Thread: Shared Dreaming Success

I've had a non-intentional shared dream with someone, if that counts

Do explain, please.

My friend says he can share dreams with however he pleases, but he has yet to show me the ability, because he has been reather troubled lately, he is really nice and honest though, used to be a DreamGuide here.

Oh I should tell you how he shares the dream, well he says he imagens their concept and puts it behind a portal such as a door, and goes through it.

I know a natural LDer who claims to always have god-like abilities every time. (Which I believe due this person's very high analytical ability). She claims she could try it on me.

Originally Posted by Super FZL

Do explain, please.

A while back a friend had this dream where our school was a bunch of demountable classrooms on the oval and they were all in a really close together grid and this one person was like this dictator of the school. He then woke up and went back to sleep and we both had a dream that continued on from that where a group of people, he and I included, had done something wrong and some sort of secret police were chasing after us all in between all the classrooms. We ten ran into this classroom (which looked like one of the classrooms at our school IRL) and jumped into a secret trapdoor behind one of the desks. Both my friend and I described identical dreams and even the weird way that we needed to run between the classrooms.

I heard some incredible stories about this but I found out that they were really just a stories.
I am currently experimenting with that but no success after about 10 attempts.

Originally Posted by Super FZL

Has anyone actually succeeded in sharing a dream with someone. I'm kind of skeptical, but if I had some proof, I'd get someone to try it.

That seems kind of backwards, the only proof that's possible is to try it and succeed.

You can try with me if you want. My way doesn't involve lucid dreaming though. If you're interested, I get a dream that contains some image of personal significance to you, or maybe you dream something that you recognize as including content that comes from me. I don't attempt to control this, it just happens. I've had some success with this with strangers on this site. The dream may already have occurred prior to your consciously pursuing this, but if it does there will be some key that connects it so that you'll know that's what it is. In the past I've asked people to think of a question of some personal philosophical importance that they'd like me to try to answer, because it helps draw the interest of the part of me/us that knows how to create the dream.

Originally Posted by Hitokage

I heard some incredible stories about this but I found out that they were really just a stories.

Yeah, often I wish that people would tell the truth or shut the hell up. I know from personal experience that some incredible things are possible though, so its also no good to just assume that everyone who makes wild claims is lying.

I guess eventually we have to learn how to tell when our dream intuitions are telling us the truth too, so maybe I complain too much about the dishonesty. It makes it harder to find out what's real and what's not, but maybe they're helping us learn how to see through it.

You're welcome to try it with me if you want also. My dreams have been notably uninspired for about two years now, but the element of sharing seems to have persisted longer than anything else.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

You're welcome to try it with me if you want also. My dreams have been notably uninspired for about two years now, but the element of sharing seems to have persisted longer than anything else.

Yeah it's not like I don't believe in it. I think that everything is possible. The problem is that as you said, people very often make things up for various reasons.

The proof would be if two people meet in dream and exchange for example a password or something. I tried to dream-contact on of my friends who was aware of that. We still try to accomplish it, every time one of us meet the other one in dream we talk about that but so far we never achieved a real connection.

About the offer, I would love to. Have to wait for another LD though. Sometimes I have it very often but sometimes no LD for weeks . You can try too. I just wonder how to realize that. I tried for example to summon that friend, to call him on the phone, to send him a letter, to summon him and connect with him with my hand on his head but nothing seems to be the right way hmmmmm

I often share a dream with my daughter - we have a place where we both meet (while lucid) and go from there - it i very cool!!

Originally Posted by floatinghead

I often share a dream with my daughter - we have a place where we both meet (while lucid) and go from there - it i very cool!!

And do you really remember the same things? Or it's just each of you dreaming normal dream and projecting the other one in your head?

we each have lucid dreams, we both go to the place we plan to meet at lucidly then when we wake we match the dreams up/compare - they usually match up around 90% (check my dream diary for highlights)

Here is an excerpt from a previous encounter: (I think we still need to sync up to a better degree)

1)

- I found my daughter at the tree talking to a group of her friends, they were standing around her clearly impressed with something she had done, I talked to her - she acknowledged me but seemed to be 'somewhere else' at first I thought she was a dream character so I shook her hard and and called out her name, felt a 'power' surge through me and felt she had 'woke up' in the dream

- my daughter was having a dream about giving her friend a ring she found on the floor - all of her friends were there and impressed with her generosity - she then finds herself running through a field to the tree with me

conclusion - this was pretty amazing, I think I actually saw through to her as she was having a dream and pulled her out of it!

2)

- I created a pink portal with her and we jumped through
- my daughter dream t of creating a blue portal with me and we jumped through

3)

- I find myself in the wild west, I am dressed as a cowboy standing next to my daughter, we decide to rob a bank/saloon
- my daughter finds herself in the wildwest with me, we are both dressed as cowboys - we decide to rob a bank

4)

- I tell my daughter to go out back and clear the place out while I start to collect money form the patrons - one puts his hand in his pocket and I think it is a gun so I shoot - but he is unharmed - my gun did not work!
- my daughter tries out her gun but finds it does not work

5)

- we walk out the bank and I plan to ride on some horses - but feel like I am forced to wake up
- my daughter dreams we have finished at the bank so as soon as we leave we go into a portal together and arrive back at the tree - we say goodbye and wake up

our dream finished at the same time again!

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Here is an excerpt from a previous encounter: (I think we still need to sync up to a better degree)

1)

- I found my daughter at the tree talking to a group of her friends, they were standing around her clearly impressed with something she had done, I talked to her - she acknowledged me but seemed to be 'somewhere else' at first I thought she was a dream character so I shook her hard and and called out her name, felt a 'power' surge through me and felt she had 'woke up' in the dream

- my daughter was having a dream about giving her friend a ring she found on the floor - all of her friends were there and impressed with her generosity - she then finds herself running through a field to the tree with me

conclusion - this was pretty amazing, I think I actually saw through to her as she was having a dream and pulled her out of it!

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That sounds great. Have you ever tried to exchange a password or something?

Very interesting... I could try your method of waking someone in a dream... Maybe that could function even by astral projection... I didn't try such intrusive method yet. It would be funny if my yell would be heard in physical dimension(I experimented a little to describe my surrounding and activities by speaking through physical body while out of body- it is possible, but it needs much stronger concentration.)

Originally Posted by Hitokage

The proof would be if two people meet in dream and exchange for example a password or something.

I think that part of what makes this hard, is the part of ourselves that is capable of sharing in a dream doesn't care very much about random passwords. The password needs to have content that is metaphorically relevant to the meaning of the dream. This is why I typically suggest having a philosophical question in mind. All of my precognitive dreams started out as metaphors for answering those kinds of questions, with the images being drawn from the next day, and the time-travel element being somewhat incidental. Then my precognitive experiences evolved into sharing experiences, after I observed that there's always at least a small element of sharing involved, and moved in that direction more. The point is to get as much of yourself invested in the dream as possible, your intellect doesn't have nearly as much leverage by itself.

Originally Posted by Hitokage

About the offer, I would love to. Have to wait for another LD though.

My way doesn't involve lucid dreaming for the most part. The reason is I'm not consciously capable of creating a shared dream lucidly, so I step back and let our subconscious handle it. For me being lucid in the sense of controlling the dream environment would interfere with that. I think that even the people that share dreams lucidly are relying on the subconscious part also, they don't by themselves actually know how to 'find' the other person and coordinate with them, even though they're involved in the process.

Here's one of my main dreams from last night, for anyone interested.

I'm looking through the window of a bus in the California capital, which by implication must be Sacramento, though I've never been downtown and it doesn't feel that way very much. Everything is a little bit blurry and has a bluish tint. The dome of the capitol building is tilted like its falling over. Nearby is a hotel, and parked in front of it is a bus with four levels to it. Maybe its there to provide auxiliary rooms because the hotel is full. I point out this bus to people sitting around me, because as you would imagine this is a pretty tall bus.

Both buses start moving, and I lose sight of the tall one. (This would represent a change in context, I'm not dreaming about quite the same thoughts in relation to quite the same people any more.) My bus goes into a garage-like room that has dogs and/or children in it. Two women are in charge in the room, one of them named Carla. The bus crashes into a wall. I go to the front of the bus and the driver isn't there. I'm concerned that the bus might be on top of someone, and ask Carla if she wants me to back the bus up. She doesn't answer. I'm pissed at her that she doesn't answer, since it seems possible that someone is dying under the bus. They succeed in moving the bus by pushing it from the outside, but it lurches in a way that would be destructive to anything that its on top of. Afterwards she still won't talk to me about what happened, or about her refusal to answer. I try to get my mom to talk to her about it.

The room is like a school or daycare, and we pay them once a month. The bill somehow depends on temperature, and cost's more when its hotter (like an air conditioning bill I guess). On one of the bills my wife had written 45 by mistake for the temperature, which is pretty hot and cost us a lot. She wants to know why the two women didn't catch the error. They say they overlooked it, but it seems that every time the two woman who do the accounting are Democrats, the budget of a particular university gets the shaft. (This brings the story back to the original image of the tilted capitol building dome. Somehow we're affiliated with that university, apparently. I've forgotten which one it is, but its a California state university and its not Stanford or Berkeley.) The women deny this but seem pleased by it. In a side conversation, one of the women mentions that they're going to get better or more luxurious cars soon. She says to the person she's talking to, "trust me". I interject, 'trust you how, when you can't even be trusted to answer when I ask about something important like moving the bus?'

I pretty much understand this dream in terms of my own life and people around me. The only thing that doesn't quite fit is there seems to be a British element to it. We use Fahrenheit in California and never think in Celsius, though the temperatures are clearly recorded in Celsius. We also don't have double decker buses here.

Were this a 'shared dream' of the kind I call shared dreaming, someone in this discussion would say that they to dreamed of a multi-level bus the previous night, or something like that. It would be an unlikely enough coincidence to be regarded as evidence in their minds, while leaving at least some small room for doubt. Its not necessary for us to have had the two dreams at the same time, the dreams can be connected by the conversation. So for instance, instead of sharing my dream from last night, I almost related a precognitive dream from a few years ago, to illustrate how it spoke to an unrelated philosophical question having to do with courage. Maybe the other person would have had a dream with remarkably similar images in it, that seemed like it might be shared, and that's what encouraged them to post on the topic. Or maybe not, I'm just trying to give a general sense of the way that it works when it does work, which seems to be about half the time. Maybe you can see why its hard to set up a conventional controlled experiment such as a person would use in a clinical study. I think that a successful controlled experiment is probably possible, just not easy enough to organize and pull off that one of us is very likely to be able to do it.

To highlight this point more....In the 'shared' dreaming phenomena I'm referring to, its not necessary for both people to dream at the same time, and I don't think it even helps. In my kind of dream, the two people generate the dream imagery independently, and its only the underlying thoughts that are partially shared. (Its actually not even necessary for both people to dream, it also works with thoughts even outside of dreams.) I can see why time synchronicity could be more important in a more actively lucid dream though.

shadowofwind is completely correct - passwords do not work unless what you feel about the password being said is the same as what the person who is receiving the password. I theorize that dreams are pretty much made up of pure energy, so everything that we think we perceive is just symbolically filtered down in order for us to visually make sense of it. I tried a password system once with my daughter in the early days - a random word: I said to her 'giraffe' she received 'unicorn' - make of that what you will!!

actually - I'd like to follow up from my last post with a sort of explanation/solution to my personal password 'test'. As stated above my secret random password was 'giraffe'. A giraffe to me is something pretty amazing - it is possibly the most beautifully unique mammal nature has given us, from it's strange but wonderful proportions to it's huge size coupled with it's gentle nature and unique brightly colored patterns it is truly one of natures most beautiful animals. With this is mind I would suggest that when I gave the password what was received is not language per say, but rather the emotional idea - and when my daughter (who was seven at the time) perceived this idea through her own visual symbolism she perceived something different -the most beautiful and wonderful mammal which she perceived as real - a unicorn.

I am not stating that this is what happened, although I am proposing a possible theory which would go in line with the way we perceive things within the dreaming.

Here is another example of how the same thing can be perceived differently by two people sharing a dream - excerpt from waking nomad's 'see you on the moon'

Raven knight's dream excerpt:
The room in the building was round. There was a chair in the center of the room. There were some people sitting around the edge of the room. I noticed the individual at the center chair looked like Yoda from Star Wars. I did a double take. I had not figured Yoda to be a dream warrior. Yoda called Nomad forward. They were talking for a bit and then Nomad left. Yoda turned his attention to me. I went over to him. He said here I would learn the ways of the dream warrior. He looked at me strangely and told me to gaze into a bowl he had. I looked in. There were images flowing around. It looked like a pensive from the Harry Potter books. I saw some images of me briefly and then it went hazy. Yoda looked a bit puzzled. He looked at me again. He said there was clearly more to me than the bowl was ready to show.
Waking Nomad's excerpt:
There was a creature sitting in the center chair, who looked like the Devil. He had smooth red skin, goat legs, the face of a man, and bull horns. "Step forward, Dream Warrior," he commanded Raven Knight. She stepped forward and stood before the water. "In your world, you are a Queen. Now you are an Apprentice. Gaze into the water." She looked down, and her eyes grew huge.

I looked around the room. "I can't believe this is happening. Is this real? Are we actually in the realm of the Dream Warriors?" The devil person said something else to Raven, but I wasn't paying attention.
"Step forward, Dream Warrior," he commanded me, "In your world, you are a king, here, you are an Apprentice. Now, gaze into the water."
I looked down in the water, and saw scenes of past lives, torment, pain, anger, rage, love, war, death, agony. It was overwhelming. I saw future lives where I will be non-human races. The future life scenes were blurry and obscured. Then, I saw a great lemniscate in outer space. All the Dream Warriors that have ever lived, and ever will live, were making up the great lemniscate. I felt they were all moving through me, and I was moving through all of them. I felt pain, joy, and anguish. Everything was getting smaller and bigger simultaneously. We were all infinite.
I looked up at the devil man. "What did you see?" he asked.
"Everything and nothing," I said. He almost imperceptibly smiled and nodded.
"Step to the side," he commanded me. I stepped over to the side, and two people placed some type of cloth over my shoulders, which draped down over my chest.

Hmmmm interesting thoughts, both of you guys. That might be truth about the passwords. (btw Shadow I dreamt about bus too but yeah that pretty low proof :-))

So how to really prove the shared dreaming? Yeah maybe similar environment and dream events but that may be caused by another things. For example if two people live together or talk about some topics together there is a high chance that their dreams will be similar.

I would love to achieve a state where two people can actually talk with each other in the dream and then remember the dialogue.

Originally Posted by Hitokage

Hmmmm interesting thoughts, both of you guys. That might be truth about the passwords. (btw Shadow I dreamt about bus too but yeah that pretty low proof :-))

So how to really prove the shared dreaming? Yeah maybe similar environment and dream events but that may be caused by another things. For example if two people live together or talk about some topics together there is a high chance that their dreams will be similar.

I would love to achieve a state where two people can actually talk with each other in the dream and then remember the dialogue.

Raven And Nomad were able to achieve pretty lengthy conversations within their shared dreams which came back around 90% accurate, although one thing to note about those two is that they are highly experienced dreamers and highly skilled shared dreamers (they show us what is potentially possible for shared dreamers if we practice enough) and so only with allot practice could we bring back similar results.

It is also worth noting that Nomad contacted various scientific institutions, researchers and other people and places in order for him and Raven to be tested using laboratory standards - the bottom line for this outcome though was that NOBODY CARED. The fact is that scientists have enough trouble as it is trying to pull together funding for subjects like medical research, no one would back such a fringe subject matter.

No, it is up to US to prove the world that this is possible through persistence and hard work. As was with the case with lucid dreaming back in the 60's, it will get to a point where it is an acceptable idea because there are so many reports of people doing it - it is up to US to pave the way - let science catch up with US.

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Raven And Nomad were able to achieve pretty lengthy conversations within their shared dreams which came back around 90% accurate, although one thing to note about those two is that they are highly experienced dreamers and highly ski...

Thanks for the info. So let's prove it!!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Can anyone shed light on how something like this is possible? Also what requirements do you need to dream share? Is it only for people who are experienced lucid dreamers or can you do it without being able to LD?

Originally Posted by Rippakone

Can anyone shed light on how something like this is possible? Also what requirements do you need to dream share? Is it only for people who are experienced lucid dreamers or can you do it without being able to LD?

I wrote a quick 9-step tutorial here - http://www.dreamviews.com/internatio...asy-steps.html

Imagine the scenario...
Contemplate the object...
Attain shared dreaming...
But the secret is I actually wanted this.
It made it effortless, and it made it fun.
If you don't want it 100% it will be more difficult.