Thread: How about telekinesis

Originally Posted by Abra

Uri Geller, Carlos-whatshisname, it's all easily duplicable. I can move a psi-wheel easily through deep breathing meditation. I can bend spoons, but of course I must hold them to transfer the energy. I can punch a flame out through psychic powers, but please disregard the air that I'm displacing.

Here's the deal. Sure, we can all have these 'psychic powers.' But if you can move a psi wheel, and not a pen, who really gives a crap?

Amen to that.

Look people, consciousness can already change the physical world in hugely dramatic ways. It does this by interacting with our neurons and sending impulses to the muscles in our limbs. It's a wonderful miracle that such an organ should come to be, but fantasizing like a bunch of egotistic adolescents about something which is not only impossible but hugely unimpressive by comparison anyway (gg you can spin bits of paper) simply shows a total ignorance of the true wonder of the universe.

((Im having trouble making a psi wheel... i make it.. and atach it to a needle.. which is in an eraser.. but the psi wheel wont spin when i flick it.. it goes down to the end of the needle...))

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ


opinions.

This had me honestly so I did some research.

Allegedly, this is the authors explanation:

The second video used this same principle, but in a more sophisticated fashion. The surface of the table is hollow, with two separate air channels going to two different pin holes. Two tubes could "plug in" to each hole on the hollowed legs, which were hidden by thin layer of laminate that could pop on and off. This is why you can't see the bottoms of the two front legs on the video when the wheel is spinning. From there, a person off camera was blowing into a tube that was connected to this hole (under the table) which cause the wheel to spin.

The author also frequents this forum:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com

He makes constant use of scientific and physics to create demonstrations as such (using things like infra-red lasers and conduction). He seems to like to taunt peopel on there as they are usually much easier than we think.

His name on that forum is Jjbreen

Very well done, but in conclusion, a ploy.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Very well done, but in conclusion, a ploy.

Shocking!

Originally Posted by O'nus

Very well done, but in conclusion, a ploy.

im pretty sure that wasnt a ploy. that was just the idea of some guy with waaaay 2 much free time that spent hours of his life trying 2 disprove a video 2 meet his selfish biased needs. i mean its not that hard 2 move a psi wheel but most peepol cant even come close 2 doing it. so those peepol try 2 make everyone else think it cant be done. it can be done, ive done it myself. if u dont believe in this stuff stop posting about it. thank you

If we didn't have any O'nus's in the world, we'd all be dead already. Just listen to what he says and try not to hurt yourself.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ


opinions.

I don't believe anything they put on youtube for this subject.

Im havin an impression that not a long time and you will post explanation abut lasers, geo-physics, termal energy, aliens activity, floor heating or bananas hanging from a ceiling, whereas even TK would be easier to explain.... even with physics laws

The second video used this same principle, but in a more sophisticated fashion. The surface of the table is hollow, with two separate air channels going to two different pin holes. Two tubes could "plug in" to each hole on the hollowed legs, which were hidden by thin layer of laminate that could pop on and off. This is why you can't see the bottoms of the two front legs on the video when the wheel is spinning. From there, a person off camera was blowing into a tube that was connected to this hole (under the table) which cause the wheel to spin.

... oook... where the hell can u see any tube ? oh... im sorry im sure he drilled his own floor and put it there, and then, when he put the table on the floor mirco-robots connect it with that tube... There is always a way to explain something, people would be fuckin sick if they wouldnt know how something works. Anyway thankz for the nice theory.
And the last one thing if u really believe it please do it home that way and send me some clips.

I'm not one to critizize. I find TK impossible, and still beleive. I just want to add that the creator of the video with the glass gar, and magnets did admit to using a tube. He spoke about this on a youtube formum, and said it was a very good video, so he used it to try to convice people. I think the video is tremoundous, but if it's possible to learn the real thing, i for one would like to.

I see, sometimes even i find it impossible, but what would or lives look like without a small amount of uncertainty and curiosity...

Exactly

(I checked those sites and found no tutorial for a psi wheel movment.. or psi ball)
(im only interested in the wheel)? limk?

here's the article for the psiwheel: http://psipog.net/art-nis-tk-training-manual.html

Originally Posted by mr.coffee

im pretty sure that wasnt a ploy. that was just the idea of some guy with waaaay 2 much free time that spent hours of his life trying 2 disprove a video 2 meet his selfish biased needs.

I gave you the site and his name where he said it. He constantly states that it is him and his links follow through.

i mean its not that hard 2 move a psi wheel but most peepol cant
even come close 2 doing it. so those peepol try 2 make everyone else think it cant be done.

Because it is phyically impossible; and operates on circular reasoning.

it can be done, ive done it myself. if u dont believe in this stuff stop posting about it. thank you

I respect that; I will leave this be after this post unless others inquire to me further.

Originally Posted by NoFear

Im havin an impression that not a long time and you will post explanation abut lasers, geo-physics, termal energy, aliens activity, floor heating or bananas hanging from a ceiling, whereas even TK would be easier to explain.... even with physics laws

First, there are explanations about lasers, geo-physics, etc. Why did you mention those? This guy admitted to using difficult things in order to create an amazing display. I am not speculating; he admitted it!

Second, TK defies physics laws. Simply review the laws of thermodynamics and you will see for yourself, unless you want me to post them for you.

... oook... where the hell can u see any tube ? oh... im sorry im sure he drilled his own floor and put it there, and then, when he put the table on the floor mirco-robots connect it with that tube... There is always a way to explain something, people would be fuckin sick if they wouldnt know how something works. Anyway thankz for the nice theory.
And the last one thing if u really believe it please do it home that way and send me some clips.

Before saying anything; he admitted to doing this! This is not speculation,
he admitted it himself!

Otherwise, great use of the straw-man argument

Firstly, he did not say he drilled into the ground, please read it again.

Furthermore, he wanted to make it seem good, why the hell would he make the tube obvious? Notice why the 360 view is a bit contrived?
Micro-robots..? Now who's being desparate to formulate an argument?

You're completely ignoring the fact that it was from the author and that he admitted it was a ploy.

Why would I re-enact this? It was clever. First, telekinesis is impossible by contemporary standards. Second, I am not wasting my time to prove it is false to someone who obviously cannot be proven wrong.

You think that I am being stubborn, but me let me ask you guys this, what can prove you wrong? So far, nothing, which is just the samething I can say about this pink elephant I am seeing in my room.

Originally Posted by noFear

but what would or lives look like without a small amount of uncertainty and curiosity...

There is a grand amount of uncertainty, simply review chaos theory. I do not think you give life enough credit and are desperately trying to invent new things. Take a venture out to a museum or read up on what physics can actually offer and you will see that life as truly amazing already.

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O'nus, with all your visible discussions in the Philosophy section, Extended Discussion and all such, I thought you'd be less narrow-minded than resorting to saying things like, "there is not something "more" out there".

Just because you don't know how to achieve something, and just because there are those that go about "discovering" said things instead of finding facts, learning from those that hold knowledge instead of speculation and doing things right, doesn't mean there is nothing "more".

Surely you'll agree with this quote?

You must never believe in a credulous way anything that you are told. You must not disbelieve it either, for that would be foolish. The only method to adopt is to accept as a possibility the things that you are told, then to set about finding out the way to prove these things for yourself.

LaBerge quoted that within "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" and it goes for all things, not just lucid dreaming and related subjects. No need to be narrow-minded but no need to be naive and think that wishful thinking will bring about results of any kind either.

Originally Posted by Merlock

O'nus, with all your visible discussions in the Philosophy section, Extended Discussion and all such, I thought you'd be less narrow-minded than resorting to saying things like, "there is not something "more" out there".

I really do not understand where this keeps coming from, but everytime I personally discuss with someone, they immediately change the accusation. Let me explain:

- I asked for methods on how to commit psychic abilities and telekinesis because, if it can be shown and demonstrated, I am more than willing to accept and believe it.
- I received a contradictory and hypocritical manual. It was full of oxymorons (ie. "we are all one but separate") which could not elaborate there subtext (ie. if we are all one but separate, what is our existance and how does tk work then?). Furthermore, the text is a lie (ie "we can direct energy into objects without touching them.... we do not need to explain why" *manual follows to try and explain why*).
- I admitted to being stumped by the video Carousoul posted, but the author admitted that it was fake.

I do believe there is more out there, but it always seems to be used in the context of reaching beyond its own context. Just like when someone says, "Well, it doesn't matter..." or "Well, you never know..." they do not explain or speculate anything, they just blatantly say that with no further elaboration or rationality - just an appeal to human curiousity which is, quitnessentially, the culprit of this naivity.

If someone can show how the laws of thermodynamics can allow for telekinesis, then I am interested. The idea is that it has to be falsifiable, right? That includes the laws of thermodynamics; so please, dear God, prove them wrong! I am willing to listen and read!

Just because you don't know how to achieve something, and just because there are those that go about "discovering" said things instead of finding facts, learning from those that hold knowledge instead of speculation and doing things right, doesn't mean there is nothing "more".

I have not tried to acheive anything yet. I did one experiment with the candle and I did it with the intent of not using any energy but manipulating air (ie. pushing my hand hard and stopping 2 feet away from my candle; it went out. But I did it with the intent of just moving air forward).

I think it may be possible, but not plausible. Do you see where I am coming from?

Surely you'll agree with this quote?
You must never believe in a credulous way anything that you are told. You must not disbelieve it either, for that would be foolish. The only method to adopt is to accept as a possibility the things that you are told, then to set about finding out the way to prove these things for yourself.

Precisely.

What I am saying is that many people involved in these experiments are completely bias and commiting to a self-fulfilling prophecy or confirmation bias.

Let me show how:
- Guy sits infront of candle
- Waves hands about
- Moves hand towards candle and blows it out
- MAGIC!

- I sit infront of candle
- Move hand forward to move air forward
- Candle goes out
- Not magic, just air, and no bias.

If there can be shown an experiment that is not subject to circular reasoning, then I really do honestly want to read it. Telekinesis would be cool! But I am not going to believe a liar just because I want to believe in it, would you?

LaBerge quoted that within "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" and it goes for all things, not just lucid dreaming and related subjects. No need to be narrow-minded but no need to be naive and think that wishful thinking will bring about results of any kind either.

Exactly!

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Well, I wasn't accusing you of holding the topic in this thread as false. I was merely saying that you shouldn't make sweeping statements. Because "there is nothing "more" out there" is just that -- it's a wide deduction, not "Telekinesis doesn't exist because you are trying to move objects with wishful thinking while the world is constructive and requires processes to achieve anything".

But maybe I'm too attached to words and whatnot being a writer and such. Still, no accusations here, just saying that I generally avoid wide, all-encompassing deductions.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Well, I wasn't accusing you of holding the topic in this thread as false. I was merely saying that you shouldn't make sweeping statements. Because "there is nothing "more" out there" is just that -- it's a wide deduction, not "Telekinesis doesn't exist because you are trying to move objects with wishful thinking while the world is constructive and requires processes to achieve anything".

But maybe I'm too attached to words and whatnot being a writer and such. Still, no accusations here, just saying that I generally avoid wide, all-encompassing deductions.

You are right. I realize the mistake in my rhetoric as I was holding these thoughts in mind and did not express them resulting in an incorrect phrase. I could see why that would anger you, sorry about that.

I do give room for something "more" out there. It is just that I hate it when people say, "there is something 'more' out there" but then that is all they offer as though the mere implication is proof enough to awe you. I like the idea of telekinesis and pyrokinesis, etc. but I think simply implying it or appealing to human curiousity is not enough.

It is like me saying, "Oh come on, try this drug.. you never know what will happen." Can you see the resemblance I am getting to..?

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Possibly you're all right Anyway, it was very interesting to argue about TK with u guys, who are lucid-dreamers and sometimes oobe believers, which things most of people usually find as bullshit. So, untill u want to say anything else, thanks alot for your time.

Ps. I haven't had any 'strong' ld so far, but i still believe and luckily u cant say it's not true

Originally Posted by NoFear

Possibly you're all right Anyway, it was very interesting to argue about TK with u guys, who are lucid-dreamers and sometimes oobe believers, which things most of people usually find as bullshit. So, untill u want to say anything else, thanks alot for your time.

You're right; I have brought up the lucid dream controversy before and it has a very aporetic conclusion. Either way, I still enjoy it, whatever it may be.

I was originally just appealing to the argument for what telekinesis could exist (being the great many things we do not know, etc.). That was all, honestly. It digressed from there.

Anyways, back to telekinesis discussion!

I can tell you that I enjoy using telekinesis in my dreams! Have any of you ever seen the movie Dark City? I feel I have re-enacted some of the scenes numerous times to some great enjoyment to.

As for conscious life telekinesis, I have yet to really see it besides some pretty good magicians and some well done videos on the internet. (Questionable, of course, but fun to watch either way).

Edit:

Ps. I haven't had any 'strong' ld so far, but i still believe and luckily u cant say it's not true

I am glad you have experienced it.

And you're right; I can't prove it false or true, lol. Maybe you'd be interested in looking at the various lucid dreaming controversy threads? Unless, of course, you don't want a headache.

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Originally Posted by Abra

ABRA learns telekinesis through breeding with a male parent that has learned telekinesis and is in the "humanshape" egg group. Telekinesis lowers the accuracy of the opponent by one stage, and is easily outclassed by Double Team (raising evasiveness) because the opponent cannot erase double team's effects by switching out (telekinesis cancels out when your opponent switches pokemon).

lol

I just got this - I love you, lol.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

i can telekensis

Hahaha.

Originally Posted by NoFear

I see, sometimes even i find it impossible, but what would or lives look like without a small amount of uncertainty and curiosity...

It would be boring as f***!!!! Of course i would love to know the answer to everything before i die, because who the hell knows what happens after but living life by things you know would be boring, always knowing the answer, rather then take a chance on what you don't know, and not know the answer or lies ahead. People call that ignorance but i call that wanting to believe in something that you have no idea exists, just your thought. Some people get by on just believing in something that may not be true, they wanna believe in it because they wanna believe it's true even if they die knowing it's not, it's how they lived their life not knowing the unknown, rather then knowing the known.

Here's an online psi experiment. Last time I posted this link, even the skeptics who tried it out were able obtain interesting results the majority of the time. And then it was convieniently forgotten about in the discussion.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/bellcurve/

It's actually a retrokenisis experiment, trying to influence a set of random numbers which have already been predetermined.

You pick left or right and try to move the bar in that direction. There was talk last time that there might be something fishy about the program, that it might make it go in the direction you choose at the start. If anyone suspects that might be the case, then simply choose one direction, and try to make it go in the other direction.

I usually make it deep into the next screen the majority of the time.

It's certainally a misleading experiment, because getting as far up one extreme of a bell curve as I just did suggests such extreme improbability that it would virtually never happen. It went in the opposite direction that I 'wanted' it to go though.