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      (Note: I don't recommend any of this, but it is interesting enough to talk about.)

      I got home this morning at about 7 a. m. I had a sober New Year's Eve because I am trying to space out my buzzes, and I got stoned Saturday night. But when I got home (from a house... I am trying to stay out of bars.), I was craving a buzz. So I searched my house for some little crumbs of weed that I or somebody else might have left somewhere, and after a while... JACKPOT! I got stoned off two hits of a small pile of kind bud traces. However, I was in that state where I know that just one more hit would really make a difference. I tried scraping my pipe, but it was bone dry from the last time I had that idea. There were no more weed traces anywhere. So I pulled out my salvia divinorum leaves so I could really have a full buzz. I usually do 10X extract, but I was out. I recently bought my first batch of salvia 1X leaves, and that is what I smoked. Airplane was on Comedy Central, which I thought was perfect for the occasion. Much to my surprise, it was the most outrageous and extreme salvia experience I have ever had. That is for two reasons I now know about. First, I was also stoned, and second, I was lying back with my eyes closed. In that situation, I went into the most profound hallucinogenic experience I have ever had without dreaming. Well, I guess I actually was dreaming, just not in a sleeping state. The experience was just like the DMT experience is described as being. I saw multidimensional space, like what is illustrated in many of M.C. Escher's works. All kinds of things were happening, and all kinds of bizarre beings were doing all kinds of wild things. It was unbelievable. There was a bit of paranoia involved, but the astonishment outweighed it. I had done salvia many times before and had really crazy hallucinations on it, but this experience takes the cake. Then I did another one and experienced the same thing. I have been in shock ever since. If I could have lucid dreams like that on a regular basis, which I think I can, I will never need psychedelic drugs again.

      Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      I here you Universal mind. It is amazing it is a legal substance.

      You just don't know one time from the next how it will effect you.


      My salvia experience


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      How much did you smoke?
      I tried 5x, and i barely felt a thing. It was like if i had taken a small amount of mushrooms, and it only lasted for a few minutes

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      could you pm me with your source universal.
      I tend to use 10x extract and I love it
      buit obviously leaves are cheaper and if your getting that kind of affect....
      well I could save some well needed oney
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      Yeah, I was shocked that 1X leaves could have that effect. They hadn't done that the first few times I used them. I think that being on pot really enhanced the experience. I also think that lying down with my eyes closed showed me its full potential.

      There are certain things that have to be done for salvia to really work. Very importantly, it has to be smoked out of a water bong (You will need a screen in the bowl.). Pipes don't do the trick. Also, you have to get the biggest hit you can get, not just some bit that qualifies as "a hit". It has to be a gigantic toke, and you need to clear the bong. Another part that really matters is that you have to hold the hit for about 20-30 seconds. It is not like pot or tobacco, where you can just get a quick hit and feel the effects. It absorbs into the lungs very slowly. If you do all of that, it should do the trick.

      But be careful if you do it. It is not a casual drug you do in the midst of having a conversation or driving a car. If you do it while driving a car, you will wreck. I don't even know how to walk or change the channel while I am on it. I can't even have a conversation on that stuff. Then it goes away after about five to then minutes, but it leaves me a tad bit loopy for hours.

      There are two places where I know to get good salvia divinorum. One is a head shop in Oxford, Mississippi, which is the town where the U.S. government has its marijuana field and its salvia divinorum field. The other is salviasupply.com.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      My boyfriend and I bought 40X a few months ago. We can really never find a good place and time to do it. I'm amazed that 10x could do something like that...... i have heard some insane stories.

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      There are certain things that have to be done for salvia to really work. Very importantly, it has to be smoked out of a water bong (You will need a screen in the bowl.). Pipes don't do the trick.

      Pipes will do the trick fine .
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      I think it was watching Airplane that did it.

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      Universal Mind, sounds like you had your "break through." (And yes, accounts of DMT experiences remind me greatly of my own Salvia experiences).

      My advice for all, for whatever it is worth:

      Be smart, be safe. Educate yourself. Check out:
      erowid.org for the information.
      iamshaman.com for the source.

      Salvia is not a drug. She is a guide. Approach her with respect, and with caution.

      Salvia should NEVER be used in order to "get high." Avoid any merchants who market it as "legal pot." These are the people who will ultimately end up getting the plant scheduled. They are liars and deceivers. Boycott their establishments, and tell them why. Irresponsible sale is as bad as irresponsible use, if not worse.

      Be smart, be safe. Have a sitter if you can. (Preferably one who has had positive dealings with Salvia). Salvia can show you extraordinary things, but she doesn't hold back any punches. Be prepared to have your Ego blown into bits. Be prepared to forget the concept of "I". (Or at least to have it redefined).

      If you wish to experience it in the more traditional, shamanic use, chew some fresh leaves as a quid. In fact, this is the recommended way to introduce yourself to Salvia.

      Once again.... be smart, be safe, and travel well.

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      Great story Universal Mind.

      Pengragon I completely agree about the suppliers. Suppliers who have no respect whatsoever for Salvia should get no support and the tragedy is that supporting them is what in the end gets the drug scheduled here in the USA.

      Personally I used salvia a few times but evidently not a strong enough extract. Just had these weird 'imprints' in my heads of a pattern, kinda like a snake, flattened out, all over the room. Lasted only minutes. Weird stuff.


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      always preferred mescaline myself or the funky skunky.. salvia just gives me headaches.

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      Salvia is quite the plant. I've tried 10x, 20x and 25x with little actual difference in the quality. The effects are confusing as sometimes the high is incredibile and I get full fledged hullcination, usually changing my current enviorment into some strange, alien realm. The feeling is so real on Salvia its insane. I always get a pulling or tugging sensation throughout my body, and a couple of times I felt Salvia had complete control over my body. Other times I've done Salvia, I have had very unpleasant body feeling such as strong pulling or twisting, heavy sweating, and prickly chills that in some ways reminds me of some kind of poisenous plant. My thoughts are distorted to the point that random, meaningless pictures will pop up into my head. I haven't tried Salvia for a while because of the unpleasant body high. I have insulfated Salvia snuff and found the effects very enjoyable, more similer to strong marijuana or a weak mushroom trip.
      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
      - Albert Einstein
      "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
      -Joseph Campbell
      "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Melange View Post
      Pipes will do the trick fine .
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      What do you mean by "fine"? Have you tried it the way I suggested? For me, there is no comparison. My very first salvia experience was kind of a disappointment because I had read about its effects but didn't quite get all the way there when I used a pipe. I had some amusing distortions of spatial arrangement and some strange almost-hallucinations (You know... Those mental impressions that are somewhere in the neutral territory between thought and hallucination.). I smoked a whole gram and saw nothing beyond that. I told people the next day that it was neat and interesting, but not that big of a deal. The next night, I smoked it out of a bong. That was a much better experience. Then I didn't feel like I had been jipped on any level by some marketing scam. It was kind of like the day before, but much more effective within those boundaries. I saw that the stuff was at least for real, so I ordered some more. I tried the next batch with a bong and with my hit held in for about 30 seconds, which my further readings suggested. That is when I went into another dimension and dropped my bong on a concrete floor because I thought the floor was a wall and my bong was supposed to float to it. I became my cousin's front yard in the 70's/80's and watched muppets manipulating the constructs of reality. So for me, there is a tremendous difference, and a lot of literature on the internet suggests using a bong. It might just depend on the user.

      Quote Originally Posted by Melange View Post
      I think it was watching Airplane that did it.
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      I really can see where that would make some difference.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Have you tried the extract Universal?
      Emerald essence.

      ------------------------------------------ Sagewisdom.com.

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      I smoked like 4 hits of 35x Salvia with a friend, didnt do anything to me :-/.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Howetzer View Post
      Have you tried the extract Universal?
      Emerald essence.

      ------------------------------------------ Sagewisdom.com.
      [/b]
      Oh yeah... I remember reading about that before I tried salvia. (I think.) Is that the liquid stuff that comes in a bottle? I decided a while back that I would only smoke salvia because so much of what I read hypes up that method way more than swallowing it. It tried the quid method with about 1/3 gram of 15X a while back. I didn't notice a thing that way, so I swallowed it. After about two hours, I noticed very little, so I gave up. I took some mushrooms and got fried on pot. An hour or so later, I was sitting on my hotel balcony and hearing voices from all over places where there were no people. My friends were asleep, and there was nobody by the pool. There was nobody in sight, although I was at a hotel in the New Orleans French Quarter. I had a storm of auditory hallucinations, and it was incredible. But I for a long time attributed the experience to the combination of pot and mushrooms. I have recently thought back and figured that the salvia might have had something to do with it, and maybe even most of what I experienced. I didn't consider that at the time because it would mean it took several hours to kick in, but I guess that does happen with some psychedelics.

      If, hypothetically, I ever do any drugs again, I will try that. I decided yesterday to take at least a six month break from drugs because I really need to, and I bet my brother $350 that I can pull it off. In that time, I want to get much more into transcendental meditation and lucid dreaming. Marijuana smashes my ability to do those effectively, and I have never been able to open the door to any drug without opening the door to pot. After the six month period, I will consider where I stand, and if I have found a way to do salvia and other psychedelics without turning into a stoned piece of furniture, I want to check out Emerald Essence. Thinking back on my New Orleans experience, that stuff might have major potential. Smoking salvia makes the experience last a few minutes, but swallowing it is supposed to be ligher but much longer lasting. It just might be a gold mine. Thanks for the idea.

      BenQ and Pendragon talked on the previous page about how salvia is not something to equate with general "high" drugs. The fascination I have expressed is very real, but I don't want people to get the idea that salvia divinorum is the type of drug you do while you kick back and enjoy some good T.V. or music. It is not a "feel good" drug. T.V. and music can affect the experience in really cool ways, but that does not mean it is the conventional tye of drug done while you do those things. You won't be able to follow a plot or fully understand the music you hear. You will just think that they are the echoes of the fabric of reality or something like that. They take on a whole new role. The experiences I have had after smoking the extract were some of the most interesting altered states I have ever experienced, but it's not a sit at the beach and chill out to the Doobie Brothers kind of deal. It is more of a come out of it and say, "What the fuck was that?!!!!!!!!! !!!" sort of thing. It has never given me a "high" or a "buzz". It just completely warps my way of understanging reality, in an artistic and mentally educational way. The real fun comes when you come out of it and remember where you just were. It is very different from alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, etc. I would bet my car that nobody ever gets addicted to it, and knowing just a few simple facts about what it does and how to use it removes the danger factor. That is worlds better than what we can say about alcohol and tobacco. If it is ever made illegal here, that will be completely absurd. There will be no logical basis for it at all. But we can all be at ease with our surety that the really safe vices of tobacco and alcohol will always be legal.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      I have what it consider few enlightening experiences. I am not so sure I would like a "break through" if it is like what you explained.
      Here is a little about the liquid. Possibly because of the purity it is better. Maybe not.
      SAGE GODDESS EMERALD ESSENCE is an extraordinary potion of enchantment. One of the finest Salvia divinorum preparations ever created, it engenders profound experiences that enrich and nurture mind and spirit. As a tool for exploring the psyche it can provide access to fresh, often startling, insights into the nature of consciousness, reality, perception, and the fundamental mysteries of existence.

      A Sage Wisdom Salvia Shop exclusive. This ultra-concentrated tincture of Salvia divinorum has been carefully prepared using a unique new separation process developed by Daniel Siebert. This innovative process selectively extracts and concentrates a group of natural leaf components that enhance the solubility and absorption of the active principal, salvinorin A. All intermediary extraction solvents have been completely removed so that the finished product contains nothing but premium grade Salvia divinorum, grain alcohol and water.

      This specially prepared extract is designed for sublingual absorption. The duration and quality of the experience is equivalent to that obtained using traditional Mazatec methods of oral ingestion, but it is far easier to consume and the level of effects achieved is more consistent and reliable. Many people consider this type of experience more productive and rewarding than that of smoked Salvia divinorum because the effects are gentler and considerably longer lasting.

      The first effects begin 4-8 minutes after the initial dose is ingested. The strength of the effects gradually increase over the next 4-5 minutes, reaching a plateau that lasts 20-30 minutes, then gradually tapering off over another 1½-2½ hours. By using multiple doses, the duration of both the plateau and the entire experience can be increased. If the effects begin to diminish sooner than you would like, you can use booster doses to extend the experience.

      Mild doses reduce extraneous mental activity and calm the mind; many people find that low doses are quite valuable as an aid to meditation and introspection. Mild doses also increase sensual awareness and can have aphrodisiac effects. A moderate dose produces a gentle expansion of consciousness that is useful for inner-journeying and self-exploration; this can also have an extraordinary memory enhancing effect that can provide access to incredibly detailed memories stretching back into early childhood (clearly this has therapeutic potential). Strong doses alter the fabric of consciousness profoundly, producing rich inner-visions and inspiring insight. Very strong doses can totally immerse one in a visionary world and can propel consciousness into the far reaches of transdimensional/transpersonal space.

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