Thread: Has any one actually experienced and verified?

Originally Posted by Barns

Actually people do know for certain. If there is no evidence to show something exists then the default is that it does not.

No, and people who think that way are just ignorant. To think you know the truth when you really have no idea at all and base everything on the stuff you see, or hear about .

What you said is just another way of saying "PROOF! no proof means it's fake", you'd figure people would learn from the past to not rule out anything, they just look like fools. Don't say "we didn't know better" because no science, we don't know better right now with the things we say, yet we are the same exact way we were then as we are now, why? because things don't make sense, and we fill the gaps untill we know for sure the world is round. I mean we will know for sure untill we know the world is flat...yeah, flat. The worlds flat, not round. Don't fall off it, you will get eaten by the Devil and suffer forever in his stomach in the acids in his gut that slowly and always burn you alive, erm dead.

Fact is, nobody knows, not it's fake because nobody knows. Just means we do not know right now, and once we know consciousness, i'm sure we will know, or not know.

Yes, we can make OBE's from scientists on the lobe, but so? the brain knows what's in the room, to really know is to do the unknown, where you cannot know, like a series of tests because 1 time can be a couincidence, but several? nope. Also, how would you tap in from a dream and a fake? you might get a fake and get it wrong because it's a dream OBE, nor a real OBE. Have to be 1 room per test, all different for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

No, and people who think that way are just ignorant.

Sorry but there's no point in talking to you.

If you think that the scientific method is one of ignorance then you're no more intelligent than the Medievals. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by Xei

Sorry but there's no point in talking to you.

If you think that the scientific method is one of ignorance then you're no more intelligent than the Medievals. Congratulations.

Read what i just said, i said if you think because there is no evidence (but hey there is, but people dismiss it) that does not mean it does not exist. But fine if you don't wanna talk to me over something as ignorant as the statement i replied too then goodbye.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Read what i just said, i said if you think because there is no evidence (but hey there is, but people dismiss it) that does not mean it does not exist. But fine if you don't wanna talk to me over something as ignorant as the statement i replied too then goodbye.

Actually that's exactly what the scientific method says, if something shows no evidence of existing then you have no reason to think that it does exist.

There has never been any evidence of anybody sharing the same dream with somebody else therefore we take dream sharing to be impossible, for example.

If there is evidence then link me to it. If not, there's no point in continuing. That's pretty much always how these threads end up in the end, and pretty much always how they die, too.

Obviously you do not exist, you got no evidence you are alive, therefore everything you say and do is false. You said it yourself, no evidence, it does not exist (how close minded that is).

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Basically you just completely failed to actually address what I just said, so we might as well end this discussion. With our current evidence, there is no reason to believe that there is such thing as Dream Sharing. The end.

Is anyone familiar with Oliver Fox's famous shared dream? He was a lucid dreamer before lds had been scientifically proven. He planned to meet a man named Slade and another man in thier lucid dreams at a certain time. That night Oliver Fox and one of the other men met in thier lucid dreams at the agreed time and they both commented to each other that Slade was not there. When they woke they called eachother and found they had both experienced the same dream and that Slade was not there. They found out that Slade had not dreamt that night which explained why he was not there.

I have not experienced a shared dream, but thought this was an interesting event.

If dream sharing is to exist. Is it a natural occurring phenomenon when two minds randomly connect, or must two people lay side by side and induce a WILD with some kind of hope that their brain frequencies will mix?

Me and my friend attempt to WILD every night, and we're both in the same room about a metre away from each other. Perhaps we'll experiment, although it does seem a lil far fetched.

Originally Posted by Xei

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Basically you just completely failed to actually address what I just said, so we might as well end this discussion. With our current evidence, there is no reason to believe that there is such thing as Dream Sharing. The end.

No i didn't, and i was talking OBE, not dream sharing. You fail to understand. The end. KTHXBAI!

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Read what i just said, i said if you think because there is no evidence (but hey there is, but people dismiss it) that does not mean it does not exist. But fine if you don't wanna talk to me over something as ignorant as the statement i replied too then goodbye.

you got that a bit wrong. the thing that is ignorant is saying only one type of evidence is real. for an example im eating peanuts right now but you have nothing to go on but my word and that is a dismisable piece of evidenc. i could get some one else to conferm it but you could say i was tricking you. one way to be sertian with antidote evidence is for you to hear some one else bitching about the mess i made eating peanuts.

of coarse no evidence means it dosen't exist but you have to take into account whether or not its actually been studied and what evidance would arise if it truly in fact true.

sorry for the spelling/auto-correct mistakes

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Obviously you do not exist, you got no evidence you are alive, therefore everything you say and do is false. You said it yourself, no evidence, it does not exist (how close minded that is).

by god you are such a disgrace. let me reiterate my self, you have to asses what kind of evidace would prove such a thing. for the existence of Xei her posts would be acceptable but her' posts would be inappropriate to prove her' sex, race, religion, ext. beyond a shadow of a doubt (unless maybe she said so)

Do you guys know anything or just your own logic? gimmie a break, OBE's have no evidence but me saying a person has no evidence to being alive is faulty. You're just a person on the other side of a computer, and seeing is not believing. You guys go by evidence for everything except our existance, because you can see us it doesn't need any evidence whatsoever, because seeing is believing, right? aslong as you don't believe in something it's automatically 'wrong" untill you deem it "not wrong" but when it's something you deem right anything not making it right is faulty, and laughable. HAHAHAHAHAHA not. I GUESS DC'S ARE REAL PEOPLE TOO!!!! we see them, they must be real, because seeing is believing.

by god you are such a disgrace.

So you disagree with someone so he's a "disgrace", i see how it is. No point in continuing this further with you. I only act sarcastic, not "disgrace", or "idiot", or w/e.

ps- i'm not 1 sided, i see 2 fine but some people need to check what they post. No evidence to THEM does not mean no evidence to everyone else, everyone has their own opinions of what "evidence" really is, i read stories all around the net about OBE's including the big places and when there is evidence for them it's either "couincidence", or "product of the brain" even when on some things it's impossible to be brain related. How can a "brain" show what is happening at the other side of the world, or a rooftop of a hospital, or in a waiting room while the person is dead so they can't hear (yeah yeah some people will say you can still hear people when your clinically dead, others say it's impossible). This topic HAS been researched, and things HAVE happened that cannot happen but i guess my "ignorant" butt doesn't know anything at all and anything they say is just to make them have a reputation, and it's all fake, yada yada yada.

Hello yes i have experienced shared dreaming. At a certain level its no big deal to dream with other dreamers. The same thing happens in daily life anyway, we share dreams and go from dream.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

No i didn't, and i was talking OBE, not dream sharing. You fail to understand. The end. KTHXBAI!

Um yes you did I said post evidence or this thread is redundant. You didn't post evidence, instead you said there wasn't any evidence that I'm alive, which is of course idiotic. But that's besides the point. I don't really want to address what you said in the post above, partly because it doesn't really make any sense, but mainly because it's a pointless tangent.

Basically, exactly the same thing applies to OBEs. Providence evidence for them or be quiet and conclude that there's no such thing as telepathy.

In the case of OBEs there's quite a bit of evidence that they're just hallucinations, actually.

JUST hallucinations? What do you think hallucinations are?

The illusion of hearing or seeing something when no such thing is really present?

I looked that up in the Oxford English dictionary just for you. So uh... what was your point?

If you see or hear something that wasnt there a moment ago why does it have to be an illusion?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, things which suddenly appear are not necessarily illusions... but secondly, since when were we talking about things which 'suddenly appear where there wasn't anything a moment ago', anyway? Certainly OBEs don't do that.

I suppose thats what i think when i think hallucinations. Percieving something strange that wasnt there before, in daily life.
I dont relate the word hallucinations to some successfully intended goal such as having an OBE but thats just me.
OBEs are fairly advanced dreamings.
Dreaming in real time of a real place in this world. At least thats what i tend to think when i think OBE.
There would be several ways to corroborate that you were really there.

Originally Posted by Xei

Um yes you did I said post evidence or this thread is redundant. You didn't post evidence, instead you said there wasn't any evidence that I'm alive, which is of course idiotic. But that's besides the point. I don't really want to address what you said in the post above, partly because it doesn't really make any sense, but mainly because it's a pointless tangent.

Basically, exactly the same thing applies to OBEs. Providence evidence for them or be quiet and conclude that there's no such thing as telepathy.

In the case of OBEs there's quite a bit of evidence that they're just hallucinations, actually.

Um, k.


K i'll agree. It's all brain related, there is nothing after death, we are all POS, we are nothing. I'll deny anything that nobody knows yet as laughable, untill it's proven, evidence or not. LOL!!!!!! no going outside the body, no evidence of things that are impossible to happen in the brain, it's all a couincidence, everything that we cannot explain is a couincidence, because we see, hear, feel things we are real, yep anyone who disagrees is a non smart person. Nothings real, it's all hallucinations except that your real, and i'm real because i see you typing to me.BTW LOL @ people who thought the world was flat, what a bunch of noobs..world is round, and it's proven. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR OBE'S BECAUSE IT'S ALL CREATED IN THE BRAIN, AND ANYTHING THAT SAYS IT'S NOT BRAIN RELATED IS MADE UP! OR A COUINCIDENCE.

I'm not even going to post evidence, you will just use some lame "created by the brain" bullcrap to make it sound all fake, that's already happened to me here....then go on about asking for evidence when we already posted it FFS. Evidence on the net, go look it up yourself, and no i don't mean all OBE's are real, there are dream...screw it i'm tired of saying the same bull crap to you guys all the time, go read my posts to know what i'm talking about, i'm done talking in this thread, peace.

I knew you had mental problems...

Of course I'm not going to believe something if there isn't any evidence, because I'm not a complete moron; and you STILL completely dodged the issue and didn't provide any, congratulations.

I'll post two pieces of scientific knowledge which suggests that OBEs are false.

Firstly is our knowledge of how the brain receives visual information. It's from our EYES. Light falls on our retinas which sends signals to our brains which is processed in the visual cortex.

According to current scientific knowledge, we can only perceive visual information from where our eyes are, unless it is simulated inside the visual cortex itself.

Why the hell would we have evolved eyes if we can see without them? Uhhhhhhh...

Secondly is that experiments have been done on people who frequently report OBEs, I read about this in a book by Susan Blackmore. Basically a code word was hidden from view and that person went to sleep. However, although the person may have been able to see the object where the word had been written and sometimes even saw a word on it in their OBEs, this showed no bearing to what the word was in reality. Therefore the conclusion that has been made is that OBEs take place inside the experiencer's mind alone.

Got any solid records of OBEs where the experiencer actually perceived the outside world?

I have had two or three shared dreams with my cousin that he confirmed. Anything is possible, but It may not seem like it is. Shared dreaming doesn't seem logical but I believe it exists because of my experiences.

There is no such thing as shared dreaming. Why? Because all dreams are a construct of your mind, and if shared dreaming existed, it would be a form of telepathy, which is impossible.

What makes you think telepathy is impossible?

Well to answer for that person, because there isn't any evidence. And also it contradicts our current knowledge of the theory of mind, although that is currently a very new science.

What was it that you confirmed, Sugarglider?