Thread: Reccomended Reading For Astral Projectors

Very good.... thanks for the suggestions.

Blissful

I've read 60 pages of the second document. It's so good!!

wow the second document looks quite promising. I've read Robert Bruce's before but haven't seen the second one. Nice to see more of this out there. Thanks for posting the link.

I have Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce, but I stopped trancing daily because I have other things on my mind...

I'm going to keep trying to Astral Project.

recently i notice that even if I try to OBE, i usually just end up in a dream state and start flying. it's rare i get the "body separation" feeling anymore. even when I do WILD-type induction the colored lights and wild visuals don't show up.

I believe that is all an artifact of doing it early on, after i've done it alot it is quite different. any long time OBE'ers have different experiences? I am curious to see how it has evolved for the rest of you. In meditation they say the WILD type visuals are just the first stage and later you just enter the void,that's kinda how it is for me...

The first time I even THOUGHT of OBEing was one morning when I was rolling the idea around in my mind. I lied down, started to meditate, and after a few minutes I could see my room through my closed eyes! I continued and the "buzz" erupted around my body. I only succeeded in getting my lower half off the bed.

try rolling to the side next time. that helped the first time I was trying to project. the 'pull straight up and out' way was a bit difficult for me at first so I tried rolling. getting the 'will' down for moving your energy body is a bit tricky. When I had done alot more controlled flying in lucid dreaming, it was easier to project out of my body from lying down position.

btw, if you have a walkin closet, it really helps. inside is dark and outside is light, you are naturally drawn to the light. i can strongly recommend a walkin closet for anyone seriously interested in dreaming. I've heard really good things about floatation devices too, but never tried one. I guess the concept is the same...

after reading the book on OOBE's (second one) I feel the need to comment on it.

He focuses heavily on the occupt aspect of astral projection and the concept when you dream or LD or OOBE you are traversing in the astral plane. This is a bit a knowledge that is more based on occultic hearsay but less on actual first-hand experience. The author is talking about what you will find in the "astral planes":

"...Buildings are very strange on the planes - they seem to go on forever!One hall leads to another leads to another leads to another seemingly forever. I will go into some of my experiencesin much more detail below. Right now all I'm trying to do is give you an idea of the incredibly rich
variety of places to explore and discover in the planes..."

If the author had indeed picked a single object in anyone of those worlds and done an objective reality test on that object, i.e. looking at that object in the LD then another then back to the first one, he would have noticed that the dream world is emphemeral, it is not real but a mentally created illusion. Those "astral plane" visits are not actual places but projections created out of our mind. They are all fantastic, bizarre and incredible, but *at first* they are just mental creations.

Later, indeed you can visit real places either on this world or in other worlds, but 99% of the visitors to the dream world, *if* they tested what they were seeing would discover that the objects change/shift and don't have cohesiveness. Big exception to this are people in the dream world, as they often have real energy behind the projected illusion of the person...

to me, it really helps to de-mystify the entire astral project, oobe or lucid dreaming phenomenon, it causes you to be alot more objective about what you experience and not get caught away in illusions...

there is alot of good info in that treatise though, so it is worthwhile to read, especially in the induction techniques section...

I like the section E, page 74 "Things you can do there you can't do here.", lol that's debateable there are many people who discover powers in dreaming and find out they awakened them in real life

If you happen to read on through the book, you will also notice that he says:

Whatever you read on Astral Projection, take it with a little skecptism, because this are the accounts of that person alone, and the Astral plane is something beyond human comprehension, something without set rules- you can't take everything people say for a rock solid fact, or you will find things contradictory.[/b]

IMHO, astral plane is huge. You can materialize either in earth like enviroment. Or you can follow "scouts" to go into other worlds, which are still within astral plane...

Kinda like universe - there are aliens out there, they live according to their ways, and so on...

Same thing happens in astral plane...

Just my humble opinion