Thread: Shadow Beings

Originally Posted by seriouscentaur

I've seen them too after staying up for a few days without sleep. The ones I saw were fairly short and most of them didn't move too much, just fading away rather than running or something. None ever attacked me though...

If anything, I think (and sort of hope) what I saw can be explained by an over-active pattern recognition and some of that HI stuff thrown in.

Oh and dream disciple, did it attack you while you were awake? Also, what's an inorganic?

I was not awake, but being lucid is dam close. There was no physical attack so to speak but it's presence was strictly evil. To understand an inorganic being you should google it and I recommend reading Carlos Castaneda The Art of Dreaming. On another note what is HI? I'm assuming a drug of some sort if it kept you awake for 2 days??

Originally Posted by dream disciple

I was not awake, but being lucid is dam close. There was no physical attack so to speak but it's presence was strictly evil. To understand an inorganic being you should google it and I recommend reading Carlos Castaneda The Art of Dreaming. On another note what is HI? I'm assuming a drug of some sort if it kept you awake for 2 days??

HI is hypnogogic imagery unless he means something else

Yeah that's what I meant. That's a pretty common abbreviation, right?

But wait if you were dreaming, doesn't that make it a different sort of thing?

And lol sleepingdog. :3

No chance that shadow beings are related the the "HAG" phenomenon?

i.e. an obvious hallucination generated for reasons commonly understood.

Originally Posted by moonshine

No chance that shadow beings are related the the "HAG" phenomenon?

I've encountered a shadow being in one of the first lucids (it was not SP). At that time I've related it to reading too much Castaneda, but it really striked me when I started to dig up forums that this seems like world-wide phenomenon among dreamers which do not depend on what they have read before.

and this cant be blamed on sleep paralysis

Why not? These kind of statements are just an excuse to ignore rationality UNLESS you proov why it can't be blamed on SP.

That's like me saying, wow- the economy is really screwed up as of late. Why do you think that is? Oh, and it can't be blamed on the mortage market.

Originally Posted by spockman

Why not? These kind of statements are just an excuse to ignore rationality UNLESS you proov why it can't be blamed on SP.

That's like me saying, wow- the economy is really screwed up as of late. Why do you think that is? Oh, and it can't be blamed on the mortage market.

If you look at all the accounts of Old Hag attacks, no two are exactly the same, either in physical appearance or in the way they act.

Shadow people on the other hand, are homogeneous right across the board.

But at least that's an explanation. Not an arbitrary shutting down of a possibility.

I had a weird experience a few days ago. I was sitting on my couch in my basement, and out of the corner of my eye i saw this really skinny, completely orange guy dash behind this this pillar thing that holds up the ceiling. it scared me so bad.

I have experienced one of those shadow beings before... It was long time ago and i felt (i still do) that someone is watching me, like always i'm turning my head to see if there is something and there was! It was completly dark but was shaped like a man after 2 seconds it disappeared i was extremely scared but i have never seen them since.

I was fully awake (It was not a dream or SP)

Originally Posted by The Cusp

If you look at all the accounts of Old Hag attacks, no two are exactly the same, either in physical appearance or in the way they act.

Shadow people on the other hand, are homogeneous right across the board.

No chance of a vague amorphous figure being the most basic form of hypnagogic mental creation then?

Originally Posted by moonshine

No chance of a vague amorphous figure being the most basic form of hypnagogic mental creation then?

Not when people see them in the middle of the day as they are walking down the street.

Old hag must be the cause, in each of the cases that I've undergone sleep paralysis I've seen those shadow figures.
In most of my extremely low-level lucid dreams; I watch them sneak up to my bedside and stand around me. Although sometimes they come as animals instead, mainly wolves.
I think silhouettes of figures must be the mind's default for any living being, which is probably why the case is so popular.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Not when people see them in the middle of the day as they are walking down the street.

And this has happened has it?

Never happened to me, but there are plenty of accounts of it.

I'm reasonably sure that hypnagogic hallucinations and the hallucinations experienced by schizophrenics are one and the same. The clinical list of symptoms for either are interchangeable. If shadow people are linked to HH, perhaps the people who see them during the day are experiencing schizophrenia?

The thing is I have some degree of control over my HH. When you wake up to see one of those things in your room, you become very skeptical. You don't want that fucking thing to be real.

Whenever I saw them, I tried a lot of stuff to try and see if they were really a product of my mind. Trying to influence them, change them, even a minor flicker of mutation. Even tried to tackle them a couple of times, but nothing ever worked. I'm just saying it freaks me out that I couldn't relate it anything I knew about dreaming or HH.

So the general consensus is that they're HI (or HH) and not actual, externally existing entities? Sort of unexciting if you ask me.

Have there been any reported cases of multiple people seeing the same shadow figures?

Originally Posted by seriouscentaur

Sort of unexciting if you ask me.

So is everything that's proven to be NOT MAGIC.

Originally Posted by seriouscentaur

Have there been any reported cases of multiple people seeing the same shadow figures?

Of course, coincidences happen.
Put two babbling drug-induced looneys in a room and eventually they'll wind up seeing the same thing at least once.

Originally Posted by ProLuko

So is everything that's proven to be NOT MAGIC.

Ha then maybe if less people with something to prove decided to disprove all the interesting things, there'd be fewer cynics and more fun.

I guess you could put it that way.
But the only way to achieve that result would be mass genocide of skeptics.
This website would prosper however.

My own shadow is probably what I spend the most time looking at, when I walk, when I stand. I'm always outside. I would assume that the first/2nd thing people look at in another being would be it's outline/ it's shape. The logical, not skitzo, explanation might be that a silhouette or a shadow would appear. Out of all hallucinations, a darkened shape seems the most simple.

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

it's a being without any real organs. this includes those who have stuffed themselves full of organs in order to blend into our society. there is always something funny about them tho.

More organs means more human!

i have two stories of shadow being experiences one was from me one was from my brother and i have never heard of shadow beings till i came here mine happened during sleep paralysis right after a nightmare i was laying on my stomach(wich i never do) and barely managed to turn my head around and see a shadow being holding me down and my brothers happened in rehab he said in his drean he rolled over in his bed and there was a red robed figure with a hood that he couldnt see into looming over his bed and he immediately woke up and was too scared to roll over because he could feel the figure still there

Ehhh just tell me these things doesn't exist i really don't feel like go sleeping now .

Originally Posted by njmbb8

i have two stories of shadow being experiences one was from me one was from my brother and i have never heard of shadow beings till i came here mine happened during sleep paralysis right after a nightmare i was laying on my stomach(wich i never do) and barely managed to turn my head around and see a shadow being holding me down and my brothers happened in rehab he said in his drean he rolled over in his bed and there was a red robed figure with a hood that he couldnt see into looming over his bed and he immediately woke up and was too scared to roll over because he could feel the figure still there

that is quite interesting indeed, most shadow beings i have ever seen, are dressed in a dark cloaks trench coat things... but i have only ever seen one wearing a red cloak once, i think/feel they are different somehow, how? i don't know...

its quite possible shadow beings and the old hag are the one and the same, but couldn't shadow people and shadow beings be the same thing also? who says that shadow people are limited to just this reality? <hello they are a shadow!!!> lol
who says shadow people cant travel to the dimensions of our dreaming minds to do whatever they do!... there's so many unanswered questions......
i don't claim to know all the answers, i just believe they exist is all because they made them selves known to me, and once you *know* there isnt no turning back.
has anyone ever had a Incubus and Succubus experience? if i am correct this is different to the so called old hag syndrome right?

shadowpeople.org

i found this on an old post about shadow people. personally some of those stories scare the crap out of me. especially Mr. Grim.

i just thought id share it with everyone on here cause a lot of people still dont know about these guys, ive never seen one. some seem ok, l others seem like THEYRE OUT TO GET YOU!!! sorry.. had an axl rose moment. haha