OBE'S

ok ive had an obe once or twice before, but this one was different. I think it might have been different because i tried to induce it. I was taking a nap and i was already in the partial state already (i could see what was on the tv) when i realized this, i decided that i wanted to leave my body all together. I rolled over and began the process which is when it got weird. It was kind of like the sleep paralysis phenomon you always hear about. I got a really strong tingling feeling which felt normal to me at first, but then i started to shake and then i started to convulse. I wasnt sure if this was normal or not and it startled me a little so i stopped. there was a lot of light around me. it could have been just from the window, but im not sure. ive had an obe before, but it was by accident and i dont remember this happening. so....is that wierd?

sorry i cant answer the qeustion but is and obe just having a dream where you "wake in the dream (knowing it is a dream)" exactly where you fell asleep or is it more "spiritual"

well ya i knew i was lucid. but this wasnt just lucidity. i really almost left my body altogether.

Although I'm not saying OBE's are impossible or anything, there's still a good chance this was simply a dream. You might have dreamt about rolling over and convulsing and everything, while completely concious, but unaware that you were already dreaming and thus, technically, not lucid.
Then again, maybe I don't understand the situation very well. I've never had an OBE before myself anyway.

I was going to leave this for somebody with first-hand experience of OBEs, but i'm not sure if there are very many of such people around here or not, so i'll share my own view your experience. Keep in mind i've never had a successful OBE, but i do believe i've come very close a number of times, to the point of hardly feeling my body at all and having the sensation of floating in nothingness. Plus, i have talked to many people who have had many OBEs and was activiely interested in it for quite a while.

What you have described sounds like a pretty 'standard' experience of astral projection/OBE. While attempting astral projection, around the time of the 'split', many people report what's referred to as vibrations. Some people in fact don't have them, but those who do have them report different things. For some people it's a pulsing sensation, others "fuzziness", others slight prickly sensations, it varies from person to person. What you're describing could very well be vibrations. Having said that, i'm not sure of the severity of these convulsions (not that knowing would qualify me to answer the question any better), and i don't want to claim this as fact. I'm just saying it's quite possible. Increased heart beat is also reported by a lot of people. Most seem to think it has something to do with the energy center in the chest (heart chakra if you like) than the actual heart though.

As far as OBE vs Dreaming is concerned, i don't think there's any way to prove it either way. Only the person having the experience can determin that. Some say there is little difference, some say they work very similar but there is a definite difference, some say they are nothing alike. OBEs, if you take them as fact, have one main difference to lucid dreaming - the possibilty to see what is actually happening in real time.

I'm not sure myself how much of this is fact, as i haven't really experienced any of it, but i thought i'd fill you in on the general consensus, at least as far as vibrations go.

I've started to lucid dream about 3 years ago and slowly as I had more LDs I noticed that I could roughly divide them into two types:

The first one: I'm up and about somewhere in my dreamland, everything is fabricated and I'm following some scenario and playing along as I would be in my waking life. Because of some anomaly I suddenly figure out it's a dream. Then being lucid I'm still in the same environment, just consciously changing the scenario as I see fit.

The second one: I don't remember any dream but I suddenly become conscious of my body being asleep - sleep paralysis. I feel exactly in what position it's lying in bed. I take advantage of it and sit up or roll out of my body. I'm in my actual room, where I'm sleeping, and everything around seems as real as when I'm awake. There are some anomalies but not so much as in the first case.

I used to think that all this are LDs, until recently I've read about it and found out that some people call the second type OBEs.

OBEs are not always the same for me. I don't usually feel any vibrations, but the other night I did. I heard awful noise and my whole body was vibrating. I observed that for a while and then decided I had enough and just rolled out of my body.
I've had other OBEs when all of a sudden my body would eject me and I would slide to the floor.
Or I had OBEs when I became conscious in my sleeping body and before I even thought of getting out I started to float.

I had a lucid dream last night were i did was walk around my house. I knew that i was having dream, but i thought that it way too realm, but they turn out to be dreams like anything else. I say that my alarm was missing. Anyway nice avatar :mrgreen:

i had a dream that i was siting by my bed doing Tk moving objects with just my mind then i felt the dream about to end so i force it to last a little longer . then awoke fell back to sleep and this loud noise started seem like a mix between
a train coming and a alarm ... this freak me out so awoke the third time and said i want to have a lucid dream . and then thier was the guy laying on the bed so i figure it was me as i hover over the bed i said in his ear "im dreaming" then i awoke siting on that bed and his body. begin to think what sounld i do first . when this radio sound came from my ear , so i freak out thinking im starting to hear spirits.... 8) first tk dream , second obe feelings, thrid lucid dream

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sorry i cant answer the qeustion but is and obe just having a dream where you "wake in the dream (knowing it is a dream)" exactly where you fell asleep or is it more "spiritual" [/b]

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I only read the topic up to Hyper Nova's post. There seems to be alot of confusion about OBE's and Dreams/Lucid Dreams anymore...People sould read up a bit. Anyways, to my understanding an OBE is completely different than a dream/lucid dream. An OBE is an out of body experience, not sure of all the other steps, but once you get the vibrations, your astral self leaves your physical body, and you are then on the astral planes. As for a dream/lucid dream, well that's just dreams...in your head. I don't know to much, but I just hope I helped clear up a bit of confusion that i've been noticing. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Mr_Fire
As for a dream/lucid dream, well that's just dreams...in your head.

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Dreaming to me is much more then just in your head. It's a really big mystery. No one really knows for sure what the heck that means "in your head". The fact that in lucid dreams you can experience things that appear more vibrant and real then in "waking" consciousness to me is astounding.

When you really think about what occurs in dreams I am astonished that more people don't take it seriously and write it off as "it was only a dream". I think we can learn more about the nature of our own consciousness and what is going on here during our dream state then during the waking state.

I was just stating an opinion. I didn't put much time into it, nor do I think I know everything. I just said it in a sumed up way...I wasn't saying that "in your head" is all it is. But anyways. Yeah.

The major difference I generally find with OBE's vs. Lucid dreams is that bodily (or at least 'energetic') awareness is increased rather decreased, or as is the case with me, and along with the vibrations there is a lot more clarity.

But, there are those that theorize that lucid dreams are projections into the astral and that projections are just lucid dreams, but it's not like it matters. 8)

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Originally posted by Berserk_Exodus


But, there are those that theorize that lucid dreams are projections into the astral and that projections are just lucid dreams, but it's not like it matters. *8)

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I agree with you there! :cheers:

I'm new to this forum and haven't really searched it but I'll bet this debate has gone on here before.

I do think that OBE's are something much more than dreams/lucid dreams. In my opinion, OBE's are real as far as I can tell as of now. I don't like to think that they are just some kind of dream, that seems real or something of that sort. I would like to experience one, i've been close, i've gotten my foot out, with a loud *crack*, but that was it. I've been trying to get control of my lucid's/improve my dream recall before I wonder into the realm of OBE's. Yeah. :)

Isn't a good way to have a OBE is to start off in a sleep paralysis and work from there. I think i nearly had an OBE the last time i had sleep paralysis; http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....9653&highlight= i could almost see my self in the air. Also a few days after i had another one and i felt as though i could walk out of my body but when i tried i could not.