Thread: Nervous about OBEs

As I feel lazy, I'll just redirect you to my answer in this WILD/OBE thread .

My personnal opinion is that OBEs are just WILDs which happen to have the imagery of your bedroom, so are no more dangerous than any lucid dream.
But since we are in the Beyond Dreaming forum, I'll now shut up and let speak people who think that OBEs are real

Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype

As I feel lazy, I'll just redirect you to my answer in this WILD/OBE thread .

My personnal opinion is that OBEs are just WILDs which happen to have the imagery of your bedroom, so are no more dangerous than any lucid dream.
But since we are in the Beyond Dreaming forum, I'll now shut up and let speak people who think that OBEs are real [/b]

Thanks for the link - very interesting. You may well be right, and at the very least I think all of our experiences are blurred at the edges, kind of overlapping each other. The experience I described in my original post was totally different though than the lucid dreams I've had, but my experience is pretty limited so far. I think of it as OBE because I was still partly 'attached' (my legs) and my thoughts seemed to be located in my dream-body. I wish I'd turned around to take a look at myself! Whereas in the lucid dreams I haven't felt that way - I've been aware of the dream and had some control over it, but my thoughts have very much been in my head, the one on my pillow. LOL. It's hard to explain. Maybe it's to do with degrees of lucidity???

Whitby Jet

Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype

As I feel lazy, I'll just redirect you to my answer in this WILD/OBE thread .

My personnal opinion is that OBEs are just WILDs which happen to have the imagery of your bedroom, so are no more dangerous than any lucid dream.
But since we are in the Beyond Dreaming forum, I'll now shut up and let speak people who think that OBEs are real [/b]

OBE's are real, how else can you explain people going on roof tops they have never seen before, and getting everything right up there without seeing it before in their bodys? like whatever is on the roof they see, and people confirm it. Or conversations far away and it being confirmed, etc. Isn't a WILD just like an LD? LD's aren't real as they are dreams you can make real in your head, just as WILDS if i'm seeing this right.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

OBE's are real, how else can you explain people going on roof tops they have never seen before, and getting everything right up there without seeing it before in their bodys? like whatever is on the roof they see, and people confirm it. Or conversations far away and it being confirmed, etc. Isn't a WILD just like an LD? LD's aren't real as they are dreams you can make real in your head, just as WILDS if i'm seeing this right.[/b]

Psychic perception?

Originally Posted by whitby_jet

Whereas in the lucid dreams I haven't felt that way - I've been aware of the dream and had some control over it, but my thoughts have very much been in my head, the one on my pillow. LOL. It's hard to explain. Maybe it's to do with degrees of lucidity???[/b]

I know what you mean, my LDs to date have all been where my thoughts are sortof in my sleeping head but im controlling my same body in the dream. But, reading the other posts on here about LDs in general, your 'OBE' to me couldn't have been anything other than a more vivid, more lucid, dream, as LDs seem to be incredibly lifelike and the person dreaming experiences it as if they were awake.

In fact, if you were LDing about reading this, it would feel exactly as you are feeling now. At least that's how I understand the posts and the LD bible.

Your 'OBE' must have been an LD because there was a TV in the room that isn't normally there. Surely in an OBE everything would be exactly as it was when you went to sleep?

Originally Posted by 13redfan

I know what you mean, my LDs to date have all been where my thoughts are sortof in my sleeping head but im controlling my same body in the dream. But, reading the other posts on here about LDs in general, your 'OBE' to me couldn't have been anything other than a more vivid, more lucid, dream, as LDs seem to be incredibly lifelike and the person dreaming experiences it as if they were awake.

In fact, if you were LDing about reading this, it would feel exactly as you are feeling now. At least that's how I understand the posts and the LD bible.

Your 'OBE' must have been an LD because there was a TV in the room that isn't normally there. Surely in an OBE everything would be exactly as it was when you went to sleep?[/b]

I've read accounts of apparent OBEs and astral travels where the surroundings are almost 'normal' but not quite. Like the TV is where it shouldn't be or there's a door where there isn't one. Are true OBEs actually true to life then?

I believe my experiences were different to one another - in the ones I call LD I am aware it is a dream. But in the one where I sat up, I was totally unaware it was a dream, at least until I realised that things looked a bit 'off'. I totally thought it was for real & that I was actually sat up. Maybe that's because it happened so suddenly? I wasn't already dreaming (that I remember). And I don't think I've ever dreamt about my bedroom before (or after). Whatever it is, it's very odd!!!

Whitby Jet

Originally Posted by whitby_jet

I've read accounts of apparent OBEs and astral travels where the surroundings are almost 'normal' but not quite. Like the TV is where it shouldn't be or there's a door where there isn't one. Are true OBEs actually true to life then?[/b]

Well I'm not sure exactly, I don't have first hand experience and I haven't read up too much on the subject. It is an Out of Body Experience though, where your spirit or soul or whatever leaves your body, and you travel out of your body. To me it wouldn't make sense that when you leave your body suddenly the door isn't there anymore, you know?

Surely if you leave your physical body, everything is exactly the same because you're in the same place, just not in your body? I reckon those accounts are really just accounts of lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by whitby_jet

I believe my experiences were different to one another - in the ones I call LD I am aware it is a dream. But in the one where I sat up, I was totally unaware it was a dream, at least until I realised that things looked a bit 'off'. I totally thought it was for real & that I was actually sat up. Maybe that's because it happened so suddenly? I wasn't already dreaming (that I remember). And I don't think I've ever dreamt about my bedroom before (or after). Whatever it is, it's very odd!!!

Whitby Jet [/b]

I see where you're coming from, although if you think of a false awakening, the dreamer doesn't know that he is still dreaming, he thinks he's awake. So in the same way, you could have been "unaware" that you were dreaming, but still dreaming?

I'd be far more likely to think it's a LD, Whitby Jet!

Originally Posted by Universal

Psychic perception? [/b]

Doubt it, psychic are not 100% right about everything. Also, psychic are images, not floating to places and seeing things.

If an OBE is the spirit/soul leaving the body, then how would it see around itself? I mean, it presumably has no eyes....so how does it see? Maybe, it just makes sense of things as best it can, hence the mistakes (doors where they shouldn't be etc)

It's just an idea, lol. I can see why the errors during an OBE point to it being a lucid dream

Whitby Jet

What you experienced was indeed an OBE. I had something similar to this happen to me once when I had just woken up in the middle of the night. I tried to get out of bed, and rolled out of bed onto the floor. My sight was very weird, and when I looked up at my bed, there I was. Very odd experience indeed. Just like with your experience, my bed was in the wrong part of the room, and there was an extra door where there shouldn't have been.

An OBE is not the spirit or soul leaving the body. The soul cannot leave the body until death (at least as far as I know). An OBE is one of the energy bodies leaving the physical bodies. In most cases, the Astral body.

In most spontaneous OBE's like the one you described, it is the astral body exiting to the astral plane. The astral plane is much like being in a lucid dream, as it is a thought-based environment. APs and OBE's to the astral plane can be often confused with lucid dreams. The reason your TV was out of place, is because reality is mixed with your thoughts in this plane. If everything appeared in place, it would have meant that you OBEd to a plane most commonly referred to as the real-time zone, or the RTZ. real-time OBEs are rare to experience even when you try to OBE on purpose, so naturally things would be out of place.

People often confuse OBE's as lucid dreams, because lucid dreaming itself is an internalized form of the astral plane. I suppose I could ramble on all day about this, but I won't waste everyone's time with it all If you want to learn more, I suggest you check out some writtings of Robert Bruce. You could also check out the Astral Dynamics forums. Hope this helped you!

Thankyou Rainman, I really appreciate you sharing your views and your experience too (which sounds a lot like my own experience). Something I remembered while reading your post is that while this was happening to me I had consciously opened my eyes to 'see' the TV, yet my physical eyes remained shut. I don't know how I know this, but I just do....it's like I was in two bodies at once. Very odd!

I probably need to read more about energy bodies in order to make my mind up about this. I do believe that our bodies are capable of tapping into and utilizing energy that is (as yet) undefined, as in Reiki for example, so the idea of an astral body is a concept I'm pretty open to.

I'll explore the link you included - thanks again!

Whitby Jet

Hey no problem at all I'm really glad my post was helpful to you! What you were experiencing may have been bilocation, which is a varient of an occurance called the "mind-split effect". Basically that means, you are aware and conscious in your physical body, but you phase in and out between that and one of your energy bodies, in this case, the etheric body (bilocation). You also may have been able to be aware at both of the same time (mind-split effect) It's a form of OBE. Sounds like you had it to a very extreme degree which could be considered astral projection, but that would be one of the things they could explain better at the AD forums.

One thing I forgot to mention is to let go of all fear of this!! I was a little bit nervous about the idea of doing it consciously also for a time. But fear inhibits your ability to do it successfully. Make peace with your fears and you will experience a very great phenomenon. I'm a complete noob when it comes to LD and I have a lonnnnng way to go with it, but I'm quite experienced with OBE information. the link i posted is a good community. They'll be glad to answer your questions. Good luck!!

Totally unrelated to the topic, but your name jolted me - do you live in whitby at all? I'd guess your name is inspired by Whitby in the UK with the jet reference but it would be interesting if there was someone else interested in this stuff living a few miles away (im in Robin Hood's Bay)

Jim

Hi Jim

Sorry, I only just saw your message. No, I'm not in Whitby (sorry again!), I'm in the NW. But when I was thinking of a username I had a piece of Whitby Jet (gemstone) sitting on my desk and....voila!!!

hehe no probs was hoping you might be a local i could meet ^^

Ah well never mind hehe