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      Astral experience in full sound and colour, and with dialogue.

      During a lucid experience last night (an astral projection by my definition), I was mindful enough to ask a bartender (well, he was the only one there), whether this whole environment was a construction by my mind, or whether it was created by others.

      His answer came in loud and clear: it's made by others!

      Now, this experience was unusual for two reasons. Beyond having imagery as clear as the physical world (which is always the case in my astral experiences), the sound was excellent too, so that I could hear my own voice, as well as the bartender's, clearly. My astral projections have almost invariably been into silent movie territory. Also, the bartender could actually speak sentences. I don't even get that in my lucid dreams, because the DC's speak only gibberish there. (This also means that they never lie to me).

      Later, the bartender admonished me to not venture "out there" (meaning outside of the safe confines of the room we were in), because I "would never find my way out there". He then wanted to show me something, but I woke up before knowing what it was. Talk about poorly timed awakening!

      This goes on my list of particularly thought provoking experiences.
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      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      Hosted worlds in the middle of the chaos storm. Sometimes a church sometimes a city. The creator (of that realm) has much of their energy out maintaining the features and stability of the area. Truly the lucid experience can be so much better in these areas. Side note: There are entities who when they are around everything gets more stable and even you own abilities may seem stronger by a measure.
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      I suppose, if you are in harmony with the overall intentions of those creating an environment, everything will be much easier to accomplish, than if you are at odds with those intentions. Maybe that should be on the astral traveller's mind: seeking out friendly neighbourhoods.
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      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      For sure! I have messed up many times grabbing at a sexy woman only to find out they react much as we would here. My go to when I am not sure is to sit down and look down then say out loud "I mean no harm, I am just confused" When things go right you can be a welcome guest and then you really can be amazed what things they have going on in their areas.
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      I still think all the imagery is metaphoric. There's an underlying reality to it, represented in the imagery, but what you see and hear is mostly made up.

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      There are entities who when they are around everything gets more stable and even you own abilities may seem stronger by a measure.
      Do these entities eat? If so how? If not, how does entropy work for them?

      Are they fundamentally different from dead people, or dead animals, or dead dragons?

      I saw a video today of a man socially interacting with familiar hyenas, as if he were a hyena. They were affectionate and aggressive, sort of like wolves, but more so. Some strange experiences I have had might make sense if interpreted as dominance sparring from a disembodied and somewhat dangerous animal spirit. Much stronger than what I feel from physical animals, and expressing a very different kind of intelligence. Everything is way clearer and more stable when it is 'present'.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      I still think all the imagery is metaphoric. There's an underlying reality to it, represented in the imagery, but what you see and hear is mostly made up.



      Do these entities eat? If so how? If not, how does entropy work for them?

      Are they fundamentally different from dead people, or dead animals, or dead dragons?

      I saw a video today of a man socially interacting with familiar hyenas, as if he were a hyena. They were affectionate and aggressive, sort of like wolves, but more so. Some strange experiences I have had might make sense if interpreted as dominance sparring from a disembodied and somewhat dangerous animal spirit. Much stronger than what I feel from physical animals, and expressing a very different kind of intelligence. Everything is way clearer and more stable when it is 'present'.
      Hi again! I am not sure what all you mean by eat. I have only been close with a couple of them, One guy who could cause me to reach profound levels of clarity in the astral dream was a monk. He took me to dine with a couple of his friends at some restaurant/tavern The four of us sat about a table and food was brought. Kind of a sample platter. At least one had some Gandalf pipe and was smoking. I could barely understand what was said. So my conclusion is that this one does eat. I have been offered food many time, so it seems they eat something.
      This guy was a dead guy but was fundamentally different in that he claimed to be Dream Yogi from Earth who had been vacationing for 4 decades in the Astral. He took me under his wing for maybe ten years, then introducced me to a woman and made me show off my skills for her. then he disappeared. She told me he chose to get reborn on Earth as there was something he wanted to do. I have never seen him again.
      As an aside I have spent years with this woman and her two daughters (occasionally) and they also eat and offer me food.

      Oh yeh, you are totally right about the imagery. They hand me food and my brain fills in "chili dog" but it was metaphor stuff. Traveling in a new world that you don't understand so your brain creates images to help. Often the humans you think you are interacting with are not even a bit human, you just interoperate them that way.
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      Dead people or animals will dream of eating because they eat when they are alive. That doesn't mean they really eat.

      Plants in the real world convert radient energy into chemical energy, and animals move around by converting chemical energy into heat energy. There's a sort of gradient of potential in the physical world, and we can do things because we're moving down the gradient. How does this work astrally?

      Suppose I meet the ghost of an animal predator, and it attempts to eat me. My question is whether it is simply expressing its instinct as an animal, or whether its interaction with me is actually vampiristic in an energy sense.

      I think that most if not all of these 'ghosts' can't really think on their own either, they're dependent on us for that, because we have brains and they don't. So the things they tell us, including the ideas they express about their own identities, are strongly dependent on the ideas we have or are capable of extracting psychically from other brains, past, present or (relatively near) future. Some seem highly intelligent in the way they can reach and relate many metaphorically connected experiences which are beyond what we can reach or wrap our minds around as humans. But their intelligence seems derivative to me at the same time. There's a presumption among many that there's a spiritual realm of knowledge that ghost masters draw on, but I think it is our own physical realm. So it is possible to learn a lot from such spirits for a time. But eventually, even if it takes years, the pool of human experience they can tap into is exhausted, and they don't have more to offer. There are always spirits who are willing to 'guide' us if that's what we want, but eventually they are following us, so it is like we are following our own shadows. When a dreamer interacts with such a spirit, it isn't easy to recognize the spirit's limitations, because from the standpoint of the the dreamer, the spirit's information pool exceeds the dreamer's, since it has access to both the dreamer's mind and to other minds. But if someone else who has less knowledge than you on some subject tells you what a 'master' or extra-terrestrial told them in a dream, the message is quite often ridiculous. And so the presumed identity of the teacher appears ridiculous also. The 'teacher' isn't necessarily to blame for this though, it may not know its own identity apart from what other people want to believe about it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      1)Dead people or animals will dream of eating because they eat when they are alive. That doesn't mean they really eat.



      2)Suppose I meet the ghost of an animal predator, and it attempts to eat me. My question is whether it is simply expressing its instinct as an animal, or whether its interaction with me is actually vampiristic in an energy sense.

      3)I think that most if not all of these 'ghosts' can't really think on their own either, they're dependent on us for that, because we have brains and they don't. .
      1) I can accept that as likely. In fact many entities and the realms they choose to live in are basically creating dreamy versions of our world. That said, the monk has explained to me that a visitor like me has no "wealth" or "material" and everything I manifest is simply illusory. He also says there absolutely is a form of matter there that can be used to create "real" things. I talked with a woman once who was my first teacher and closely associated with the monk. I noticed that her magical looking green shawl radiated in the same way that allows me to distinguish between DCs and entities. She told me that was because unlike so much of what I see, the shawl was "real." I asked her if that meant I was naked. She laughed and told me I absolutely was naked, but no one cared. Many other lessons have been on trying to get me to understand and detect the difference between illusion on the astral and actual astral matter. Yet, I have no idea why they eat and how much of it is some form of matter and how much is them just liking to experience eating (illusion). Some of both I think as they often act protective of food which they would not if it was an illusion. For instance I can not simply take food off of someone's cart without getting in trouble.

      2) There is some of each. Aggression happens there and often it is just actors playing at aggression or like you say animals acting out aggression. There also is some form of vampiric bad stuff that can happen. I was attacked once and whatever the literal ghost was doing was terrible and not illusory so I was forced to escape to this world and wake up.

      3) I bet you are correct on many of the beasts and entities. However, it is one of the two core religious tenets I hold to that consciousness can exist with out the need for a physical form to create it. That does not make me correct, but as I only hold to two core principles 1: energies exist that we have no way of detecting and do not understand which can effect the physical world and 2: consciousness can exist with out a physical source, it is easy for me to believe the entities we run into can be very smart and perhaps god like.
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