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I recently heard this weird theroy about life...
Okay, they say that life.. is like a dream. So, you die. That is "sleep" the time between "sleep" and "Awaking" (being born) could be a dream, otherwise known as afterlife. People thinking about past lifes are remembering their "dreams"
And that life is a dream from somebody, we, essentially, are DC's. The universe would end when said person wakes up.
Hmmm?
While I doubt it, if it proved true I would not be at all surprised with the amount we truely KNOW about...well...just about anything. It kind of makes sense, all of us living in a dreamshared world, with the afterlife being, like you said the time in between, just that in this dreamshared world, while nothing is impossible, something like flying, is just about impossible, meaning if you truely and completely believed you could fly, you could, but if you have the tinyest doubt you can't, I mean, walking on hot coals is possible without getting hurt (I haven't tried this, don't ask how it feels), maybe flying is also possible just much harder, so unlike a good lucid where you just do whatever, and it's easy (I haven't had one though), it is like a dream where you don't have control, and are bound by the laws of physics (ugh). I would say this is VERY unlikely, but I guess it's possible.
yes,i have a simular point of view,that i the main raison i'm LDing,to learn,to evolve
yea, life is definately a dream, a dream with very limiting constraints (at least for mortal humans), but a dream none the less
i think it will change on this planet soon however :D , but i dont know we shall see
No... ;)
So we're dreaming, WHILE we're dreaming? :?
And getting killed wakes us up?
Eh, cool theory, but I don't think I believe this one. :wink:
haha yeah thats a crazy theory, but Einstein also had a mthematicla theory, well it might not be his but it states that we live our every day like in say functions think about it, example: You wake up first thing you think is ok i gotta get a shower ok then you go to the shower then turn the water on and depending on how much cold water is running you will add hot water, then after that you will dry off etc.., but before you actualy do this you pre plan it in your brain, and every time you do somthing its like a function so to speak and it narrows down to smaller functions like for example: when turning on the hot and cold water, first of all which way turns it on, and how much of an increment do you have to turn it, then you feel the water to test the temperature but while your doing this you are trying to do it fast enough that you dont waste any water but not to fast that the temperature isnt right.
You do this all the time depending on what the task or situation is, its just how fast you do these functions in your brain and how good you are at it like sports or instruments, its all the same thing over and over, just how well and fast you learn/ do it.
Also you can compare mathematics to it like for example simple addition, say you want to go get icream and theres 4 people well you add in your mind how many people and how much cie cream, thats just a simple common example but im sure if you really thought about it , it would get more advanced, which is also why i think they teach it in schools other than the fact they use math for other shit.
lutch im confused what does that have to do with life being a dream??
i don't really mean a dream,i used the world dream to deskrive it,it's like a cartoon trying to tell kids about history in a easy way,u know what i mean
Hmm, makes one think back to Carroll.
A boat beneath a sunny sky,
Lingering onward dreamily,
In an evening of July...
Children three that nestle near,
Eager eye and willing ear,
Pleased a simple tale to hear...
Long has pailed that sunny sky,
Echoes fade and memories die,
Autumn frosts have slain July...
Still she haunts me phantomwise,
Alice moving under skies,
Never seen by waking eyes...
Children yet the tale to hear,
Eager eye and willing year,
Lovingly shall nestle near...
In a Wonderland they lie,
Dreaming as the days go by,
Dreaming as the summers die...
Ever drifting down the stream,
Lingering in the golden dream,
Life, what is it but a dream?
Life is indeed a dream, just one with a lot of friction and resistance to acceptance of that fact. But its more like a shared dream, where we are all responsible for the manifestations that are occurring. There is a lot of resistance to the dreamlife because that means people giving up what they believe they are in control of, which they really aren't - basically submitting to the unknown. Humans as a group really have no clue as to whats really going on - sure there are lots of theories and definitions, but underneath it all is this very mercurial existence..
-J
While I am not ruling it out as a possibility, I found a major flaw in this theory that I didn't notice before. The problem is that if we are the dreams of someone else, and when we are born, that is when they fall asleep, then what are our dreams? While I do tend to believe shared dreaming is possible, not all our dreams are shared, and has anyone actualy had a dream where they live out a whole life from birth to death? The problem is that if we are the dreams of others, yet certain rules apply, then our dreams should theoretically work the same way, yet we all agree that ANYTHING is possible (and if you're good, easy ) in a lucid, yet here, while there are stories of levitation or whatever, it is MUCH more difficult and requires years (probably more like decades) of practice to achieve (if it's at all possible).
Well, maybe we are all having a shared dream within someone else's dream, and we are all living a birth til death storyline within that dream. There is, of course, no way to prove any of this, but it does stretch your (and our) consciousness to think about. Personally, I think we and the world that we experience are our own creations, both accidentally and willfuly. I don't really think we are in someone else's dream, but I do think our lives are way more malleable and synchronistic than we can begin to accept as real.
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It doesnt i was just saying it because it was a fucked up theory, haha.
So are you saying we are lucky then and this guy is having a long ass dream??? (Wayward Oneironaut or h.e u spell it)
David Bohm's Implicate Order theory proposes that consciousness may be the one true constant. We are all connected in the implicate order of things (the physically undetectable reality which lies beyond the veil of human perception) and a "singular consciousness" This consciousness then unfolds into the illusory explicate order (5-sense reality).
This would suggest that the one true consciousness (which could be refered to, I think, as God, if you were religious enough to do so) is actually split into seemingly separate entities; us, and we then act as compartments within that singular consciousness, each with their own perspective on the explicate order reality. Instead of calling these seemingly individual entities (us) "individual," because he feels the reductionist philosophy of You and I being "separate" is incorrect, he likens us to tiny whirlpools connected by a single body of water. They each have their own spin, their own sway, but they are, ultimately, connected on a level that is imperceivable to each whirlpool (by the water between them). He instead calls our individual selves "subtotalities," as we each give off and perceive the illusion of being completely self contained and seperated from the "others," when we're really not.
If this is true, then life is but a dream, because the dream is all there is. The dream is a byproduct of the singular consciousness which has "divided" into our consciousnesses, which are having the dreams, that are filling this forum.
That's only a theory, or a portion of the theory, but it's one of the most solid, today.
sounds plausible
Actually, what Oneironaut just explained is really along the lines of what I believe to be happening. As for the other idea, that we are part of another person's (or thing's?) dream - we could never really know if its a "long" or a "short" dream - it is all relativistic and we form our lives around whatever time period there is. But, to my mind, Bohm (as explained by Oneironaut), is very close to whats actually going on.
I think that "We are in somebodys dream" Means that, like Laberge said, You CAN live a life in a dream, but, like a movie, it would only show the important parts (Like wars) not trival things like going to the bathroom, etc. He/She/IT would be only seeing the important things.
DREAMS ARE REAL WHILE THEY LAST; WHAT MORE CAN BE SAID ABOUT LIFE
It's kinda hard to prove that something that is not part of physical reality exists using things physical. I mean you can't really prove anything completely, and reason has to based on some kind of assumption. There aren't any true facts because everyone in the world didn't see it and proof by example doesn't work because there's no way you can know for sure that the 5000000 time you do it it won't change. So we can't prove anything in real life, or prove that something non-physical exists or functions using physical methods. Eventually everyone has faith in something.
I have thought about this kind of thing for awhile now. I believe in this theory. The reason we can't fly is because we haven't obtained full awareness yet. As in, nobody will ever obtain COMPLETE lucidity in the waking world, because our minds don't allow it. Think about it, this is not to farfetched. Whenever we fall asleep we enter a new life and whenever we wake up we end that life in death. :wink: