Thread: The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

Why don't we just have an OOBE official sticky so people stop making these kinds of threads?

They are real to an extent IMO. Of course there will be skeptics but we just aren't there yet to say Yes, they are real. No proof has been given of them that we can do and if there was people are too dumb to believe things and find some type of other way to make their own needs better for their own sanity, or whatever they refuse to believe. I dunno really if they are true, i have read ALOT of stuff but you can't take every story as a "true" thing, people have like disorders that can do these things i'm sure, or peoples minds trick them (the mind is a powerfull thing), people just make stuff up to feel special or to help prove this stuff is true so they use whatever they can, fake and all. I wont rely all on science, i'm also a believer of these types of things and think there is more then just neurons in the brain. I prefer to be 2 sided, it makes more sence.

Thank you LucidFlanders,

I believe in them, because I had one before. I just wanted to make sure we are on the same side. I talk about this topic on some other sites, and they let me have it down one side and up the other, it can wear you out sometimes.

Thank you,
Tim

I think they are very real in terms of mental experience, but I think they are waking induced lucid dreams (WILD's) that are accessed through techniques that do not require reaching the R.E.M. state. If there is more to it than that, I want to know all about it. It's a very interesting subject.

Hi Tim Brewer..

I aver that OBEs are "real" in the sense that they can happen to the individual. I should know. I've had several hundred to date over 32 years of LDing.

But that's the thing with sceptics.. they won't believe until it happens to them. I do believe that they are a natural part of the whole LD process... another type of LD that takes place in the "normal everyday reality" rather than in the dreamworld.

All the best.

I too believe that they're real as I've experienced them and I agree wholehearted with Oneiros' post.
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To whom it may concern,

Do you believe your thoughts leave your body during this OBE's time?


Thank you,
Tim

Hello,

My name is Tim Brewer, I am an introvert, I would rather be playing pool right now, instead of posting this topic, but I can't because of these thoughts that I had, that told me that they want to communicate, and I took it to be out of body afterlife people, speaking to me through my thoughts. I once had an OBE, and I believe the experience to be real.

I have been posting on other sites, trying to get better at exp laing my topic, but it is always a work in progress. People on some of these other sites, can really get mean.

I guess what I am saying is, can we work together under this topic, and finally come up with a plan to make it possible to communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured.

Please feel free to reply.

Thank you,
Tim

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Hello,

My name is Tim Brewer, I am an introvert, I would rather be playing pool right now, instead of posting this topic, but I can't because of these thoughts that I had, that told me that they want to communicate, and I took it to be out of body afterlife people, speaking to me through my thoughts. I once had an OBE, and I believe the experience to be real.

I have been posting on other sites, trying to get better at exp laing my topic, but it is always a work in progress. People on some of these other sites, can really get mean.

I guess what I am saying is, can we work together under this topic, and finally come up with a plan to make it possible to communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured.

Please feel free to reply.

Thank you,
Tim

I believe that you communicated with nothing other than your own thoughts. Like I said, I think the "OBE" experience is a lucid dream. Because I hope the best for you and I am getting the vibe that your situation is freaking you out, I strongly believe you should talk to a psychiatrist about what you have been experiencing. That is not meant as an insult at all. I have spent hours of my life in a psychiatrist's office, and it is a good thing I did. There is a significant chance that your brain chemistry can be better balanced. Your situation could be very serious. Good luck to you.

Ive had some really strange experiences in regards to this, one of which I found myself floating off my bed and through the wall into the neighbours house. My instinct tells me it was a WILD, some of the noises i heard link in with experiences in sleep paralysis. To be honest i dont know, Id like to think they're real but id need more experiences with it .

Thank you Universal Mind, and RooJ for your input.

In 2005 I had these thoughts that told me that they wanted to communicate with humans , I took it to be out of body afterlife people, and I really based that on my past OBE, and the fact that if it was possible, this would be the area that could be measured.

One of the biggest thing I took away from my OBE, was the fact that I was having regular thoughts, just like I did while I was alive.

Also in 2005 a company called Cyberkinetics, came out with this machine called BrainGate. This machine makes it possible for humans to operate different machines and computers with their thoughts only.

Please fill free to check out BrainGate on the Internet.

If you want to know more about me, just look up the name of my topic on the Internet. I have been going to different sites, trying to get better at explaining my theory, on how we can communicate with future OBE afterlife people, if there is such a thing.

Here is a quick break down of my theory.

If out of body people are really leaving their body while having this experience, and they are still having regular thoughts, and now we have a machine that can communicate with thoughts, then we need to explore this more, because if scientist are correct, that energy can not be made, destroyed, it can only change form, then it might be possible that OBE's that humans have, are just clues to what afterlife are experiencing everyday. I guess the best example I can give of that would be a wet dream. It came unexpectedly, nobody talks about it, but later in life it played such an important role.

I believe if one of the patients using the BrainGate machine right now, would volunteer to help do research in this possibility, then in the event that they died of natural causes, we would ask them to try and float over to a modified sensor that would be connected to a BrainGate machine, that would be on 24/7, waiting for that patients help in making the opportunity a possibility.
This patient will be able to have e-mail, just like they are doing now, they will be able to enter in their own password, and ever thing can be measured on the BrainGate computer. I would think this would make Robert happy, because this is the type of research to once and for all prove that there is life after death. And, to prove that out of body experiences are real.

I enjoy analyzing this topic in a healthy positive manner, and I believe my thoughts are very good at taking me out of pain and into pleasure, so thanks for your concerns, but I am in this for the long haul.

Thank you,
Tim

I have had one OBE before and I can guarantee that it was not a WILD or any other type of lucid dream. I have 2-5 lucid dreams a month since I was 10, so I know that the OBE I had was not a lucid dream. I projected into the real-time space that is a duplicate of the real world. Unlike in a lucid dream, you can look at text, look away, and look at the text again and it doesn;t change. In dreams, including lucind dreams, the text keeps changing and you often see jibberish or mispelled words. I suggest using this test to distinguish between a dream and an OBE. Some people also report that when they are in an OBE and they think about their body they get sucked right into it. Good luck.
-DM

Interesting theory, but from what ive read the braingate device is a neural interface system, it detects the activity of neurons in the brain. It works on the principle that even the act of 'thinking' about movement triggers neural activity, and once you map the neural activity for specific thoughts or directions you can then output that onto something like a computer.
So if i think about left movement different neurons will fire compared to if i think about right movement, they can then make a map and detect these neurons fire in order to make a mouse move etc.
The raw thoughts being detected are in the form of electricity in the brain, so without a brain it wouldn't be possible to use the machine.

Originally Posted by RooJ

Ive had some really strange experiences in regards to this, one of which I found myself floating off my bed and through the wall into the neighbours house. My instinct tells me it was a WILD, some of the noises i heard link in with experiences in sleep paralysis. To be honest i dont know, Id like to think they're real but id need more experiences with it .

Did you catch your neighbours in bed spanking it?:p

Good thought and research Rooj,

but I believe that problem can be over come with a little creative imagination when we get to that point. I for one would be tickeled pink if we could just get to that point.

Thank you,
Tim

Taking you for that input Dream-Master,

They say that 10% of people will have an OBE in their life time, so life in this might only get better when the Oprah's and the Bill Gates have their's, so we can speed up this possibility with the right type of support behind us.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and I for one am learning to be more patient, as Murphy's Law will surely play a part in the out come some time in the future.

Thank you,
Tim

Did you catch your neighbours in bed spanking it?

Thankfully not, trust me when i say they're not the type of couple you'd want to see in the bedroom .... Their 25 year old daughter on the other hand...

To whom it may concern,
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Thank you,
Tim

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Thank you,
Tim

I believe in out of body experiences. I've had two to date. The first was a direct projection out of a lucid dream, and I was paralized at the foot of my bed for about a minute. The second experience was much more interesting. I unconciously projected out of my body this, during a projection attempt. I don't remember the exit nor do I remember how I ended up in my basement, but I do remember I had no idea I was in an OBE. I was operating like I was in the waking state, much like a non-lucid dream. I also remember the feel of it was much more real, and absolutely everything was where it should have been. It was dark this time (same as my first obe), and the vision was 100% identical. I remember walking through my house, and for some reason I started getting very strange vibrations. I must have thought I was on a drug or something because I remember thinking "Jesus! I'm really fucked up!" or something like that. Note I had no idea I was in an OBE. I moved forward more and the vibrations got more and more intense, until I reached the wall, and I became completely paralized and vibrations where shooting through my body like an electrical current. I slowely began to lift up and turn to the laying position (on my back). I passed through the ceiling and entered my body. Imediately I woke up, and imediately I knew something had happened, but I was to exausted to think and I went to sleep. The next morning I remembered everything perfectly (except for the exit), and I knew it was an OBE. I also figured out that the area of the basement where I became paralized was DIRECTLY underneath the bed where I was laying. I also realized I started to experience the vibrations when I got in the 20ft proximity of my body. I had experienced the pull of the silver cord. I had no idea I was out of body, so there's no way my mind created this effect. I also had no idea my body was over me (of course). To me this proved OBEs and astral projection in general. If your really interested in this stuff I suggest the author Robert Bruce. He is excellent. Read Astral Dynamics.

Dear wer,

Since you had that type of experience, do you think it is possible to communicate with future out of body people?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All

Thank you,
Tim

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

Dear wer,

Since you had that type of experience, do you think it is possible to communicate with future out of body people?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All

Thank you,
Tim

Tim, I'm not quite sure. I believe that through some way the out of body realms are held together by time. This is a big mystery to many different OBE researchers. I've never heard of people comunicating with projectors from the future. I don't think the leading experts in OBEs would agree it possible.

The big question is how projectors in the astral realms can experience a sequence of events without time, and how entire enviorments can exist without spatial dimentions. The answer to your question souly depends on how time works in the astral realms. I believe that the energy in these out of body enviorments might actually exist in the physical dimention. Read this, its a excerpt from an article written by Susan Blackmore, talking about Robert Monoe's (a leading expert in OBEs) observations of his "second body":

Monroe gives a detailed description of the "second body". It has weight, is visible under certain conditions, produces a sensation of touch just like the physical touch, and yet it is very plastic and may adopt any form required of it. Possibly, suggests Monroe, the second body is a reversal of the physical. He even relates this to his ideas that it may consist of antimatter, although what he means is obscure. As for a cord, he tried feeling it on some of his excursions, but it was not an important part of his experience. Finally he suggests that the second body is related in some important way to electricity and magnetism. In experiments in a Faraday cage he found that he could not pass through the walls when a current was passed through them, but when it was turned off he could (though sufficient details are not given to assess the explanation fairly). He suggests a "third force" to add to electricity and magnetism which is used by the second body and fundamental to thought. What can we make of Monroe's descriptions? As always it is hard to disentangle what he has discovered about locations others might visit, from the product of his own bias or preoccupations. Some of his descriptions sound familiar, but many seem only odd.

I believe that the "second body" Monroe refers too is either his actual Ethereal Body (unlikely, as the Ethereal Body isn't supposed to leave your physical body until you die), or his Real-Time Double, which makes more sense. So, what if the energy substance that makes up the out of body enviorment is detectible on a physical level? Then that must mean time and space DO take on meaning during an OBE. But then why doesn't time and space have much meaning in the OBE enviorment other then holding it together? I've thought a possible explanation to be that the energy that makes up the OBE phenomena could be vibrating at the speed of light. Naturally, this would make time slow down, explaining why time doesn't really pass when your out of body. I could easily see this being the case in the Real Time Zone, but its a little harder to imagine with the astral planes. The RTZ is an energetic copy of the physical dimention, so if its energy existed on the physical dimention, its easy to assume that this energy is on or in the actual physical space and objects. But with the astral realms, you can only distantly wonder where it is on this dimention (or if it even is), and its origin.

Of course, this is only a theory. Time could be something completely different all together. Time may not pass, time could just be this one eternal moment. If that were the case, then it very well may be possible that you could comunicate with future projectors.

Well, good luck to you and I hope this helped - Mike

Thank you Mike, you give me lots to think about. I enjoy reading your insight on the topic.

Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,

Thank you for all your input so far on this topic, and I hope to talk to you more about it when I get back from a vacation.

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After a preacher died and went to heaven, he noticed that a New York cab driver had been awarded a higher place than he.

"I don't understand," he complained to God. "I devoted my entire life to my congregation."

"Our policy here in heaven is to reward results," God explained. "Now, was your congregation well attuned to you whenever you gave a sermon?"

"Well," the minister had to admit, "some in the congregation fell asleep from time to time."

"Exactly," said God, "and when people rode in this man's taxi, they not only stayed wake, they even prayed."

Thank you,
Tim

Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

To whom it may concern,

Thank you for all your input so far on this topic, and I hope to talk to you more about it when I get back from a vacation.

http://www.near-death.com/jokes.html

After a preacher died and went to heaven, he noticed that a New York cab driver had been awarded a higher place than he.

"I don't understand," he complained to God. "I devoted my entire life to my congregation."

"Our policy here in heaven is to reward results," God explained. "Now, was your congregation well attuned to you whenever you gave a sermon?"

"Well," the minister had to admit, "some in the congregation fell asleep from time to time."

"Exactly," said God, "and when people rode in this man's taxi, they not only stayed wake, they even prayed."

Thank you,
Tim

Sounds about right when in a Taxi, they are bad drivers.