Thread: Who's Moving That Cue-ball!?!? Is It The Wind?

It would be contained even faster if we dropped smart bombs on the drug lord's mansions.

Originally Posted by Tsen

I disagree.

For one, those numbers don't mean much: Alchohol is MUCH more widespread in its use than illegal drugs, and is used in a more recreational fashion, leading to more accidental deaths associated with it.
I'm not big on alcohol, or tobacco really, but cannabis is arguably worse for you. For one, tobacco causes cancer, lung disease and all that crap, but if you're smoking cannabis, you're doing the same damage. BUT, beyond that, cannabis causes paranoia, hallucinations, schizophrenia, memory loss and can mess with your hormone balances.
All other illegal drugs are even worse. LSD could be considered the exception, since it has very few side effects, and even then in only a few rare individuals.
Plus, you've got to consider where the drug money is going--with cannabis, it isn't a big deal. But cocaine--the money goes straight to Columbia. Guess what it's used for? Bribing officials, buying weapons to kill officials that can't be bribed, and expanding a slave-labor like system to produce the highest amount of cheap coca possible. I honestly think that we ought not only step up enforcement on cocaine dealers, but we ought to start stepping in with things in Columbia and taking out the drug lords.
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Cannabis doesn't do the same damage as tobacco does, because even though it has more tar, there are very few people who actually smoke an equivalent amount of cannabis to a heavy tobacco smoker's tobacco intake. Also, they've said that the tar in cannabis is not nearly as harmful as what's in tobacco, they've done surveys where rastas in the mountains of jamaica tended to live longer than the average person in the same area. As for what's more dangerous, hallucinations only come at much higher than normal dosage, and schizophrenia is still a very low danger compared to the way LSD can activate it. Scientists in the UK recently evaluated 20 different drugs and came up with a table rating them by overall harm, and tobacco and alcohol both came out higher than cannabis.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1912...e-revealed.html
just because cannabis is more psychoactive than tobacco, doesn't mean it's more dangerous. You wouldn't say that ecstasy is more dangerous than cocaine, and it could be argued to be far more psychoactive. Every drug has harmful effects, I just happen to have the opinion (along with many scientists and experts, apparently) that cannabis is less harmful on the whole than alcohol or tobacco.

I can agree that under current use, cannabis isn't doing as much damage. But let's say it's legalized. It's by no means a far stretch to say that if fully legalized (even if it was regulated a little--say to the same level as cigarettes), cannabis would see widespread use at the same levels as tobacco currently sees. Under those conditions, the amount of inhaled cannabis smoke is much higher, and the damage winds up being nearly as severe as tobacco damage. Perhaps not as high, given what you've just said about the tar not being as harmful, but still high enough to be a major concern. The schizophrenia is also a minor effect, same as in LSD. But the paranoia--that's a much more common effect. Memory loss is also a major effect, and that causes problems in daily life. When I said marijuana was worse for you, I didn't mean physically worse, necessarilly, because it's the mental side effects, like those two, that are the main problem.

Originally Posted by Tsen

I disagree.

For one, those numbers don't mean much: Alchohol is MUCH more widespread in its use than illegal drugs, and is used in a more recreational fashion, leading to more accidental deaths associated with it.
I'm not big on alcohol, or tobacco really, but cannabis is arguably worse for you. For one, tobacco causes cancer, lung disease and all that crap, but if you're smoking cannabis, you're doing the same damage. BUT, beyond that, cannabis causes paranoia, hallucinations, schizophrenia, memory loss and can mess with your hormone balances.
All other illegal drugs are even worse. LSD could be considered the exception, since it has very few side effects, and even then in only a few rare individuals.
Plus, you've got to consider where the drug money is going--with cannabis, it isn't a big deal. But cocaine--the money goes straight to Columbia. Guess what it's used for? Bribing officials, buying weapons to kill officials that can't be bribed, and expanding a slave-labor like system to produce the highest amount of cheap coca possible. I honestly think that we ought not only step up enforcement on cocaine dealers, but we ought to start stepping in with things in Columbia and taking out the drug lords.
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thats ridiculous. the small mindedness and factless rant that u just went on is undeniably insane. first of all, marijuana does not cause the same damage as smoking ciggarettes. theres no cyanide tar, or any of those other things in marijuana. it doesnt cause schizophrenia. it cqan increase the risk of shizophrenia, so incredibly slightly that its debatable wheter it does at all. and yeeeess lets go into columbia, im sure the columbian government wouldnt mind! lets just start another war in south america which we cant possibly support. im sure america would support starting a war in a foreign country... u know whaty im just going to stop there. obviusly u know we cant start a war in columbia just for cocaine, and u just werent thining. and last but not least, if people want to ruin there lives with cocaine, who cares? i say let them. if they want to become broke and jobless, thats fine with me. i dont need to throw them in jail and support them with my tax dollars. let the crackheads out! i dont care.

Originally Posted by Tsen

I can agree that under current use, cannabis isn't doing as much damage. But let's say it's legalized. It's by no means a far stretch to say that if fully legalized (even if it was regulated a little--say to the same level as cigarettes), cannabis would see widespread use at the same levels as tobacco currently sees. Under those conditions, the amount of inhaled cannabis smoke is much higher, and the damage winds up being nearly as severe as tobacco damage. Perhaps not as high, given what you've just said about the tar not being as harmful, but still high enough to be a major concern. The schizophrenia is also a minor effect, same as in LSD. But the paranoia--that's a much more common effect. Memory loss is also a major effect, and that causes problems in daily life. When I said marijuana was worse for you, I didn't mean physically worse, necessarilly, because it's the mental side effects, like those two, that are the main problem.
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I doubt, even if it was completely legal, ANYBODY would smoke a pack of cigarettes worth of cannabis unless they were celebrating their first day of vacation or something. Compared to tobacco, a little bit of cannabis goes a long way. Furthermore, it's not addictive like nicotine, the main reason smokers smoke so much. There's nothing to support the claim that legalization would drastically increase use in current users at all, and probably would have only a very slight effect, mainly just having more people try it. The heaviest users of cannabis probably have no problem procuring it, and legality doesn't have much to do with their intake, or they wouldn't be doing it as much as they do in the first place. As for paranoia and memory loss, there is no long term memory loss associated with cannabis whatsoever, and plenty of people who don't use cannabis who are far more paranoid than anyone else (conspiracy theorists anyone?). The only long term personality change cannabis might have is making use a habit because the experience is enjoyable. And yes, perhaps there is a slight increased risk of schizophrenia, as opposed to alcohol or tobacco, where there are increased risks of unpleasant death in many different ways. And, as mountain said, the smoke doesn't contain the same kind of tars, and the tars in cannabis are not quite as damaging as those found in tobacco.

oh yah clearly pot should be legalized...pfft...yah no question. My teachers at school even taught me that and reasons why.

the pot trade in my province is about 6-7billion$ a year...why would the gov. not tax that? ..and no more motorcycle gangs..and regulated clean weed, and new ppl wouldnt do it more (thats just stupid...) and yeah of course its not perfectly healthy...but so are lots of legal things...just educated ppl on the topic and let them make their own decisions of what they do to themselves...the governments not our mommy..

hopefully our gov. gets around to legalizing it, it was decriminalized..for about a summer once. but nooo conservative america didn't like it...

off topic? yah i bet this debates already in another thread..uh the ghost winds of jesus past.. moved the ball...yeah..mehmm

and dude america can't go into columbia and bomb drug lords...how could that work?

and yeeeess lets go into columbia, im sure the columbian government wouldnt mind![/b]

Actually, the Columbian government would probably be tripping over itself to open the doors for us. Though maybe not in public. Like I said, the drug lords in Columbia use their money to bribe officials and kill those that can't be bribed--it doesn't make for a stable system, and the Columbian government isn't exactly enthralled with it. But they lack the force to do anything themselves--the drug lords have hired virtual armies of armed men, and they've spread corruption so far into the government that the government can't reliably take action because of it.

It won't work right now, since Bush is a dipwad and has all of our troops over in the middle east, but I think it's a desirable goal for the next fifty years.

Next, about the damage of marijuana. Like I said, I'm not big on tobacco or alcohol, either. But YES, marijuana is harmful. Not long-term memory damage, but short-term. And it IS there. Also, paranoia is a known and documented effect of marijuana. Like I said, the schizophrenia is arguable, but there's a link about it back a few pages in the thread. But paranoia is something different--not major, can't sleep at night type paranoia, but the kind where you're almost sure that very little thing is not an accident and that somebody is orchestrating it.

exactly...next fifty years...i said legalization would work faster...and you said bombing is even faster...

thers also all the coke from bolivia...and else where...cocain kingpins arnt just gonna stop a billion dollar business...and the cocain growers are often poor farmers...its not like just a house you can blow up in columbia..

i think america tried a similar quick destruction of an enemy recently in iraq...

Originally Posted by Jlick

While I do agree that some drugs are horrible and do ruin peoples lifes, Cannabis does not if used by responsible people.
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True thought that’s not even an argument. I could sniff gasoline responsibly (once a year lets say)… The point is that when you use, you use. Slowly all your friends are users and you end up smoking 5 joints a night. At that point, you can’t say it’s a healthy habit.

Originally Posted by Jlick

icuurd12b42, I really think you should think about the things you say before you make yourself look like a brainwashed ignorant idiot.
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Yah, after 20 years of smoking the shit daily, I know nothing about it LOL. What are you 17? I suggest you read my posts a little more closely bud. I don't have a far right attitude about it but I do caution about over usage. I used to be so adamant about how safe the shit was, I sounded just like you: A self brainwashed ignorant idiot with scientific data (Yea, back at you puppy).

The truth is there is equal evidence that pot is bad or good. Time will tell which side of the fence you’ll be on in 20 years. And both sides will use the relevant evidence to prove their point. Both looking as foolish as their opponent. Live and let live is what I promote. Just be careful. If you did not get that then you are a fool.

Originally Posted by Jlick

I live in B.C. and i've been smoking the weed here on and off since the eighties. It is definatey more powerful. I'm a local guy so i know the best growers around here.
IN the early ninties i experimented with Lsd as well as pot, then i quit all drugs. When i started smoking pot again 8 years later i found it comparable to a lsd trip. I talk to some of my friends about it and they agree that it is a lot like acid (lsd). The only people it doesn't seem to affect are the cronic smokers. I know people that won't touch b.c. bud and would rather do mushrooms or cocaine because the pot trip is to much for them.
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Yes, I agree. But try to convince the young pups about it. You'll get the same reaction we had when we were that age.

Someone (35 years of daily smoking experience) I know warned his son (2 years daily exp) about this particular observation, He did not believe a word of it and debated the facts (same as here, same as we did at that age using the same facts we used). The son finally took LSD and he got it. He stopped his daily abuse and saved the trips for weekends. Same as we did. It’s cheaper and more fun that way.

man,ya'll remind me of a funny episode i had with that shit once. i had smoked up and was driving home, and saw a stop sign coming toward me from down the street, fast as a lightening bolt and appeared at the intersection i was about to get to. i stopped, but then all of a sudden, i saw the stop sign where it REALLY was....about 2 blocks up the street!! LMAO. never had that happen before.

and once, i smoked up on a school night. i got high and it wore off as usual, but then the next day during lunch, i spontaneously got high again. when i was back in class i was freaking out, cuz i was seated at the head of the row, and was scared the teacher would somehow figure out that i was high. fortunatly nothing happened. im sure that wasnt pure weed, though. dont mushrooms cause spontaneous highs long after consumption?

anyway, it was only that one summer, as i ve sworn off any kind of harmful substance-drugs, cigarrettes, and even alcohol.

Pot is illegal because immagraints from mexio would bring it into america when there was little or no border regulations and pot was legal but they would not go back to mexio. All it has to do with is illegal immagrants

Originally Posted by dropout14

Pot is illegal because immagraints from mexio would bring it into america when there was little or no border regulations and pot was legal but they would not go back to mexio. All it has to do with is illegal immagrants
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I dont think it's quite that simple...

anyway, I'd say the positives far outweigh the negatives when it comes to legalizing cannabis. It kills far fewer people than alcohol or tobacco and many burnouts learn to become productive members of society. It should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco, because it can create habitual heavy users, and at times can be somewhat dangerous for the person under the influence. (and by the way, it doesn't cause DAMAGE to the short term memory, it impairs the short term memory, which goes away after the drug's effects wear off)

Well, it could be successfully legalized, but it would need quite a bit of regulation--First off, to keep it out of the hands of younger kids. I know it's popular among teenagers, but habitual use of marijuana can mess with puberty and hormone balance. After that stage though (about age 14 for most people), it's a pretty safe drug, but I still don't think it should be legalized with no restrictions. First off, placing an age limit on it; say 16 or 18. Even then, it ought be monitored.

Let it be known that I feel that similar steps ought be taken with tobacco--first off, the age limit is nice, but you need to start regulating it more. Alchohol, too--drunken driving is a rampant problem that kills many, and it needs to be solved.

Anyway. In the end, yeah. I guess I could see marijuana successfully being legalized. BUT, it would need a legal age limit and it would need to be closely monitored and regulated.

of course, pot isn't good for little kids, or even middle schoolers. But then again, it shouldn't be quite as strictly enforced as they do with alcohol. Making it forbidden fruit isn't going to encourage anyone to be responsible with it.

Originally Posted by mountain

let the crackheads out! i dont care.[/b]

Yeah, good idea - let all the crackheads out of prison. Then they can continue selling to impressionable young kids, committing crimes, and possibly driving under the influence. Great idea.

Anyway...
Get back on track please.

Originally Posted by Burns

Yeah, good idea - let all the crackheads out of prison. Then they can continue selling to impressionable young kids, committing crimes, and possibly driving under the influence. Great idea.

Anyway...
Get back on track please.
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exactly! yes, at least burns is with me. i like burns more and more all the time.

Pot is illegal because immagraints from mexio would bring it into america when there was little or no border regulations and pot was legal but they would not go back to mexio. All it has to do with is illegal immagrants[/b]

That is how it started out in the 30's

I can't believe this is being asked knowing you were high

for me pot started out like magic . it was so romantic, but i smoked way to much (about 2 years daily of sumper bomb dope) , anyways , now when i smoke the high just makes me feel like a digital wasteland . it totaly drained all my energy, and took alot of my motivation. my ego has been getting realy low /gone, smoking pot daily when your mind is in such a fragile state is not good. leagalizing it would probobly be doper. i feel so scared for these little kids, smoking herb. they will smoke what ever they can get their hands on. this one kid showed me his stash and it wasnt even green! it was this nast brown looking hay. moldy. also thes fuck-o dealers are putting backing soda on pot and calling it crystals.

Originally Posted by dropout14

That is how it started out in the 30's
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yes, illegal immigration had SOME part in the criminalization, but that's just one small part. You ignore the fact that at the time it became illegal, the biggest demographic for its use were the jazz music people, in other words, black people. So, it quickly became associated with black crime among other things, and by and by the scared whte people wanted it to be outlawed, there isn't one cause or genesis of the anti-cannabis movement.

Originally Posted by John

yes, illegal immigration had SOME part in the criminalization, but that's just one small part. You ignore the fact that at the time it became illegal, the biggest demographic for its use were the jazz music people, in other words, black people. So, it quickly became associated with black crime among other things, and by and by the scared whte people wanted it to be outlawed, there isn't one cause or genesis of the anti-cannabis movement.
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oh black people, with their mara ja wana and there baggy pants and their hip hop music and there ever increasing incarceration rates...
(im joking people take a deep breath before getting super offended.)