Thread: Dreams May Be An Entrance To The 4th Dimension.

Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

a couple mornings ago i went to sleep and i had a dream that went through many days, but i woke up 5 minutes later. it was one of the longest dreams i have ever had. then i thought that maybe in dreams time can be controled as easily as the other 3 dimensions.
discuss: My super long dream in a 5 minute period
Could dreams be a glimpse of the 4th dimension.
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I could not agree with you more. Modern western psychology and it's issues of our minds being totally unconnected, and independent of each other is ridiculous to me. I believe that every night we meet real people or connect to their dreams. Or we may even skip off into other dimensions. To believe that are dreams are just created by or own minds and our own experiences gives me the feeling of confinment. I believe our minds are free and I feel connected by having this opinion, and i like it.

Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

a couple mornings ago i went to sleep and i had a dream that went through many days, but i woke up 5 minutes later. it was one of the longest dreams i have ever had. then i thought that maybe in dreams time can be controled as easily as the other 3 dimensions.
discuss: My super long dream in a 5 minute period
Could dreams be a glimpse of the 4th dimension.
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Interesting point. Whenever I am on a long flight or someone else is driving on a long car ride I will often take a nap, due to the lack of sleep compounded by school and too many hours computer gaming. When ever I nap the time seems to fly by. It seems that before i know it I have slept for 4 and a half hours and the flight is almost over. Yet when I dream it seems to be quite the opposite. I too will have dreams that appear to last longer than the time I am actually dreaming. Imagine how productive we would be if we could harness this fourth dimension and use it to "expand", for lack of a better word, our work time. And be able to do that durring our free time as well. I need to find a way to do that. Instead of übersleeping we would have überliving.

Dreams dilate time. Your mind can warp five minutes to seem like a year, leaving highlights and specific scenes behind. This is quite similar to reading a book and then watching the movie. This is also probably the case with the "Monk who lived 100 years in one night." You wake up thinking that since your dream had scenes from different days, years, or even lifetimes, that you lived through it all, and it truly feels like you did.

The mind is a very interesting thing.

As for the 4th dimension thing, as much as I would like to, I don't believe in anything like that.

We would all like to believe that our minds are connected on some other plane of consciousness, but when you look at the facts, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that our minds and dreams are connected (although once I experience anything that says they may be I'll likely change my mind )

anyway There's no reason why our minds couldn't let us experience days worth of time in 5 minutes. That is... our minds are more than likely capable to bend perception of time and make it so that we have the normal (what you would have looking back at a day from a week ago) memories that we would have from 2 hrs, 2 years, or even 2 lifetimes.
But to pass off our minds creating these things as "They go into another dimension where space and time are totally different from ours!!!" is just ignorant.... there's no reason to suspect that whatsoever

PS. beyond dreaming

As Limitz said, the mind can't measure time in dreams very well, resulting in dreams feeling long altough they are not.

I do not think we are connected to a fourth dimension myself, but I hope we are; it would open many possibilities. I do think there is a possibility we are in a fourth dimension when dreaming, though.

And I have also had dreams feeling rather long, altough I did not sleep any much at all during those nights.

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

We would all like to believe that our minds are connected on some other plane of consciousness, but when you look at the facts, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that our minds and dreams are connected (although once I experience anything that says they may be I'll likely change my mind )

anyway There's no reason why our minds couldn't let us experience days worth of time in 5 minutes. That is... our minds are more than likely capable to bend perception of time and make it so that we have the normal (what you would have looking back at a day from a week ago) memories that we would have from 2 hrs, 2 years, or even 2 lifetimes.
But to pass off our minds creating these things as "They go into another dimension where space and time are totally different from ours!!!" is just ignorant.... there's no reason to suspect that whatsoever

PS. beyond dreaming
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I have to totally object to your opinion. I have study psychology in university (just two years) and read many books on dreaming and the human mind. To NASA the final fontier is space, but little do people know that so very little is known about the human mind. So to people who try to tell me that dreams are created in a humans mind (but we have almost no clue how a human mind works). Why don't YOU give ME some proof!

THANK YOU, thank you for bringing this up. I don't have a lot to say about it right now, but I totally agree. I'll be indisposed to do so for the next couple years...but after that I intend to devote a lot of time to studying that very idea.

Just to clear some things up for people that don't understand anything about the concept of dimensions, the "4th dimension" is simply the dimension of time. The word dimension has two meanings: 1) A solitary plane of existence seperate from other planes of existence (as In our dimension vs the dimension of heaven, hell, etc. You get the idea.) or 2) The measurement of spacial extent and/or the characteristics thereof.

In this case, there is no seperate plane of existence called "the 4th dimension", so I'll have to assume your meaning falls under definition number 2. It still makes little sense. We cannot have a "glimpse" of time persay. We can experience it and its effects, but to 'see' time is something that human beings are incapable of. Mind you, it sounds improbable on any level you look at it. That being said, we live in a 4 dimensional world already, which consists of height, width, depth, and time. It is proposed that there may be over 11 dimensions to our existence in string theory, but that's another matter.

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I'm not sure about the whole 4th dimension thing as I don't really get what the 4th dimension is. Basically though, I believe you can experience a long time in dreams in just a few minutes of real life time. The mind may just trick us into believing we've been dreaming for that long, or maybe we have? If it feels so much like we have, maybe trying to explain it away through the reason of our mind tricking us is just keeping us from realising that something really amazing is actually happening when we dream? Maybe our long dreams which go for only a few minutes are more than just our mind making time seem longer, maybe it actually is? If it feels real, who says it isn't?

That's just my opinion, I bet a bit of that didn't make sense (maybe even the whole thing, i'm not sure, my opinion's kinda scattered everywhere).

Scientist's have proven that there is matter that is vibrating (oscillating) at such a high frequency that it is beyond the detectable range of our senses. So there could be other planes of existence, in which we are still objects, or something I don't know. lol

Originally Posted by Chaos

Scientist's have proven that there is matter that is vibrating (oscillating) at such a high frequency that it is beyond the detectable range of our senses. So there could be other planes of existence, in which we are still objects, or something I don't know. lol
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I believe it. Take out hearing for example. We can only hear within certain frequencies.

I would have thought it would have opened the door to the 5th dimension, which could be the astral plane. I thought we were already in the 4th dimension.

I wouldn't necessarily call dreams an entrance to the fourth dimension, but rather a means of manipulating it. Then again, I tend to be analytical in many cases.

I agree with this idea of dreams possibly being able to manipulate the 4th dimension. Not in that we travel through it, as if it grants us the ability to travel in 4 dimensions instead of the normal 3, but that we gain access to the control of the speed at which we perceive things, like how time seems to slow down during a car crash. For those who are confused about the concepts of the 4th dimension, 5th dimension, and so on, here's an interesting site that explains one point of view on the subject:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
so if we really wanted to "travel" in the fourth dimension, we'd have to be able to "see" the 5th dimension or something like that.
also, anybody seen donnie darko? I didn't get the whole snake thing in there until I watched that flash movie I posted, that's kind of relevant to this I think.

Lol, I have been on a full camp while on a dream!!!

It's awesome....

Originally Posted by GiraffeToothbrush

I wouldn't necessarily call dreams an entrance to the fourth dimension, but rather a means of manipulating it. Then again, I tend to be analytical in many cases.
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If that were the case, we would be able to travel back and forth through time. Dont forget, the 4th dimension is the dimension of time.

The only thing we can change about the matter is our perception of it. Time may seem to go slow or fast in many instances, you experience it nearly everyday, but your not actually manipulating it.