Thread: is the dream world another dimension

yeah, it can be.
have you submitted any dreams to the forum?

Originally Posted by aussiemusician

yeah, it can be.
have you submitted any dreams to the forum?

None ;( when I first got into lding almost 10 years ago I kept a journal on my old phone that I don’t have access to anymore ! I want to read my old dreams so bad. I haven’t been journaling recently but I need to start! Have you posted any?

Indeed! It's like a small death...

Originally Posted by monsa199a

Indeed! It's like a small death...

yes I don’t believe in coincidence. Everything happens for a reason! Idk why we dream but I think it might be a sneak peak into another realm lol

I think this may be better in the beyond dreaming section of the forum since this seems to be more a "beyond dreaming" type of question.

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I am pretty convinced that dreams are a possible doorway to astral worlds. I think you have dreams that take place entirely inside your head and also that you can travel to many weird places that are not.

Originally Posted by arad

None ;( when I first got into lding almost 10 years ago I kept a journal on my old phone that I don’t have access to anymore ! I want to read my old dreams so bad. I haven’t been journaling recently but I need to start! Have you posted any?

yeah ive posted a few, in the dream journal section.
usually i write them on paper after waking, then type them, save them, and then copy them to the relevant section in the forum, being the dream journal.
well, for older dreams i do that.
have submitted a few newer ones, being the calendar year of 2021.
you're welcome to read them.

Well it depends on if you believe in that stuff.
Personally, I don’t believe in there being new realities that one goes to when dreaming.

To answer your questions: Dreams are just so real because they are made by you, which damn knows well how the world works & feels.

To go in depth on how dreams form - They start when so little of the real world is left (by this, I mean a meditative state), that all sensory information you perceive turns completely internal. This can easily allow anything to happen, as your brain is not using any reference to make its mind images in which you see the world with. Letters on books can chance, quantity of fingers, tangibleness of palm, etc etc.

Not-so-fun fact: You don’t need to sleep to achieve a state similar to a dream— You can already do so through deep meditation and visualization. People call it maladaptive daydreaming, or sometimes prophantasia.

If you've ever had a dream that you believed was real and only realized it was a dream upon waking, then it seems like any rational person should conclude that there's no proof towards believing this waking reality is any different. How could one know that they won't simply wake from this world with just as much perspective as waking from a dream. How could one not see the patterns in life and the way small things related to big things and not see some comparison between sleep and death? If a day can be compared to a life - wake vs birth, day vs life, sleep vs death, then there should at least be some suspicion that when we die we won't just wake to laugh about how we didn't realize we were "just living another life".

Delusionalwrit: Do you mean it is not easy for humans to perspective other realities (multiverse or otherwise (perhaps Astro projection you were talking about?) except for their own lives or dreams? We perceive our environment in three dimensions, but from what I gather, we don’t actually live in a 3-D world.
Have you ever had a lucid dream before? With such a potent level of mystery can we make such bold statements as 'reality exists'?

I think it might be even more bold to assume that reality does not exist without our input or presence. That would imply that we puny humans are possessed with truly cosmic power -- I haven't seen much evidence of that either (and again, not for not looking).
Isnt the paradox beyond ideas of fact vs. fiction the land where dreams begin?
Sure. But keep in mind that this is all only paradoxical because it is unfamiliar (or, if you like, as yet uncreated). Because of its own inherent paradoxical nature (being awake while you are asleep/being the "real" You in an unreal world that exists only in your imagination), LD'ing might be just the tool for exploring these realms (should they exist) and bring home some sense of them that makes them a little less paradoxical, and perhaps a lot less empty.


But maybe by creating hard fast laws even at the most basic level, it helps us make sense of these crazy things.
It does... as long as those hard fast laws reflect, even if dimly, the reality they are defining, and aren't simply made up myths based on breathless imaginings.

Considering there's billions of galaxies perhaps other civilizations know more about dreams than us. It's a stretch but I try to be open minded.

Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer

Delusionalwrit: Do you mean it is not easy for humans to perspective other realities (multiverse or otherwise (perhaps Astro projection you were talking about?) except for their own lives or dreams? We perceive our environment in three dimensions, but from what I gather, we don’t actually live in a 3-D world.
Have you ever had a lucid dream before? With such a potent level of mystery can we make such bold statements as 'reality exists'?

I think it might be even more bold to assume that reality does not exist without our input or presence. That would imply that we puny humans are possessed with truly cosmic power -- I haven't seen much evidence of that either (and again, not for not looking).
Isnt the paradox beyond ideas of fact vs. fiction the land where dreams begin?
Sure. But keep in mind that this is all only paradoxical because it is unfamiliar (or, if you like, as yet uncreated). Because of its own inherent paradoxical nature (being awake while you are asleep/being the "real" You in an unreal world that exists only in your imagination), LD'ing might be just the tool for exploring these realms (should they exist) and bring home some sense of them that makes them a little less paradoxical, and perhaps a lot less empty.


But maybe by creating hard fast laws even at the most basic level, it helps us make sense of these crazy things.
It does... as long as those hard fast laws reflect, even if dimly, the reality they are defining, and aren't simply made up myths based on breathless imaginings.

I think you are likely on to something when you refer to "puny humans". I do fear that we are nothing more than animals trying to survive, but because I believe in hope (misguidedly so), I enjoy consider your other possibility - that humans possess a truly cosmic power. I'm of the opinion that what we call consciousness is some yet to be understood force of nature. One might compare it philosophically to what early Hindu call Brahmam, but just like how light, or gravity, or magnetism have been found to have deeper "capabilities", I think consciousness likely does as well. So I don't really have an answer to what I think reality is. Dreams, and our willing acceptance of them while experiencing them, does make me question this reality. With that said, I don't think it changes how we live. Since we accept this reality for the moment, we must abide by the rules or risk hurting ourselves in some way - real or otherwise.

All good stuff though, and I can't see how spending more time on these discussions is a bad thing. If anything, we seem to be apart of some shared collective consciousness and through emotion we are straining against ourselves. I do hope people find calm soon, we all need peace. I'm tired of the news and of hearing about selfish choices. I do so wish things could change. And since, I do wish this and it doesn't happen, I have to assume reality is far bigger and that I'm likely just some small component even if I wish myself to be more significant.

Such is life. Enjoy the day.

Discussing some of the similarities and differences between dreams and waking life...

In both cases, your experience is generated in your imagination. But in waking life, your imagination is fed by sensory information from something like an objective reality. This 'objective' world has some weird properties, some of which are mostly not understood and would be called supernatural. And the 'objective' world is affected by thought. However, we don't just make it up any way we want to. There's a way that it works that can be studied and understood to an extent.

The dream experience is the same as the waking experience, but the sensory information is not being fed in directly. So it is more disconnected from the external world in that sense. It is not an alternative 'world' though. The imagination is the same in both cases - the worlds we dream in are the same in both cases. But only during waking life are we dreaming directly of physical surroundings.

There are things we may be aware of when dreaming during sleep that we are not aware of while awake. But those things aren't really inside the dream, they're inspiring or informing it. And those things are present during waking life too, even if we can't perceive them as easily because we're overwhelmed by sensory information. Those other things are why I am interested in dreaming, it isn't the dreaming itself. But to some degree I can experience those things while awake also. If I 'go to another dimension' while dreaming, then I can go there in my mind while awake also.

What does this mean, "another dimension"? I think it doesn't quite make sense, it isn't the right word. I don't have the right word though, or the understanding to go with it.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

What does this mean, "another dimension"? I think it doesn't quite make sense, it isn't the right word. I don't have the right word though, or the understanding to go with it.

I'm going to take a guess and say that the OP was referring to the Reality Shifting?

This is a question that i have frequently asked over the years of my lucid dreaming. The responses I usually receive from people within my dream have been along the lines of:

1. You just come here from time to time, we remain living here in-between and will continue to do so.
2. This dream world is not of my creation
3. I have been shown illustrations representing three realities

I am very open minded and have asked questions in my dreams without expecting answers and have been surprised most of the time at what I am told or shown. It is nonetheless an interesting concept.