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      Don't Be Evil In Your Dreams!

      Don't be evil in your dreams! In the past, I've talked about how while we dream, we might be visiting alternative worlds in the multiverse. If this is the case, then the people in those other worlds are affected by our actions. This means, that if we are hurtful or harmful to them, they truly suffer the negative consequences of our actions. We can't know for sure if this is the case, but it's worth considering if you aren't 100% certain that your dreams only take place inside your head.


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      Hey that was cool. I enjoyed your video, and did not lose attention halfway in
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      It's fun to imagine we can access other dimensions in our sleep but there's no evidence to hint us in that direction. Everything we know about dreams scientifically and experimentally is that dreams are simulated by our brains.

      Being attached to our magical fantasies (as fun as they are) bias us away from lucidity. Observing objectively (without those biases) our experience with dream characters, it is apparent that they are simulated.

      So if we want to talk about ethical dreaming, let's not muddy the water with fun fantasies.

      Here, I am going to define moral behaviour as behaviour that promotes well-being of sentient agents (myself and others) based on the consequences of those actions.

      Let's say I kill someone in real life, the consequences are fatal: this person is dead, and this is an immense injury to their well-being and that of people close to them. It's quite obviously immoral.

      Now, if I kill someone in a dream, well, no one dies as a consequence. It is the same as a murder in a video game.

      The question now would be to figure out what influence this simulation has on my own well-being. We also need to consider that even when lucid, we do not have all our faculties during sleep as we do in waking life, so we are in amoral territory (it's less relevant to talk about ethical behavior if we are less responsible of our actions, and are actually not making any actions but just imagining it).

      I'm going to conclude saying, I am in no place to judge the morality of your dreams since they affect no one and arise in ways somewhat less in your control than usual. But, if I find my own simulations are immoral, I might ask myself non-judgmentally if this translates to a pattern in waking life. If yes, then I might address this in waking life. If not, don't start believing you are "evil."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post
      I'm going to conclude saying, I am in no place to judge the morality of your dreams since they affect no one and arise in ways somewhat less in your control than usual. But, if I find my own simulations are immoral, I might ask myself non-judgmentally if this translates to a pattern in waking life. If yes, then I might address this in waking life. If not, don't start believing you are "evil."
      This is a good point.

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      I'm not sure we always make rational decisions in lucid dreams. Unless someone's having frequent prolonged experiences over and over, it doesn't necessarily make us masters of manipulation. No offense to you personally but I hear frequently on YouTube 'with lucid dreams you control everything all the time". Yet I've never had a lucid dream where I control, length of dream, all dream characters, dream environment, basically everything, all the time, like some wizard. Supposedly during sleep are mind shuts down systems responsible for creating memories. Therefore certain features (reading reading/writing, facial recognition), aren't working properly. I doubt this excludes lucid dreams (as I've still had difficulty more than once, recognizing titles of magazines, newspapers). Furthmore we're struggling to keep that prolonged heightened state of awareness (which isnt easy and is often discussed on dream sites). I just doubt we can easily manipulate/control everything that easily. I've previously stated on similar topic, if it was that easy everyone would make more wiser or philosophical decisions instead of playing with superpowers.

      Anyway I appreciate ur concern but doubt our dream actions can in any way effect our well being, mental health. As with video game analogy, I play violent video games and read horror novels frequently. This doesnt conjure up real life thoughts about murder or torture. So why should it be a priority for (lucid) dreams? And sorry dont mean to sound defensive but I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions about how to act in lucid dreams when we cant even figure out how to properly (set induction method) get there.
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      oh`oh, and now the video is unavailable.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scadsticker View Post
      oh`oh, and now the video is unavailable.
      It looks like the owner is working on another project, now. This video looks like it is put on private, I think??? You may need to get the permission from the creator of the video on you tube.
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