Thread: So I guess Astral Projection may be the real deal...???

By the way, I want to add that I am usually a very calm person and "weird" feelings usually don't get my scared/nervous. It's just that the feeling was so...weird. Not really painful at all...just WEIRD!

Just thinking about the feeling makes my spine shiver a bit.

It's conscious sleep paralysis or WILD. I've had it numerous times and felt my second body leave my real body.

So if you call that second body "astral", it's evidence that Astral Projections are real? Way to go. It's just a special state of sleep.

Well, I want to try it out.

Can you post the method?

Originally posted by Korittke
It's conscious sleep paralysis or WILD. I've had it numerous times and felt my second body leave my real body.

So if you call that second body "astral", it's evidence that Astral Projections are real? Way to go. It's just a special state of sleep.

It's evidence enough for some people. Maybe not evidence for anyone else, like a lot say, you'll only know for yourself.

WILDs are pretty cool. I don't float out of my body, I roll-out of it.

I think OBEs are real, but I think they are alot more rare than some may think. Once your brain actually has the real experience, it has the ability to replicate that experience over and over again. I think my first two were real, it was like I was really out-of-body. It felt hyper-real, and there were no fantasy elements at all. My mind was blown away. After that, I got the same feeling as I would when having an OBE, but dream-like fantasy elements were introduced, and supposidly that is AP.

Actually, there is a way to maybe prove it to others, and really prove it to yourself. If you another person can AP at about the same time, and same location, if you both can see yourselves, talk to eachother, and then repeat the convo waking up. I want to try this with my little brother, but he still sucks at WILDs because he's just lazy - he can do it, has done it, but just doesn't have the will-power to in the morning (I sometimes don't but I atleast attempt once in a while )

WILD is dream inside your own mind.
AP or OBE is your mind traveling in the world.

They appear to have many elements in common (vibrations, weightlessness) leading many to believe that OBE = WILD.

In a lucid dream if you look at a digital clock, then look away, then look back, the time will not show consistently. (This appears to relate to short term visual memory operating differently in a dream). Another test is to read some text, look away, then look back - the text will be different or may disappear.

Try these comparisons if you think you may be in an OBE - can you tell accurate time by checking digital clock several times in a row, can you read text over several times?

These test are NOT objective proof, but at least they provide some subjective standard to show whether or not you are in a WILD.

I recommend picking up the book "The Holographic Universe," by Michael Talbot. It is the author's explanation of physicist David Bohm's (among others) theory of the immaterial nature of the universe which gives a very solid telling of the possible basis for mind-over-mater phenomena. It's given in a very easy to digest (not very technical) but very in-depth way, complete with a massive reference section to hundreds of other books, journals and documented evidence on just about everything it covers.
With the way it's presented, it should help you get a better grasp on how AP is possible (assuming it is possible) and should make it easier to break the mental conditioning that it's just "too wild to be true." (assuming it's not)

Check it out.

Originally posted by Asclepius
WILD is dream inside your own mind.
AP or OBE is your mind traveling in the world.

They appear to have many elements in common (vibrations, weightlessness) leading many to believe that OBE = WILD.

In a lucid dream if you look at a digital clock, then look away, then look back, the time will not show consistently. *(This appears to relate to short term visual memory operating differently in a dream). *Another test is to read some text, look away, then look back - the text will be different or may disappear.

Try these comparisons if you think you may be in an OBE - can you tell accurate time by checking digital clock several times in a row, can you read text over several times?

These test are NOT objective proof, but at least they provide some subjective standard to show whether or not you are in a WILD.

Actually the Astral Plane if it exists is described as being dream-like, so the digital clock test would not work there.

But if you actually OBE into the physical world... then yeah, it will work.

Well i guess, if spirits can manifest as energy, (If you believe in that) then cant we too?

Bah, perhaps I should have further explained.

Of course I'm familiar with the WILD vibrations and what not---these weren't it.

The best way I can describe the feeling would be 2 seperate vibrations. I don't know...it was if my "other" vibration took complete control and sorta started sucking me up (after the initial exercise was complete), which ultimately scared the shit out of me.

The "evidence" was me being up in the air less than a foot above my body. I was completely conscious mind you. I'm still not 100% sold yet, but a lot of doubt has washed away.

Someone asked the method? Well, the way I saw it was I had to "fool" my subconscious mind into thinking I was asleep, and then do the cube visualization.

The cube visualization is basically visualizing a cube about 6-7 feet above your head. Visualize the cube moving up and down (towards you and away from you) all while imagining your astral body swaying. Once the vibrations get intense, just sorta use the swaying motion to launch yourself up out of your body--with the help of the cube. The feeling of leaving may seem unpleasant...I wish there was a way to negate that step, because it was very uncomfortable.

Yeah, I'll try to get a link of where I read it (it had pictures and everything.)

By the way, I mistakenly said Monroe's method. Sorry, I meant Robert PETERSON.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap24.html


After chapter 24, a big chunk of his credability went out the window. I mean, he claims to have aquired 10+ psychic powers after conquering OBE's. Ehh, his method is pretty damn good though.

After reading the first chapter of the second part, it became boring so I stopped reading it. I might have to go back and finish it off later. Which 10+ psychic powers did he claim to gain? How related are they? I'm not even sure if I read about that.

Originally posted by Radiant
Today I just ordered "Astral Dynamics" and Monroe's first book "Journey Out of the Body" just to satisfy my curiousity.

I was interested in this very subject after experiencing what I thought were OBE's. I would get them occasionally while trying some WILD.

I've just completed reading "Astral Dynamics" and I'd say it's a pretty good read. The Author is able to share some techniques for exit and goes into some other subjects such as death and explanation of the "planes" he believes are in existence. Some of the techniques include spinning, bouncing, and the rope technique.

I haven't been successful with any of them due to my inability to relax. The only way I could actually "project" (or dream) is to do some WILD where I concentrate on my breathing during the early morning and get back to sleep.

Unfortunately for me, my dreams are rarely vivid during a nap, which is probaly necessary for projection in the middle of the day.

Heh, I remember reading like 20+ chapters of that book you linked. I reserve my judgement until I actually have the experience.

However I have one problem with the concept of AP. Astral refers to the plane of existence and IIRC it comes from hinduism or buddhism or something like that (sorry, it been a long time since i read up on that). Anyways, the planes are existence as they are described are Material, Etherial, Astral, Mental, Buddhic, Karmic and something else. Now we live on the material plane, there's an Etherial plane (like radio waves and other invisible phenomenon) that overlaps the Material plane. Astral plane and above arent supposed to look anything like the Material plane, if they can be seen at all. For example the Mental plane is described as pure ideas rather than anything physical. So there is a very serious question to all the OBErs and APrs: if you suddenly appear in your bedroom, then you are on Material or Etherial plane, so you *would* be able to verify the data you see in your experience vs the data from the Material plane.
Now, if you claim that you had an AP, there would be no bedroom at all, I have no clue how that's supposed to look, but I highly doubt there would be houses and trees and birds since you are on a different plane that has nothing to do with the material one...

Oliver Fox's "Astral Projection" may be out of print, but see if you can get a copy used.

The problem with both Monroe and Bruce are that they are New Age Hawkers. Everything they say and do is slanted toward making more money with books and weekend seminars. Oliver Fox and Sylvan Muldoon (heard of him) approached Astral Projection more honestly ... with less of an eye toward merchandising potential.

But Bruce does write a good book. After so many other people have done the exploration and the pioneering, he does a good job of picking everything up as he has found it. Something of an opportunist. he looked around and saw that the last generation of Astral Projectors were old and tired and were no longer touring with their money grubbing Weekend Seminars. So he jumped into the breech. Imagine the Business Plan he provided his Bank.

But he should have stuck with the discipline of Astral Projection. His book was already fat, but he wanted to make it fatter. His book wonders into many new age cliches and therefore a lot of just plain silly nonsense. He has a chapter on auras which simply lays out the negative image fraud, which consistently fools old ladies and housewives but has no place among the coherently thoughtful. One should feel insulted to spend good money on a book and then find it so patronizing. If one wanted that, one could buy a Harry Potter book.

What it does is it hurts his own spiritual credibility. One supposes that Astral Projection, and Lucid Dreaming and indeed any Successful Spiritual Pursuit should be accompanied by Realization and Wisdom. and then to find the Leaders in the Field acting with silliness and stupidity. Well, one must suspect as I do, that they must be a fraud.

Originally posted by Follower
Please explain to me what is the difference between the vibrations in WILD and the vibrations in OBE (mentioned in this thread)?

As to what these Vibrations are, there is absolutely no difference. The difference arises with whatever technique one wishes to apply to them. Frankly I am puzzled regarding what it is that a Lucid Dreamer would do with the Vibrations of Sleep Paralysis. For an Astral Projector, one would use the Vibrations as a sign that the Astral Body is momentarily out of Resonance with the Physical Body and would take that opportunity to depart and leave the Body.

Originally posted by Ev
Heh, I remember reading like 20+ chapters of that book you linked. I reserve my judgement until I actually have the experience.

However I have one problem with the concept of AP. Astral refers to the plane of existence and IIRC it comes from hinduism or buddhism or something like that (sorry, it been a long time since i read up on that). Anyways, the planes are existence as they are described are Material, Etherial, Astral, Mental, Buddhic, Karmic and something else. Now we live on the material plane, there's an Etherial plane (like radio waves and other invisible phenomenon) that overlaps the Material plane. Astral plane and above arent supposed to look anything like the Material plane, if they can be seen at all. For example the Mental plane is described as pure ideas rather than anything physical. So there is a very serious question to all the OBErs and APrs: if you suddenly appear in your bedroom, then you are on Material or Etherial plane, so you *would* be able to verify the data you see in your experience vs the data from the Material plane.
Now, if you claim that you had an AP, there would be no bedroom at all, I have no clue how that's supposed to look, but I highly doubt there would be houses and trees and birds since you are on a different plane that has nothing to do with the material one...

That's a good point. I thought about that as well. Supposidly AP is based off thought, so maybe people who expect to end up in there room will. Let's just say all the WILDs I had since I joined were OBEs, only one of those had me end up in a random location that I had never been in before or seen in my life.