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      Satanism

      This is in reference to theistic satanism, not the sect founded by Anton LeVay or any philosophy practicing prechristian codes of morality (except where they intersect)

      One standard I'd like to set is that my research has concluded beyond reasonable doubt that if there are many dark deities, there certainly is no supreme Satan. If there is, it's actually Jehova, who's existence will be flawed as long as he assumes he is the greatest living deity (The gnostics refer to this as the demuirge.)

      I'm really posing a question to those who know a lot about the worship of demons. I'd like to find a website explaining the details of their practices if possible, but explanations from you guys and your opinions are always appreciated.

      So what do they worship and believe, exactly? Do they make blood sacrifices and etc...? Are they behind the powers that be orchestrating such sacrifices to fuel the world's hatred against itself? Have they sworn allegiance to those that feed off fear and anger? What's the story?

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      This may not answer any questions you have, but I knew this lady who had multipal personality disorder from sever abuse that she sustained in a "coven". Turned out that she was breed to be either a high priestes or a baby maker. She was breed frequently starting at the age of 13. If she had a female baby it was most oftened disposed of until they needed another female breeder. She also stated that they had ritualistic sacrafices of many animals. Blood letting and consumation. If you want to try to google this "coven" or "satan cult" they are in Bastrop, Texas.

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      i would think that worshiping demons is quite pointless (or any thing for that matter) sure you might be able to fine a nice demon but the most of them wont care for what ever you want and just abuse you for there own means, in other words they don't give a crap about you or any one else

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      Demons and the like, including "Satan", all originate from the same source as everything.

      In that, they are everything.

      Only fools worship anything but themselves.

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      Demons and the like, including "Satan", all originate from the same source as everything.

      In that, they are everything.

      Only fools worship anything but themselves.
      Very true point.

      This is in reference to theistic satanism, not the sect founded by Anton LeVay or any philosophy practicing prechristian codes of morality (except where they intersect)

      One standard I'd like to set is that my research has concluded beyond reasonable doubt that if there are many dark deities, there certainly is no supreme Satan. If there is, it's actually Jehova, who's existence will be flawed as long as he assumes he is the greatest living deity (The gnostics refer to this as the demuirge.)

      I'm really posing a question to those who know a lot about the worship of demons. I'd like to find a website explaining the details of their practices if possible, but explanations from you guys and your opinions are always appreciated.

      So what do they worship and believe, exactly? Do they make blood sacrifices and etc...? Are they behind the powers that be orchestrating such sacrifices to fuel the world's hatred against itself? Have they sworn allegiance to those that feed off fear and anger? What's the story?
      Well, I have studied the Occult and other secret societies for many years. It is difficult to narrow your questions down to a single group because there's a multitude of groups out there who practice similar or different rituals that are dedicated to other entities other than just Lucifer. Some practice to the dark pagan deities and demons of the Old Times.

      To go into your curiousity of demons and demonic rituals: It is an extremely bad idea to even attempt to conjure a spirit when you are a novice in the magickal arts. You should practice and be aware of the ins and outs of Magick before attempting something so high. But despite this, there's a variety of ways that it can be done. Usually, you don't just summon a being and talk to it. You bound the entity by the name of the Creator (Elohim, Tetragammatron, Yahweh) disregarding the necessary circle of protection and other reagents - when you bound the entity by its name and clarify the entity's identity in the name of the Creator, right then you can have questions answered and/or even have the entity/spirit do something for you.

      Regardless if it is a demon or angel, you can have a demon do something good or an angel do something bad. But demons are a giant mess altogether, especially if you screw up. Possession can lead to psychological issues, disease, and death. There are extremely powerful entities out there, both good, neutral, and dark. I recommend you tread carefully if you intend on practicing the Old Arts.

      As far Jehova being the absolute evil over the world except Satan, I would have to disagree. Jehova, or actually the proper name 'Yahweh', is not the cause of evil and hatred. It is man. Man has corrupted His word and melded religion and politics into a system of dominion and fear. Types of Satanism are just downright paths of negativity to the soul and spiritual evolution. There are cults out there who kidnap children and sacrifice them. Police departments and detective agencies are keen on trying not to get too involved in such investigations because of the horror as well as the power in the hands of these cults.

      I can also give you a site to satisfy your thirst for arcane knowledge.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cloudWalker View Post
      Demons and the like, including "Satan", all originate from the same source as everything.

      In that, they are everything.

      Only fools worship anything but themselves.

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      Being born from the same source doesn't mean that the end result will make them all equal. Here's an example to counter what you have said in your post, no offense meant.

      I was born a twin brother. Although my twin and I came from the same source (my mother), he ended up dealing drugs on the street and became addicted to ecstacy, from which he's lost 20% of his brain's dark matter. He has poor vocabulary, and often steals to have enough to eat. I, on the other hand, was responsible for the organization of a political reform group that now clains 2.8 million members, have set up a charity foundation which has raised 915 thousand dollars in the past 6 months for cancer research, and have traveled 63 of the worlds nations. I am well versed in 3 languages, can roughly speak 2 more, and hold a masters degree in architecture.

      Now, if there were one who were in need of some serious financial or emotional help, who would they come to for advice? My brother, or myself?

      In terms of deities now, imagine that someone believed they were in need of spiritual guidance, and they believed in the worship of said beings. Who would they choose to ask for help? Something they obviously believe to be superior to other deities, regardless of which source they came from.

      Remember, what I stated was for demonstrative purposes. You can see the point I make though, correct? If you make a statement like that in the future, PLEASE try to back yourself up with some form of logic.

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      In that, they are everything.
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      If they are everything, what does that make us? Are we external components of existence? Please, once again, try to back up your arguments. Thank you.

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      I wasn't intending to summon anything, I was more interested in the modern day organizations that use the help of such entities. But thanks for the info.

      As far as what you said about the God. The "supreme being" believes itself to be supreme, which is not true, and as long as it thinks so it will be incapable of completely clear judgment of how to govern our existence. All beings between the very bottom of Hell and the brink of nirvana are susceptible to the same problems as man, even though its to a much lesser degree the higher they go they are all still vulnerable to losing merit and going downward.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      As far as what you said about the God. The "supreme being" believes itself to be supreme, which is not true, and as long as it thinks so it will be incapable of completely clear judgment of how to govern our existence. All beings between the very bottom of Hell and the brink of nirvana are susceptible to the same problems as man, even though its to a much lesser degree the higher they go they are all still vulnerable to losing merit and going downward.
      Couldn't there be the fact that we all started in Nirvana, but eventually we became too caught up with our own desires and imagination and fell downward? I think that no matter where you are, anyone is capable of falling.
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      Quote Originally Posted by invader_tech View Post
      I was born a twin brother. Although my twin and I came from the same source (my mother), he ended up dealing drugs on the street and became addicted to ecstacy, from which he's lost 20% of his brain's dark matter. He has poor vocabulary, and often steals to have enough to eat. I, on the other hand, was responsible for the organization of a political reform group that now clains 2.8 million members, have set up a charity foundation which has raised 915 thousand dollars in the past 6 months for cancer research, and have traveled 63 of the worlds nations. I am well versed in 3 languages, can roughly speak 2 more, and hold a masters degree in architecture.
      Pssh. When you die you have nothing, as does he.
      You shall return to the source, whatever you believe in.

      God - Heaven.
      Non-existence - Non-existence.
      That is, assuming you disagree with infinity, yet i doubt you would post as such if you did.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cloudWalker View Post
      Pssh. When you die you have nothing, as does he.
      Right, but how do you KNOW we have nothing after we die? Could it not be that we gain some sort of insight after living another life? I do believe that we would eventually return to this source, but there's no rulebook that says it happens immediately after death, and that we lose all knowledge and growth gained from the experience of life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by invader_tech View Post
      Right, but how do you KNOW we have nothing after we die? Could it not be that we gain some sort of insight after living another life? I do believe that we would eventually return to this source, but there's no rulebook that says it happens immediately after death, and that we lose all knowledge and growth gained from the experience of life.
      Do you think a political reform group, a charity foundation for cancer research, travelling the world, communication skills, and a masters degree in architecture, are really valuable experiences?

      Do you think they are going to mean anything at all after you die?

      We all die alone. No-one holds our hand and comes with us.

      All over the world, man has searched for freedom; you cannot find a man who is not hankering after freedom in his own way. Through many paths man tries to find a state of being where he can be free, and he resents anything that gives him a feeling of bondage. He hates it. Anything that hinders, that makes him imprisoned, he fights. He struggles against it. Hence so many political fights, so many wars, revolutions; hence so many continuous family fights -- wife and husband, father and son, all fighting each other. The fight is basic. The fight is for freedom. The husband feels confined, the wife has imprisoned him -- now his freedom is cut. And the wife feels the same. They both resent each other, they both fight, they both try to destroy the bondage. The father fights the son because every stage of growth in the son means more freedom for him. And the father feels he is losing something: power, authority. In families, in nations, in civilizations, man is hankering after only one thing -- freedom.

      But nothing is achieved through political fights, revolutions, wars. Nothing is achieved. Because even if you get freedom, it is superficial -- deep down you remain in bondage. So every freedom proves a disillusionment. Man longs so much for wealth, but as far as I understand it, it is not a longing for wealth, it is a longing for freedom. Wealth gives you a feeling of freedom. If you are poor, you are confined, your means are limited -- you cannot do this, you cannot do that. You don't have the money to do it. The more money you have, the more you feel you have freedom, you can do anything you like. But when you have all the money and you can do all that you wish, imagine, dream about, suddenly you feel this freedom is superficial, because inside your being knows well that you are powerless and that anything can attract you. You are impressed, influenced, possessed by things and persons.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cloudWalker View Post
      Do you think a political reform group, a charity foundation for cancer research, travelling the world, communication skills, and a masters degree in architecture, are really valuable experiences?
      For someone looking for financial or emotional help during this life, it would be. You forget that I was using that for a previous example that only pertained to seeking help, and choosing who to seek help from.

      Beyond just seeking help, for the person who goes through all of those experiences, they may vary well find a lot of personal growth, in which case they still would be very valuable experiences. People grow through experience. Almost every experience is valuable in some shape or form.

      Quote Originally Posted by cloudWalker View Post
      Do you think they are going to mean anything at all after you die?
      Not for the purpose they were intended for, because this world will most likely mean nothing to me after I pass on. In terms of that personal growth, yes, it could mean something. But that would be getting us involved in the subject of what our purpose is here (ie: Is life a game of God's who wanted to see who would become most successful? Is life a dream? Is life a test? Is life meant to be a chance to advance my soul? Is life an accident?). Because that is irrelevant to the example I was demonstrating, it has no place with what i'm talking about. We were discussing the worship of dieties in regards to theistic Satanism, and why one might pursue such a path. Not life after death, or the purpose of life.

      Quote Originally Posted by cloudWalker View Post
      We all die alone. No-one holds our hand and comes with us.
      There's no way to know whether we're welcomed or not on the "other side" after we die, this falls heavily into the realm of beliefs. Everyone has their own beliefs, there's no point in arguing them here, considering it would once more take us along another tangent. I'm replying to this thread to discuss the topic it represents.

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