Thread: OBE, ND, Astral Projection- believers only please

Not Astral Projection.

Realization.

The universe is within.

You have seen a glimpse.

You also, may have noticed, that you "fell into yourself", or the exact opposite, your body disappearing or getting further away.

Double post.

*Edit*
You, were meditating. Well, a form of meditation, is what you were doing.

You may have noticed, your eyes were looking towards the center of your eyebrows, or noticed a strange sensation in them.

Also, you don't need to have your eyes closed to meditate.

cloudWalker

I believe in spirituality, or thats what I call my connection with a higher "power?". But I have realized that there is a big difference in the religion and teachings. I think that religiouse organizations most often have a personal agenda. And the burocracy is just nausiating.

I have had a NDE/OBE in a come. I truly believe that I traveled to either past lives or furture events. For simplicity I just refere to them as dreams, but the emotional feeling that goes with these "dreams" is incredible. I am anxiouse to see some things come true, or realize where I have been. I really feel that there is more to come!!!

Originally Posted by cloudWalker

Not Astral Projection.

Realization.

The universe is within.

You have seen a glimpse.

What I an trying to do is associate the proper labels with the experiences.

Lucid dreaming, I know what that is through direct experience and associate the label by comparing to others descriptions of their direct experiences.

The involuntary OBE and ND direct experiences above seem to correlate to those given labels as well after reading other accounts of such.

The last example I gave , with the mantra and meditative concentration, if not labeled Astral projection, what is a/the apropriate label for that direct experience then?

You also, may have noticed, that you "fell into yourself", or the exact opposite, your body disappearing or getting further away.

IN addition to the experiences above I have had numerous others that ended abruptly before anthing materialized within the view to be experienced. Out of all of these there have been 1 or 2 that had a falling into myself sort of feel, but all the rest including the examples above were a feeling of moving upward out the top forefront of my head and away from the body.

You, were meditating. Well, a form of meditation, is what you were doing.

Can you elaborate? That is if not answered already from the inquiry above.

You may have noticed, your eyes were looking towards the center of your eyebrows, or noticed a strange sensation in them.

I just read up on the Chakras and energy within and such. What I have been doing(without any formal idea) would appear to be oulling the enrgy within( which to me feels like subtle pulsations, almost like electric current would be imagined to be) upward from the lower chakras and then centering in the third eye or middle of the forehead. This is also what it felt like in the involuntary nd obe experiences. I just used those as a pattern to try and do on purpose what happened there. Seems to have worked for one reason or another.

Experimenting with this, it almost seems like one can perpetuate an even flow within or center the energy in one place or another. Any comments? You must realize that I am working withj direct experience without any real association with labels of which I am pretty much ignorant of, though this is not without some purpose.
One night I awoke from a dream with a very strong feeling directed towrads the notion of "thought without words". This has repeated itself on more than one occasion, so I just try to work it in with what I am doing. I just trust in that which comes through me sort of thing.

Also, you don't need to have your eyes closed to meditate

I am just beginning to see this.

let me set you strait on a few bits. a ND (near death) experience is literally when your body dies in some fashion like a car wreck and you get reserected a the hospital or so and your soul gets ready for the death proses but comes back cause the body got repaired

also god is a fictional carter, there is no real deity. but if you must label something god, then god=all though all is a bit mindless

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

What I an trying to do is associate the proper labels with the experiences.

Lucid dreaming, I know what that is through direct experience and associate the label by comparing to others descriptions of their direct experiences.

The involuntary OBE and ND direct experiences above seem to correlate to those given labels as well after reading other accounts of such.

The last example I gave , with the mantra and meditative concentration, if not labeled Astral projection, what is a/the apropriate label for that direct experience then?

Remember, labels, are just interpretations of people. Always be aware, of that.

Simply, you have seen a glimpse. Within that glimpse, your true self (if there is such a thing). You notice, that the universe, is literally, you. You created it, you in fact, are it.
Once you do this for the first time, you can work at mastering it. You have a key, to understand immortality, a key, to open the door, to a glimpse, of what existence truly is (i must add, that there is something even beyond this).
I know no label for this. Though, through meditation, we seek to attain this exerience, and then go deeper, and deeper, and even deeper. We go inwards, to know outwards.

[QUOTE=NonDualistic;551000]Can you elaborate? That is if not answered already from the inquiry above.[\QUOTE]
Well, activating and channeling energy or chakras, is meditation in itself.
Though, since you had your eyes open, if you were concentrating on an object, until that was the only object you could see, and then that object dissapeared itself, then you would have been thrown to your center. That is a type of meditation also.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

I just read up on the Chakras and energy within and such. What I have been doing(without any formal idea) would appear to be oulling the enrgy within( which to me feels like subtle pulsations, almost like electric current would be imagined to be) upward from the lower chakras and then centering in the third eye or middle of the forehead. This is also what it felt like in the involuntary nd obe experiences. I just used those as a pattern to try and do on purpose what happened there. Seems to have worked for one reason or another.

Experimenting with this, it almost seems like one can perpetuate an even flow within or center the energy in one place or another. Any comments? You must realize that I am working withj direct experience without any real association with labels of which I am pretty much ignorant of, though this is not without some purpose.
One night I awoke from a dream with a very strong feeling directed towrads the notion of "thought without words". This has repeated itself on more than one occasion, so I just try to work it in with what I am doing. I just trust in that which comes through me sort of thing.

I mean it very strongly, when i say, don't get attached to the labels people give. Including myself.
They are just interpretations, of things, experiences etc.
One thing relating to what you are doing, may be unrelated to another thing. Regardless if it is claimed to be related.

You are actually pulling "cosmic" energy, into your body and then into your third eye.
This usually automatically happens at night, though not on the same level as it can that can be attained whilst conscious.

Seeing as it is 5:49am, i'm not going to elaborate pointlessy further, at this moment.
I will, however, answer all replies to any future questions, and i can also direct you to resources where you can attain additional information.

cloudWalker

Originally Posted by U-mos

let me set you strait on a few bits. a ND (near death) experience is literally when your body dies in some fashion like a car wreck and you get reserected a the hospital or so and your soul gets ready for the death proses but comes back cause the body got repaired

also god is a fictional carter, there is no real deity. but if you must label something god, then god=all though all is a bit mindless

ND or OBE, I wasnt sure what induced the experience I described. Since I hadnt apparrently been breathing .

As to my understanding of "God" or any one of the other numerous similar labels, that can be found in the following topic I made a reply to earlier:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=45193

Thanks for the input.

Originally Posted by cloudWalker

Remember, labels, are just interpretations of people. Always be aware, of that.

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I mean it very strongly, when i say, don't get attached to the labels people give. Including myself.
They are just interpretations, of things, experiences etc.
One thing relating to what you are doing, may be unrelated to another thing. Regardless if it is claimed to be related.

From experience I understand all too well how one can get sidetracked, hindered, and otherwise lost in labels, practices and such. Even reading that one more book, listening to that one more speaker can even itself become an obstacle.

To me the label is only necesary in order to identify the actual experience I am having for the means to communicate via language so I can ask questions when the need should arise. I am beginning to see why the Dzogchen masters speak of direct transmission being necesary to Know something essential.
My gratitude to you for your input.

Wait, so where do you start on these kind of things (meditation, APs)

I've been interested for a while, but most of the sites I go to sound like automated fortune cookies.

Thank you NonDualistic

For "Liking" my latest post. I "friended" you and am reading through your (deep, insightful) threads. I'm upto this post:

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Being new to the terminology here I have some experiences I wish to share to see if my experiences are on the same page as the definitions commonly held here.

Just for background, at the age of 10 I broke free of the concept of religion and began seeing religion and divine teaching as two distinctly different things. It was then that I began pursuing the teaching rather than the religion.

At the age of 20 and again at the age of 30 I had nearly identical what I guess to be ND/OBE experiences. Both began while asleep as like a dream but one in which I was fully aware.

I felt my presence literally pulling away from the body.

My presence was moving quickly faster and faster over the earth first about 30 feet off the ground, then out into space over the earth.

While this was happening I was keenly aware that there was yet a thread of sorts tieing me to the body yet.

Also I noticed that everything seemed dim and somewhat dark, even the light of the sun and stars shone as dimmer than normal.

Whats more interesting is that there seemed to be a brightness coming from myself that lit up whatever I was focusing on seeing.

Also, the "seeing" didnt seem as usual, it was like all the senses rolled up into one, all functioning as one. (Best words can do to explain it)

At this point a bright white light opened up in the direction of my movement and at that moment a feeling of calm came over me and the thought

[/b]" do you/I want to go home?" [/b]

arose.

Filled wth thoughts of the Ego self I thought

"No, not yet"

and with that my eyes opened and I was in my body again. Immediately the realization was there that I was not breathing, and when I took a breath, it [u]burned[/b] real bad just like when you have held your breath underwater too long, only multiply that by ten or more.

Both accounts were pretty much identical, save for the second being that I was fully aware I had been there, done that before.

Prior to turning 40 I made a shift in my conscious thinking. ***I banished all doubt in the possibility of direct manipulation of the things around me by conscious intent. ***I merely set forth the thought

"how is such done?

what are the mechanics behind such?".

There hasnt been a dull moment since.

That was a little over a year ago. Being moved from one subject to another, reading one book after another, and may meditative journeys within, I found myself lying in bed one eveing fully awake. I began reciting a short mantra,

"one with God one with All".

(FYI I do not see the essence commonly called "God" as something seperate from myself or any other)

Over and over I repeated this mantra.


Now I dont really know much of the definitions of Chakras or anything along those lines, but I can/could feel the energy "vibrations" within (if that means anything) and I focused on expanding that energy upward and outward (best I can describe at this point)

Anyhow, all of a sudden it was as if my conscious self shot outward in all diretions at once. A good analogy would be what happens to the air inside a balloon when it is popped.

Then I it was like I was in Space looking around at planets, stars and the infinite expanse. Just as the two accounts above, everything seemed a bit dark or dimm, even the light of the stars and the sun.

Different though was that there was not one large point of white light , but many many small points of white light, all brighter than the stars and sun . tens of thousands, uncountable. I began to notice a lot of these points of light going out, extinguished one by one. At that point a huge wave of sorrow came over me, then a huge wave of calm and I was back in bed.

Interesting to note that I noticed my eyes were already open. I dont think they were ever closed during the whole experience, and thats what makes me wonder if this was an Astral experience.

Any thoughts?

Sorry for the excessive length.

I deeply relate to wat you wrote between my (***).

***I banished all doubt in the possibility of direct manipulation of the things around me by conscious intent. ***

Buddha's recommend practice is (exclusive) observation. Where you don't do any visualizations. And when the focus wanders a way from the object of meditation one does nothing about it.

When one becomes aware that one is thinking one simply says "thinking, thinking, thinking..." till the thinking "ceases" then gently return to the object of meditation.

Even it you notice you are "liking" how you feel you treat the "liking" as a distraction and say "liking, liking, liking,,," till the liking ceases then gently return to the object.

One does the same with all "arisings" for example:

Thinking
Liking
Disliking
Pain
Boredom
Anger
Peace
Bliss
Love
Hate
...

What ever takes one away from the object of meditation, you don't fight it. You don't react. You just say a mental mantra while observing the distraction.

Buddha said "all arisings cease".

So in His (this) meditation one just watches and waits for the inevitable "ceasing" the go back to the object.

So I think the very advanced can change and manipulate any thing (like you said). But by then they are well practiced in "observing" without imposing Egoic desires.

***

Oh, modrators, please don't lock this "necroed" thread. The OP is still here anf active. And I want to share (on Dreamviews) with him.

Like or dislike is not the reality of the action

The liking of a DV posting for me..

Such is a recognition of tasting the meaning being conveyed..

Within myself..

In my own experience..

Knowing it beyond the words describing it




We are all teachers

We are all students

That which is within is the best teacher

Whether the teaching comes in the form of dreams..

In the form of meditation..

Within ones own words and writings...

Or within the words and writings of another


This is the focus

This IS the meditation


To recognize such when it arises before us


The whole of life

Whether Dreaming or Waking

At Work or at Rest

Is meditation



But then "meditation" is only a word....