Thread: Hemi Sync ®

To be honest, his books do sound far-fetched. Of course, that doesn't mean that he's lying, I mean that he might have been adding things to make his books more sellable. E.g. he PROVED that he could get out of body into the PHYSICAL world. Such a proof should have shaken the world. Monroe should have been grabbed by FBI for studies or something But nothing really happened, and noone has proved scientifically that we can do the same yet. It's considered just a belief. But why, if it was really, really proved? I have a real strong suspicion that his proof was a marketing trick...
And you never know where else marketing tricks were. But at least his books made lucid dreaming (astral projecting) popular

As for Gateway series, I listened to it. You can do the same without having to listen to it. I guess it works like self-hypnosis, if you believe that it will help you, it will help you It works for some and doesn't work for some. Besides, the usefullness of sound technology that is used in the series is doubted by many, because it's not that simplistic as the way it seems to be used in the series.

To me the most important thing is that Robert Monroe believes that he did everything that he said he did. I really don't care if any of this stuff is real or not. All I care is that it "appears" to be real. I believe that if you follow the monroe institutes methods, you have a good chance of reaching a point that you can do things that "appear" to be real. Will you really be able to read the newspaper in another room??? Personally, I don't care. I can read the newspaper while I am awake.

I would love to have some of the adventures that he writes about weather they are real or not. That is just me though.

Originally Posted by carlhungis

To me the most important thing is that Robert Monroe believes that he did everything that he said he did. I really don't care if any of this stuff is real or not.[/b]

Agreed. However, you can never know if the Gateway Experience and the seminars are worthy. Monroe is dead, and I fear that people who're in charge now can't be trusted. Surely they'd want to continue making money using his name.

Originally Posted by Follower

Agreed. However, you can never know if the Gateway Experience and the seminars are worthy. Monroe is dead, and I fear that people who're in charge now can't be trusted. Surely they'd want to continue making money using his name.
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Great point. There are ways to check out the Gateway Experience without ..... contributing.... to the people in charge now. Or so I have heard...

Originally Posted by carlhungis

There are ways to check out the Gateway Experience without ..... contributing.... to the people in charge now. Or so I have heard...[/b]

Indeed
I can't help but read your nick as CarlJungis all the time

Originally Posted by Follower

Indeed
I can't help but read your nick as CarlJungis all the time
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Carl Jungis, pioneer of Philosophy and Pornography..... LOL

his descriptions of so many things seemed to make a lot of sense. More sense than any other religion/belief system I've yet to encounter. Mostly because existing belief systems/religions leave out SO MANY DETAILS. His went into complicated detail.


I don't think that some government agency would even care about his research/adventures real or not, as they have no ways of profiting from it...

(such as the CIA using psychics during the cold war, to try and gain a military/intelligence EDGE over Russia)

I think it's pretty much a fact that people do go out of their body, as 25% of people (based on his survey, i know, i know) have recollections of at least one experience of looking at their own body from another vantage point.


I'm going to continue to search the net and some various spiritual shops/centers in the city where I live (Vancouver) until I get some more information from actual participants in his programs..

I'm not going to shell out hundreds of dollars until then, no matter how good it sounds..

The books that monroe wrote get systematically more "out there" Far Journeys is basically where it stops being coherent in any ways. In The Ultimate Journey he just talks about concepts more than experiences. If I remember correctly. I wasn't as interested in this book as the other two because it is so abstract and esoteric. And I am fairly esoteric myself, so this thing is really out there.

About Hemi-Sync

I have put a fair amount of time into hemi sync. I got it after reading the books. It sounds like you're in the same state of "wow" I was in. But if you're thinking like I was, let me make this clear: The Gateway Experience/hemi sync is not a ticket to OBEs or astral travel. It is more about developing your life in many ways and learning more about altered states. Although there is a portion of it devoted to OBE practice, is isn't as devoted to that as you would think.

It is however, an excellent program.

EDIT: "military/intelligence EDGE over Russia"

Haha, there's no way the US could have had an intelligence edge over Russia with psychics. Not because psychics aren't possible, but because Russia conducted a ridiculously large amount of research in that area. The soviets were very superstitious.

-Hatter

carlhungis,


Rhubes,
Have you already tried everything you could think of and found out that nothing works for you? I urge you to make sure you've tried absolutely everything possible before paying money for help!

The Mad Hatter,

The books that monroe wrote get systematically more "out there" Far Journeys is basically where it stops being coherent in any ways. In The Ultimate Journey he just talks about concepts more than experiences.[/b]

I think so, too I'm not into this kind of dubious stuff, and for me it makes his descriptions boring and ridiculous. He seems to have been associating with his own subconscious in different forms all the time, because there's no way things are as ridiculous in reality as he described them . But the first book was ok.

Haha, there's no way the US could have had an intelligence edge over Russia with psychics. Not because psychics aren't possible, but because Russia conducted a ridiculously large amount of research in that area. The soviets were very superstitious.[/b]

Didn't their scientific research fail to prove that psychics exists? I can't remember where I heard about it, though, and when that particular research was conducted.

it's cause he only has rote learning, and NVC!

it doesn't translate well into our texted MONKEY CHITTER!


His theories on the systems of rings, where curls (energies/souls) inhabit seemed pretty realistic (like one area for people who dont' know they're dead or who are clinging to something on earth, another for those who are in their "own version" of heaven, etc...)..

like his description of ghosts when he was floating above New York with his friend BB. He noted that there several ghosts just trying to act like normal people; trying to get a hooker, another one trying to stab people, another old lady trying to get directions..

You can't judge this based on how much sense it makes though. A fiction writer could write something just as profound. The only way to really confirm this kind of thing is by personal experience.

As Monroe says: Until you experience it for yourself, all you have is belief. (Paraphrase)

-Hatter

I find the Monroe Institute products to be quite effective. My girlfriend bought me the Gateway experience for my birthday last year. I've only advanced through the first set of 3 discs, and the results have been quite interesting and suprising.

The first two tracks introduce Focus 3 and Focus 10, which are the starting points to these altered states. I believe the gateway experience can be quite effective if the user has some experience in meditation. Since i've introduced it to friends who don't meditate, they usually fall asleep or simply cannot maintain the degree of visualization the program requires.

However since beginning the program, my meditations are usually deeper, my dreams more vivid, and the overall experience of attempting exit has gotten easier (I still havent yet thou, b/c i don't get a chance to practice everyday). I agree with the statement the Hemi Sync isn't a ticket to the astral rhelm but i believe it definetly can get you a lot closer there in half the time. and also, individuals such as Robert Petersen (His book Lessons out of the Body) claim the Focus Experiences are slightly different than full blown OBE's but can be equally astonishing and objective to constant reality.

My recommendation is to definetly check out Hemi-Sync, if you can find them cheaply on Ebay, thats your best bet at not paying the full (and quite expensive) price for the program

^^Did you do the "resonant tuning" vocal exercises? I've *borrowed* CD1 but I'm put off actually vocalising because I'm self conscious of what my family would say if they knew what I was up to
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Originally Posted by Areyoudreaming

^^Did you do the "resonant tuning" vocal exercises? I've *borrowed* CD1 but I'm put off actually vocalising because I'm self conscious of what my family would say if they knew what I was up to
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I know exactly how you feel. I was self conscious to vocalise it too in front of my girlfriend. Once I had a chance to be alone, I gave it a go and it was totally worth it. I was tuning as loud as I could and I could feel a definite change in my state. Now when my GF is around I tune under my breath. Although not as effective as full blown tuning, the breathing pattern allows me to return to the state without much effort. I strongly suggest giving it a try.

BTW gateway is available as a t*rrent.

The tehnology is called "brainwaves entertaining". Wikipedia has enough information about this. It's a tehnology that helps you reach specific brain states.
Like those beta states, when you are fulyl awake anda ctive.
The alpha state is a relaxed state, but you are still aware of everything about you. This is the best state ofr studying.
The theta state si associated with dreaming, relaxation, light meditation.
You reach the delta state when you are sleeping, or you are deep meditating.
Using brainwaves entertaining (the most known technique are the binaural beats) you can "force" the brain to reach any of these states.
Oriental monks can do this naturally, but it usually takes them a life to master the brain. Brainwaves entertainment can infinetly reduce that time.. but i'm not sur eyou get the same benefits.
I've tried many brianwaves entertaining products.. from hemisyn, brainsync, mindsync, etc.
They are effective, but not that effective as you might think.
At this moment i use brianwaves enetrtaining to reach that "super-learning" alpha state (and it is effective indeed, but not suprisingly effective, however).
I also use the Holosync progam ( http://www.centerpointe.com/ ); i use it daily to meditate for an hour. I'm on week 4 of using this program, and it's interesting and truly helps you reach a deep state of meditation.
Anyway.. I've tried the first track of the first cd of Gateway Experience some time ago. It was effective, i reached a deep state of meditation. But this whole "spiritual" thing monroe institue attribue it to these products leave me skeptical.
But i once met a guy, a trusted source, however, that assured me he had an OBE just by listening to the Gate way epxerience. I don't know what's the official purpose of the gateway experience, but that guy told me that he thinks it is meant to make you experience OBE. it just takes you there, step by step. He told me it was a really scarry epxerience, that made him wake up instantly: seeing himself lying on the bed, just in front of his eyes, caused him such a shock, that he woke up instantly.
But i doubt.. OBEs are just a particular type of Lucid Dreams. This is my oppinion. And maybe by meditating, you manage at some point to force your brain go into the REM state. It's like a WILD.. but with another approach.
One more think i would like to comment about. Hemisync and holosync claim they use a spcific tehnology, Audiofonx (or Autofonix) to embbed subliminal messages/commands into their tracks, intended for slef improvement. Now.. i am 99.9% sure this is bullshit. I've searched for the tehnologyitself on the interent, but couldnt find anything specific about it. Only the effects. Now.. the rason that i doubt this tehnology exists, is that i am really skeptical about those subliminal messages. Subliminal means that you hear the messages, but you are not awre that you hear them. It's like.. breathing. You are not aware you can do it, it's a subconscious process. Yet, now that i've mentioned it, i'm sure you've became aware it's happening, so you can fully control it. This shoudl apply to the "subconscious process of hearing the Audiofonix subliminal messages'. If you are aware of this, you can set the intent of hearing them, and so become aware they are there. yet, you cannot do that. No matter how much attention you pay to the track, you cannot hear the subliminal messages. I hope i made myself clear about those subliminal messages they embbed in the tracks; it's 100% autosuggestions..
I hope this info was useful for you guys, as it took me 10 minutes to write this post.
For further informations, use wikipedia. it's the only source you can use for getting accurate informations about anything.

Be cool !!
~Vox.

I appreciate your addition.


I've had many OBEs, but like others I have trouble conciously getting into that DEEPLY relaxed state neccessary for exit.

It's much easier if I do it in the morning after waking up early, then going back to sleep. But I find that often my subconcious jumps in at that point cause I'm so tired it turns into a half dream..

(I believe that OBEs can happen with or without your subconcious adding dream effects to your surroundings)...

So if hemisync or any of those things help me get to the super relaxed but conciously awake state, I'll definitely give it a try.

Originally Posted by GODLIGHT

I know exactly how you feel. I was self conscious to vocalise it too in front of my girlfriend. Once I had a chance to be alone, I gave it a go and it was totally worth it. I was tuning as loud as I could and I could feel a definite change in my state. Now when my GF is around I tune under my breath. Although not as effective as full blown tuning, the breathing pattern allows me to return to the state without much effort. I strongly suggest giving it a try.

BTW gateway is available as a t*rrent.
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OK, when I get a chance I will try to do it then, thanks!
And when I say borrowed... I may have meant torrented. Or maybe not, obviously. Sssh.