral- thinner and more wobbly rope. Practicing helps.

I trained this a few times a day for over 35 years. Maybe I'm not talented but I can be stubborn.

For OBE no belief is necessary. In fact I feel myself quite faithless. It is for me normal existence. I can feel currents of energy inside of me during OBEs and when I concentrate also in normal life, but I take them as they are. No belief is necessary. These are part of me. It is like any other part of my being. Nothing important compared to existence here and now. Everything braking your progress should be discarded. Concentrate on being here and now for start. When you master than concentrate on existence. After that concentrate on nothingness. And you will experience the bliss.

edit: I went too far. The later stages are hard to describe.

**michael79** · 06-24-2020 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Psionik

I know about this. The higher dimension you get to, the less you are identifying with something.
In fifth you are point of consciousness which can identify itself as such.
In sixth dimension you are all there is. Without form. Infinite.
In seventh (which I didn't reach yet) you should completely depersonalize.

Ok that is good, very good indeed, I see you are educated enough on the matter and... did you learn something interesting, did you connected with your Higher self, did you heard his voice, if you cannot say here, you can PM me.

If you are so good at focussing and at discarding your emotions as you say, then I have proposition for you, instead of using any techniques for separating out of body, don't use any, just go with the flow, not disturbing the natural process of falling asleep, keeping only a tiny dot of consciousness, discarding your Ego and becoming a passive observer, just watch and hear while you are falling asleep, but be careful if they notice you, they will send you immediately back here, this method it is like a cheat/hack, using their own method for soul retrieval, because they do it only when they feel you are unconscious, one second here can be like a lot there. They catch me several times already and every time they send me back with a warning, but once I was able to deceive them and was able to stay couple of days on the other side and saw things that are hard to explain, but the adventure is worthwhile

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by michael79

Ok that is good, very good indeed, I see you are educated enough on the matter and... did you learn something interesting, did you connected with your Higher self, did you heard his voice, if you cannot say here, you can PM me.

If you are so good at focussing and at discarding your emotions as you say, then I have proposition for you, instead of using any techniques for separating out of body, don't use any, just go with the flow, not disturbing the natural process of falling asleep, keeping only a tiny dot of consciousness, discarding your Ego and becoming a passive observer, just watch and hear while you are falling asleep, but be careful if they notice you, they will send you immediately back here, this method it is like a cheat/hack, using their own method for soul retrieval, because they do it only when they feel you are unconscious, one second here can be like a lot there. They catch me several times already and every time they send me back with a warning, but once I was able to deceive them and was able to stay couple of days on the other side and saw things that are hard to explain, but the adventure is worthwhile

It happened a few times that i heard my voice from inside of me advicing me what to do. In higher dimension than astral i'm more integrated. I think, in budhic and higher dimension there is only unity.

Going with the flow is unreliable method for obe. I tend to end too passive ... I usually lose all the will to separate. But i managed to separate a few hundreds of times also this way. Quality wise(of experience), it is the same as when going easier route. It tends to lead to higher dimensions than mental. Maybe that is what you experienced.
I have had never problems with something keeping me from going OBE. Only lack of concentration has that effect.

**michael79** · 06-24-2020 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Psionik

It happened a few times that i heard my voice from inside of me advicing me what to do. In higher dimension than astral i'm more integrated. I think, in budhic and higher dimension there is only unity.

I see you are more of the secretive type, at least tell me what forum you use primary, there are always something new to read.

Going with the flow is unreliable method for obe. I tend to end too passive ... I usually lose all the will to separate.

No, no, I'm not talking about separating, they extract your soul when you become unconscious, you just go with the flow, it's like traveling through an ocean, when you reach the bottom you get to the other side, you just must play dead asleep the whole time. It's worth it I tell you, you will see!

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 09:51 AM

Secretive- not exactly. I use theosophic designations for dimensions because when I looked on internet those descriptions were closest to what I experienced- that means someone from them experienced it... or their source of information experienced it. No other description came close to what I experience. But I don't exactly prefer to speak about theosophy itself since it feels somehow wrong to me. There is golden nugget of information in the junk- their description of dimensions. Everything else I discarded as superficial junk.
And I did see nowhere the description of what I describe as quantum barrier between dimensions.

Who are those "they"? I'm always alone in the moment of separation. I was never "extracted". The beings (if they are real) usually fear me. They can't stand my vicinity usually. I met only a few which didn't run away in fear. Not to mention, that I never met anyone higher than in astral dimension. If I don't count soulstars(I believe these represents souls in budhic dimension) as beings- those didn't interact at all, they just are. Even I had problem to start to do something there- and I was aware.

**Hilary** · 06-24-2020 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Psionik

It happened a few times that i heard my voice from inside of me advicing me what to do. In higher dimension than astral i'm more integrated. I think, in budhic and higher dimension there is only unity.

Going with the flow is unreliable method for obe. I tend to end too passive ... I usually lose all the will to separate. But i managed to separate a few hundreds of times also this way. Quality wise(of experience), it is the same as when going easier route. It tends to lead to higher dimensions than mental. Maybe that is what you experienced.
I have had never problems with something keeping me from going OBE. Only lack of concentration has that effect.

Have you thought about trying to listen to this voice, hearing what it has to say on a regular basis? I can't stress enough how helpful it is. It seems to be designed to help you find the little nooks and crannies where your ego may hide still. It's so easy not to spot it, sometimes, you know? It never really dies completely, it's just that we just learn to catch it more often. And the more we wake up, the less afraid we are to face it. Seems like we're stuck in this human condition for life, aren't we? Spiritual awakening or not.

It can also help with a lot of other things, too.

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As to this dream sharing group so far, all I can say is.. Holy crap. It is blowing my mind. That's all.

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 03:42 PM

When I walk out of body I keep myself open, with the mind focused and blank. I don't try, nor I hinder anything. I let things to happen. And I observe that without judging. My consciousness is like mirror mirroring things which I observe. And I observe the impressions it leaves. This inner voice happened only a few times. Every time it was spot on the problem. But these nonphysical dimensions are easily influenced when one doesn't thread carefully.
The most insightful advice I got is burned into my memory: I was walking again through darkness and wondered when I will see the light in astral again. And then I heard my own voice from inside. Strong and firm: The light is shining. You must learn to see it! and I tried to change my perception and I saw... everything was shining with its own faint inner light.

**Hilary** · 06-24-2020 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Psionik

When I walk out of body I keep myself open, with the mind focused and blank. I don't try, nor I hinder anything. I let things to happen. And I observe that without judging. My consciousness is like mirror mirroring things which I observe. And I observe the impressions it leaves. This inner voice happened only a few times. Every time it was spot on the problem. But these nonphysical dimensions are easily influenced when one doesn't thread carefully.
The most insightful advice I got is burned into my memory: I was walking again through darkness and wondered when I will see the light in astral again. And then I heard my own voice from inside. Strong and firm: The light is shining. You must learn to see it! and I tried to change my perception and I saw... everything was shining with its own faint inner light.

Beautiful. Ever thought about seeking it out and checking in with it from time to time?

I love communicating with mine. Every night, in constant communication. I would not have it any other way, to be honest.

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Beautiful. Ever thought about seeking it out and checking in with it from time to time?

I love communicating with mine. Every night, in constant communication. I would not have it any other way, to be honest.

It is not about seeking it out... I think. This is me. A part of me which isn't integrated in low dimensions.

**Hilary** · 06-24-2020 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Psionik

It is not about seeking it out... I think. This is me. A part of me which isn't integrated in low dimensions.

I agree it is you, or at least, a part of you. It may even be that you are a part of it. (ever seen Paprika? Good movie). I believe it knows more than our waking selves, and that it wants what is best for us. I say seek it out because I know mine helps me learn, grow, make better decisions, and guides me on my spiritual journey. After all, we all need help at times - that's just the nature of the human condition. Nothing wrong with seeking guidance. And also, it's pretty cool!

Anyways, should you ever want to, I would suggest asking it every now and then how you're doing? Does it have anything important to tell you right now? Maybe point out an area you could use growth in? You might be amazed at the help you receive. I know I have been, on many occasions. You can do this in a lucid dream, astral plane, and even (if sensitive enough) in trance / half-sleep state.

Also, it's my opinion (you don't have to agree) that it wants us to seek it out. It's waiting for us to seek it out. I remember when I first saw the old woman in my dreams, my higher self. I said "Thank you for coming to me." She said "No... No. Thank you for letting me in."

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 09:00 PM

Yes, I have seen it. It was quite depressive anime. Not exactly my style. The reality and dream started to merge... and everything has flavor of a nightmare. The girl was too able to be aware in dream and yet she was completely devoured by it for long time... only in the end she managed to overcome it. Who has made the movie didn't know what it means to have lucid dreams. I can breeze through LD imaginations as if those aren't there nearly every time. And while it can happen, that I may not be able to overpower some imaginations, I don't feel the need of that, because I know it is dream- it can't harm me. More often than not I'm the guide there. It is hard to find some guide, when everyone runs away from you. And sleep zombie isn't able to guide.

I often call for about anyone who can perceive me. But it looks like I'm alone there. Hre are some OBEs where I called someone(mainly soulmate with whom I have deep connection) or where I was guide. Many more I don't have written down. I don't tend to write down something like those OBEs I had this week, where nothing happened what could be interesting.
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psionik/search-85006/
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...e-light-82442/
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...eliness-81245/
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...-shared-80661/
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...l-plane-74304/
https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...attempt-74226/

Interesting experience there. I can't say there is higher self... I think it is my subconsciousness. When it isn't fully integrated, then it can act as different part of me. But in higher dimensions it is only oneness- and that feels like pure bliss

**michael79** · 06-24-2020 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Psionik

Secretive- not exactly. I use theosophic designations for dimensions because when I looked on internet those descriptions were closest to what I experienced- that means someone from them experienced it... or their source of information experienced it. No other description came close to what I experience. But I don't exactly prefer to speak about theosophy itself since it feels somehow wrong to me.

This is like a agreeing what is written in the Bible, but don't believe in God, because theosophy is a religion too.

There is golden nugget of information in the junk- their description of dimensions. Everything else I discarded as superficial junk.
And I did see nowhere the description of what I describe as quantum barrier between dimensions.

Funny thing, when you said about quantum jump and levels, my first thought was about 8bit Mario and how you jump from level to level through secret holes around the levels. XD The term you are referring to is maybe what is for me the Veil between dimensions

Who are those "they"?

How I should know I only saw them several times and every time is a different experience, I only know that I'm not supposed to be there, so the moment they notice me they send me back. Especially the last time, when they extracted me, they thought my consciousness (essentially this mean You or everything you experienced through this life experience) is asleep, so soul is left in a blank state, I saw how they awoken another consciousness to my soul and put the soul into a semi organic semi mechanihal bio-suit aka another body, I observed the whole process, the other consciousness were programmed and awaken with another four of them, they were humanoids. It was given a special mission to them, I only was able to observe through his eyes and feel his emotions, their language was totally alien, I stay like this for whole 3 days, this other consciousness have his own memories, beliefs and emotions. I couldn't understand a single word the entire time, but I clearly felt what he felt. The moment of extraction, when they scan the soul for possible infiltration, they or he detected me, man I never saw or imagine such Bio form before, semi organic semi mechanical semi spiritual, they send me back immediately with the light. When wake up after something like this is not easy to return to normal live, you have no idea how much I need to indure locked in another body day and night for 3 days on another Planet.

I'm always alone in the moment of separation. I was never "extracted".

My ordinary separations are the same, but I have many natural and spontaneous AP where I have been summoned in need of help.

The beings (if they are real) usually fear me. They can't stand my vicinity usually. I met only a few which didn't run away in fear.

They gonna run from you if you are not ready or if you emit bad energy. What do you mean by "if they are real" are you lucid dreaming instead?

Not to mention, that I never met anyone higher than in astral dimension.

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.

**Hilary** · 06-24-2020 09:43 PM

I think the movie does that because it's more of a metaphor for spiritual awakening than trying to depict perfect lucid dreaming.

I would try calling for your higher self. But you have to believe in it in order for this to work

If you don't believe, then of course you will be alone (outside of your possible shared dream experiences).

Oh well. We definitely have very different perspectives on things, Psi. Going to have to agree to disagree on the higher self issue. Best of luck, though.

Hey? Why is your soulmate not your wife, and how does your wife feel about you having another soul mate? Heck, I wouldn't want that.

Of course, I don't really believe in soul mates.

**Hilary** · 06-24-2020 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by michael79

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.

Gonna have to agree with Michael here. I feel a strong ego about you, Psi. It's just that I'm too nice to say. Man, I wrote out a whole post saying the same thing, your ego, your lopsided development... oh man, then I erased it because I didn't want to be mean to you. And also because I know, saying it doesn't help. There's not much that does help...

Oh well, now I've said it. Thanks Michael for giving me courage to say what I really think. Sorry Psi. Don't hate me.

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 10:11 PM

This is like a agreeing what is written in the Bible, but don't believe in God, because theosophy is a religion too.
Exactly !

I don't agree with theosophy so I don't like to mention it. But I must mention it when I use nomenclature they described.

Funny thing, when you said about quantum jump and levels, my first thought was about 8bit Mario and how you jump from level to level through secret holes around the levels. XD The term you are referring to is maybe what is for me the Veil between dimensions
Quantum jump or quantum tunneling is a process which makes thermonuclear fusion possible- for example. Because the temperature and pressure is not high enough for fusion to run exactly spontaneously- but if there was no quantum barrier to overcome, the Sun would not shine for billions of years, but it would go instantly supernova. Sorry I didn't play Mario Bros. But I had physics, nuclear chemistry, physical chemistry and quantum chemistry on college.

How I should know I only saw them several times and every time is a different experience, I only know that I'm not supposed to be there, so the moment they notice me they send me back. Especially the last time, when they extracted me, they thought my consciousness (essentially this mean You or everything you experienced through this life experience) is asleep, so soul is left in a blank state, I saw how they awoken another consciousness to my soul and put the soul into a semi organic semi mechanihal bio-suit aka another body, I observed the whole process, the other consciousness were programmed and awaken with another four of them, they were humanoids. It was given a special mission to them, I only was able to observe through his eyes and feel his emotions, their language was totally alien, I stay like this for whole 3 days, this other consciousness have his own memories, beliefs and emotions. I couldn't understand a single word the entire time, but I clearly felt what he felt. The moment of extraction, when they scan the soul for possible infiltration, they or he detected me, man I never saw or imagine such Bio form before, semi organic semi mechanical semi spiritual, they send me back immediately with the light. When wake up after something like this is not easy to return to normal live, you have no idea how much I need to indure locked in another body day and night for 3 days on another Planet.
The most I get in astral is: You don't belong here- and I ignore it. If someone tries to attack, I either ignore it, or I burn the offender with aura without any active action. Something like this https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psionik/stabbed-84234/

My ordinary separations are the same, but I have many natural and spontaneous AP where I have been summoned in need of help.
This happened only a few times to me. I need to prepare for separation using concentration. I must be concentrated on the existence at the very least.

They gonna run from you if you are not ready or if you emit bad energy. What do you mean by "if they are real" are you lucid dreaming instead?
Bad energy... I don't know. I must be real badass there, when demons(they feel like that) fear me

It is more like I'm leaking too much of energy. Often I'm surrounded by large blue violet plasma field, which I use as light to see in darkness. I tried to wake up my soulmate using that energy. https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...-shared-80661/ She didn't remember in real world. I also used it to heal.

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.
I remember to meet one or two. Interestingly the impersonation of Jesus(the Jesus walked away) felt less than one other I have met later(that one stood strong). When you meet someone on higher level you can certainly feel it. It provokes real humbleness.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.
Maybe I didn't manage. I tried quite a few times more than 2 decades ago. I tried that for years back then. The most I managed was to call up some crazy looking laughing old man who ran away when I tried to ask him something.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.
Raping? That is a bit strong word. I don't use any forcing. It is enough to say no to me. I'm still not sure about sleeping zombies- are those real people or is my subconsciousness populating the environment? I needed to measure somehow the level of concentration and self-control. Astral sex is one of possible things. If I manage to have it without being thrown out of astral then my concentration is adequate. I was encouraged to do it. They were right, it was very disturbing, I couldn't stay inastral while trying to have astral sex. but I got much better. I tried it from time to time... but I'm not going sex crazy in astral

I didn't try astral sex for a few years. There is no appeal for me in that. I should try it again someday. To see whether my concentration and detachment is better or at least the same as a few years ago.

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Gonna have to agree with Michael here. I feel a strong ego about you, Psi. It's just that I'm too nice to say. Man, I wrote out a whole post saying the same thing, your ego, your lopsided development... oh man, then I erased it because I didn't want to be mean to you. And also because I know, saying it doesn't help. There's not much that does help...

Oh well, now I've said it. Thanks Michael for giving me courage to say what I really think. Sorry Psi. Don't hate me.

Thats OK. It might look like EGO. From certain point of view. But how it is like that, when the mind is blank, the emotions are balanced and the feeling of myself is fading? It is all about perception. You feel it that way, I feel nearly nothing.

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Hey? Why is your soulmate not your wife, and how does your wife feel about you having another soul mate? Heck, I wouldn't want that. Of course, I don't really believe in soul mates.

That is what I ask myself too

My wife is OK with that and I don't mean to cheat her either. I don't feel any need of that. And my soulmate has become friend- there were some problems from her side. She alone doesn't understand why she felt that way. I told her everything. My wife also knows everything. I prefer to be direct.

**michael79** · 06-24-2020 10:37 PM

I feel strongly obligated to quote your DJ links here:

Psionik
OBE- Was it shared?
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by Psionik , 2017-04-04 at 04:33 (473 Views)
I found myself in my bedroom. It took only short time to identify what course of action to follow. The strongest pull was to my friend. I flew then through the wall outside. Finding that I have problem to fly faster without OBE destabilization, I choose the fast run.

I ran on the road and i heard a sounds like overtaking the cars from time to time, yet there were no cars visible. I turned in road corner and ran into strange surrounding- I got lost... Unable to stop fast at that speed, I ran into a fence at nearly full speed. There were big machines there... digging the road through the rock of small hill. I looked up and I saw that the dig was about 20 meters deep. There was familiar hill on the side... I should go there I felt... but when I tried to fly over the high border of the dig, I felt that OBE is not stable enough to guarantee success. I invested too much of my will to do that... and while trying to stabilize OBE I found myself in the house of my parents.

I was looking around... And my friend walked in, looked at me and walked out again. Either not acknowledging me, or not being aware, which would be quite normal in my experiences. I waited in the room some more... and she came back again. When she turned to go away again I caught her by her shoulders from behind and stopped her going away. She was like automaton , so I tried again what I tried some time ago- I pushed energy into her astral body(or what it was). A few centimeters long blue violet bolts danced around my fingers and into my friend... into chakras??? I did this for a few minutes, not knowing whether it works or not. Interesting thing- I saw her skin on neck to such high clarity as if I was using a magnifier. After some time she woke up... and looked to me... and I saw that she is conscious.
"Super" I smiled, "you are awake now! Tell me, why did you betray our friendship four years ago? What did happen?"
"I was told, you are delusional. All that stuff about astral travel and healing by autosuggestion..." she answered.
"Ah, look I was always telling that I don't believe in things, that I do my own research to find where reality lies. I know what functions for sure... And by the way- this is astral dimension we are in, I managed to wake you." then I smiled again and asked: "Who is more delusional- the man who doesn't believe in things, but tries different approaches to find proofs; or the woman which believes in existence of telepathy, or homeopathics, but tries nothing? I managed to find that homeopatics are functioning as placebo, or autosuggestion if you will. And if you will be able to tell me in real life, after you wake up, about this meeting, at least that we met... since I don't expect you will remember much- but then I will have a proof for dream telepathy at very least. And proof for OBE to be more real possibility too.
She looked around and asked: "Where are we?"
"We are in my parents house... In my astral level... would you like to look to your place?" I asked and tried to give the control to her.

And the surrounding changed. We were in a house albeit different one... The sun was shining through windows, and there was river outside. It looked quite nice, but there were three zombies... One was walking around dripping something like pus... and other two looked like dried corpses laying on the floor. And my friend hide behind me and told me fearfully: "That looks like my boyfriend!" And that zombie heard her and started to walk to us.
"I wonder why he looks like this," i told her, "I don't like it." And as the zombie closed to us I decapitated it with fast cut by bare hand. The head rolled away, but the body tried to get to us... or maybe to my friend. I pushed it strongly and it sprawled on the floor. The hands of the zombies body tried to catch anything close...
I looked on two other dry corpses, and pushed them with my shoe- they also moved a little. "Those were my boyfriends too"
Not wanting to give it a chance I incinerated all the zombies. "I help you when I'm able to as I promised long ago. You may have forgot our friendship, but in my heart you are my dear friend even today."
Then I was holding her in my arms till everything faded into sleep.

Remarks:
It took longer time to separate myself from my body... and I needed to do it by force since I was held quite fast.
That dialog is only loosely based, I don't remember it exactly.
First time I managed to wake someone in astral (It is unknown how real it was, I will wait for confirmation)

Psionik
Stabbed???
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by Psionik , 2018-04-26 at 02:15 (370 Views)
I had no interesting OBE or dream for longer time.
Yesterday I went out of body only to be immediately stabbed be someone without any warning... some woman like being materialized in front of me suddenly, as I was rising from body- I found that curious. I didn't try to defend myself. Then she stabbed me repeatedly again and again... and after short time that woman like being evaporated away. When I looked on myself to see the wounds, it looked like there is a sword running inside of my body where spine is located up to my head(handle was over my head). I pulled that sword out from up of my head... it had sparkling gems of different colors in the blade... Then i was pulled back to body because my daughter stirred in sleep.
I went out about 6 times more, but all I was doing was only walking and observing, nothing interesting happened there. I have met my older daughters but they don't remember meeting when I asked this morning.

Now if you post these two on AstralProjection SubReddit, everybody will tell you that those are just semi-Lucid Dreams and after I read your DJ in more details I will tend to agree with them. Maybe your girlfriend was right on the spot, just saying, don't hate the messenger :peace:

**Psionik** · 06-24-2020 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by michael79

Now if you post these two on AstralProjection SubReddit, everybody will tell you that those are just semi-Lucid Dreams and after I read your DJ in more details I will tend to agree with them. Maybe your girlfriend was right on the spot, just saying, don't hate the messenger :peace:

Firstly there is a language barrier and I don't know all the time whether I use the right words.
Secondly- How many times I feel others description of OBE as being lucid dream? Many. But that doesn't mean they didn't have one- I know to discern when I have lucid dream and when I'm out of body very distinctively. I expect others to feel the same distinctiveness. There is no way to prove their or mine experiences when I wasn't there.
Thirdly- I simply can't make myself to care whether my OBEs are real or only special kind of lucid dream. There is a reason why I prefer my OBEs over LDs. Howewer my consciousness can be in LD, however the surrounding might seem to be "real" these pale in comparison to OBE environment or superconsciousness strength.

**michael79** · 06-25-2020 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Sageous

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I didn't know Ego's run in pairs

**Sageous** · 06-25-2020 01:38 AM

^^ ... says the guy using "AstralProjection SubReddit" as a source. Go figure.

Instead of insulting him (and us), maybe you could try listening to Psionik, Micheal; you might actually learn something.

Oh, and: "just sayin', don't hate the messenger :peace:"

**michael79** · 06-25-2020 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ ... says the guy using "AstralProjection SubReddit" as a source. Go figure.

Instead of insulting him (and us), maybe you could try listening to Psionik, Micheal; you might actually learn something.

Oh, and: "just sayin', don't hate the messenger :peace:"

I don't see Dreamviews as reliable source anyway. I'm using many spiritual forums BTW!

If you admit this as insult towards you, you really must think more carefully on your behaviour, because your Ego is so large that Milky way soon is going to blow up in Supernova, I read a lot of yours conflicts with other members around the forum. If you have some personal issues with me, you always can PM.

**Hilary** · 06-25-2020 01:59 AM

Anyways, this dream sharing group is awesome. I think we've already had some hits. Can't wait to get lucid with them. Anyone else want to share stories about dream sharing groups?

**Lang** · 06-25-2020 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by michael79

I didn't know Ego's run in pairs

What did I do to you? I'm sorry am I missing something here?

**michael79** · 06-25-2020 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Lang

What did I do to you?

You are excused, sorry.

**Sageous** · 06-25-2020 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by michael79

I don't see Dreamviews as reliable source anyway. I'm using many spiritual forums BTW!

If you admit this as insult towards you, you really must think more carefully on your behaviour, because your Ego is so large that Milky way soon is going to blow up in Supernova, I read a lot of yours conflicts with other members around the forum. If you have some personal issues with me, you always can PM.

I have no personal issues with you, Michael, though I wonder a bit why you wish I did. If not me and Lang, then who exactly were you insulting? What, as Lang asked, exactly did we do to you?

There will be no PM's. Enjoy your assumed superiority, Michael; I'm sure it will serve you well.

BTW: If you understood what ego really was, then you would understand why I would be delighted if mine had the power of a supernova