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      Way to figure out if OBE is real

      Last night, I had an OBE! See, the way I figure it, if it is an OBE, You wouldn't be able to summon objects, your hands wouldn't look weird, etc. Last night, first I tried to summon something, because I am usually good at it, but it wouldn't work. Then I looked at my hands, they looked the same as they normally do. I am not ENTIRELY sure, but I am pretty sure this was an OBE. Post any comments, experiences, or suggestions. Also, if you have an OBE, do a body-related RC.
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      It's a good start, but if you convince yourself you are having an obe, then you won't be able to summon objects. What you want to do to check is to have another person place an object in an agreed upon location. Then when you OBE go look in that place and see if you can see the object. Then go check in real life.

      Tell me how that works out.
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      Did you induce the OBE, or you just had it sponatanously.

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      I've never projected but I've read Robert Monroe's stuff and he says that sometimes your astral body is vibrating higher than physical reality and you may not be able to see physical objects...or even your body lying in bed. Just a thought

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      now i've had many OBEs and have never been able to summon an object. are you sure thats possible? most of the time i was either another object, another person, or literally looking at myself from above. another time I was in complete blackness, it was strange, others were far more different and no words can describe them.

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      The experiences i had with my OBE's is when i try to get into an OBE, i have my eyes closed (of course). But when i go into an OBE, i see everything around me like i had my eyes open, even though of course i couldnt with my eyes closed. Thats the only way i can tell if i am having one. Another reason i seem to find to be true when i OBE is when i go into an OBE i feel lots of pressure, and when i move i see that my feet or hands dont actually move. But still, i can feel them moving. Its difficult, but there are ways to make sure you know you arent full of bull.

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      Do you still controll your body with obe? say like you see things and you're in OBE then you open your eyes and back in the real world?

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      ... or it could be only a LD with no control on the surroundings and good on your body.
      it is not that rare....
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      Quote Originally Posted by italianmonkey View Post
      ... or it could be only a LD with no control on the surroundings and good on your body.
      it is not that rare....
      It can be anything, who knows? nobody.

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      Quote Originally Posted by italianmonkey View Post
      ... or it could be only a LD with no control on the surroundings and good on your body.
      it is not that rare....
      Honestly that is probably the case for alot of people who think they go into OBE. Im pretty certain OBE is real, but im not gonna fight over it cuz its a never win situation and italian monkey i think you to be pretty kool so i dont want to get into it.

      Anyway though, to lucidflanders, ive only been OBE 3 times, and when i was in it each time i could see everything just as if i was awake. But i could control my body to the extent of moving my arms and legs around. Like i could move my legs but it was very hard to do (since my body was sick in the real time and it made my energy body weak), but anyway ive heard of people going into the AP planes and for example i will state a thing i read i think off the psi pong website:

      If you end up going to the Astral Planes, you may notice that things dont look quite right. For example you can look up and see the door, and then look up again and see 3 doors similar to it. If you go through the normal door, then its ok, but if you go through a different door, you get pulled into the dream world.

      Again that was just something i read a while back, but basicly when your Astral your body is obvoiusly still connected to you, and the intention to bring yourself back to your body does just that. But from that thing that i read once you go OBE, from what i got of it, your brain can slip into a dream just as easy as if you where WILD'ng. This also points back to italian monkeys theory about actually lucid dreaming and not realizing it, since you can go into other places with ease.

      Idk if that helps out, but i thought it to be kinda interesting.

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      I've had one freakishly realistic one that I really hope to one day re-produce. It was my first full blown induced OBE and I believe it was so realistic because I was trying so hard to have one.

      When it happened separating was one of the weirdest things I have ever felt in my life. It felt like I was trying to cling back onto my body - like I was tearing out of myself. It wasn't painful, but was definitely shocking. While I was out, I was in a state of hyper awareness. It was almost like I was given an extremely sharp sixth sense. This feeling was a familiar feeling - and it was a feeling I was terrified of (this goes back to SPs I used to have when I was younger, and I guess I had spontaneous OBEs and would freak out - I always dismissed them as bad nightmares). But this time I knew exactly what was going on. I was laying on my floor in the middle of the room, and it was extremely hard to move. My vision was pretty blurry as well. I couldn't see the ends of my room before things blurred. I was sitting in the middle of room terrified of what "astral wildlife" could have been like. I struggled to get myself upright, but I was in a squatted position. My "walking" was erratic and I only managed to go in circles. Then I panicked, not very sure why, but I overcome with this fear. I had already been "out" for a good 30 seconds, and I began to panic. I thought about waking up, and I floated close to my bed (I guess moving became easy when I didn't think hard about it). I just sat there waiting, and another 5-10 seconds went by and this frightened me even more because anytime I had bad dreams I could just almost instantaneously get myself out them when I realized what was going on. Finally everything just sort of went black and I felt myself struggling in SP and I got out of it.

      How I wish I did not end that experience so soon. The rest of the experiences I have had, some were kind of realistic - they were actually more dreamlike, but nothing compared to that first one.

      I honestly don't care if it was real or not - it was an amazing experience. It was like hyper reality or something - I can't really describe what I was feeling the entire time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by italianmonkey View Post
      ... or it could be only a LD with no control on the surroundings and good on your body.
      it is not that rare....
      Well, it is for me. I have NEVER had a lucid where I could not put my finger through my hand. I am SO sure this was for reals. I went through my house and nothing happened (which has never happened in a lucid). I even closed my eyes to see If I could wake up, and I didn't. Sorry I didn't include this in my original post (I should have, I was tired when I wrote the first post, and I had forgotten this tidbit), but eventually my dad woke up, walked into my bedroom(I was seeing this in the OBE), and then started telling me to wake up. Then I actually(in the human plane)woke up. I really think this was an actual OBE. You can think wutever you like, but at the end of the day, I'll still believe myself.
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      As far as I'm concerned, the only way to validate an OBE is with real world evidence. You must be able to verify some previously unknown piece of information that you learn in a dream while awake. Any evidence you receive in a dream is suspect, as dreams are only going to show you what you want to be true.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      As far as I'm concerned, the only way to validate an OBE is with real world evidence. You must be able to verify some previously unknown piece of information that you learn in a dream while awake. Any evidence you receive in a dream is suspect, as dreams are only going to show you what you want to be true.
      Soooooooooo true. But people who have OBE's think it's enough proof just to feel them, because they know it must be true if it happens. Unfortunately I've yet to hear about someone getting past this and actually proving it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      As far as I'm concerned, the only way to validate an OBE is with real world evidence. You must be able to verify some previously unknown piece of information that you learn in a dream while awake. Any evidence you receive in a dream is suspect, as dreams are only going to show you what you want to be true.
      Lots of evidence has been given out, though. People who visit family and get the exact details right when they are someplace else, etc.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Lots of evidence has been given out, though. People who visit family and get the exact details right when they are someplace else, etc.
      I'm sure there have been, but could you give us some sources?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Diablo Mablo View Post
      I'm sure there have been, but could you give us some sources?

      I don't got any on hand but i'll find some and post them here. I'll try finding well known sites with lots of scientists if possible, instead of some geocities or yahoo site with fake stories.
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      Excellent... also, have you ever tried it?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Diablo Mablo View Post
      Excellent... also, have you ever tried it?
      Nope, i get way too itchy to do any meditating to OBE, i almost OBEd my 3rd day trying though i was told. I felt all weird and as if i was rising as i was all numb. Kinda easy to stop thinking so much if you try, i shut it off within 20 minutes so i was not thinking of a million things at once like i do, though it's impossible to NOT think at all. I just read the info and try and soak it in rather then to try it myself, i can't STAND the itching, it drives me crazy although i itch most of the day when i'm not active. i'm not sure if i wanna continue down this road, though...the days seem to go by ultra slow when i do and last thing i need is to feel like i have been alive for 400 years when i hate being alive to begin with.


      As for the info i was gonna get...seems as if there isn't much on the net or i just suck at looking for things. Anyway here are a few i could find.

      http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html
      http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

      Cannot be a skeptic to the neardeath.com ones as doctors and scientists wont lie on a subject like this especially if they study them, not to mention it's things they cannot possibly know with their body laying someplace else far away.

      Try iands.org as it's an NDE website which usually lead to obe things.

      I heard of a story i believe it was near-death.com where they said a man was in the hospital and he went to the roof and saw a shoe i believe it was (read it a while ago, may be a smidge off on the thing he saw) on the roof outside, he comes back to the body and
      tells them, they go to the roof and what do you know...a shoe!!!! also some other stories but i dont got any doctors or scientists to verify so i usually wont put much stock into the story without their expert knowledge on it.


      Try searching for Waldo Vieria, aswell.

      I'll try finding more if i can. Hard to find these things with people who know this stuff. Oh yeah and some books by scientists that have more proven obe stuff.
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      Yah I don't think you'll find anything on the net that'll convince me. I think this is all possible without actually leaving your body. Maybe I'll try it next summer and see if I can prove it lol.
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      Well, like anything you can only follow so much of what people tell you is true, you really need a bit of self proof. Not alot but enough to let you make up your own mind on what you believe and what you don't believe. Kind of hard to do anything without your own expieriences so if you do try it out goodluck and hope you find what you're looking for, if not then just believe what you wanna believe because that's the important thing, your own beliefs.

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      When you AP, you can see your hands if you try to look at them.

      Though, they will melt before your eyes before long, as it's your conscious mind trying to create something (as opposed to your sub-conscious mind).

      You can create anything you want consciously whilst APing, but none of it's gonna last long, unless you let your subconscious mind take over.

      Then, your basically gonna start making a dream world.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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