Thread: AP vs LD

What kind of consequence do you mean?

I don't know, I've skimed the Nap Induced Astral Projection (NIAP) Technique and it said: quote "Remember before practicing any Astral Projection technique, to fully understand the dangers of the Planes. You can be seriously injured or even worse if not careful, a fate worse then death for sure. Such things such as Night Stalkers and Succumbi can be a real pain in the neck if your not careful to avoid them."

Ok, I'm going to really try to avoid aving an OBE after reading that.

Unless the dude who typed it was inside or something.

So well, know the differences between AP/LD?

A Lucid Dream is a dream where you know it's a dream, so you can control your own actions in a dream. So knowing that, you know it's different because Astral Projection is when you're outside your physical body (I think).

(?)

I know what a lucid is, i've been having them for a while now, ever since i joined the forum, but they have so much in common with AP... apparently.

According to supposed astral projectors, when you AP you will know it; there will be no question about it.

I also want to mention that OBEs can describe both experiences. I have had OBEs, but no APs. It is merely a strong feeling that you are out of body; something else you cannot mistake for a normal LD. Why they happen or what they are I do not know. APs carry a new age connotation, along with a whole slew of presumptions on a different world. Try to make your LDs more and more real and make your own scientific observations when you finally do have "OBEs".

It is worth mentioning that Laberge did a great analysis of the OBE in ETWOLD. It is worth a read if you are interested.

It depends,
AP journeys may take you into the nether realms, higher existence or to parrallel physical worlds or other regions of this world.

Your view on dreaming has to be with the group that feels dreams are a different reality,and are not subconscious thoughts dealing with the day events. There higher & lower planes.

You may want to read info on the Bardos -Tibetian book of the Dead. Treat a dream like a small death
there are other teachings - we experience and see what ever our beliefs dictates, if one changes their beliefs then ones reality changes.

Here is an example of a personal experience

The concern is that instructions to this experience of dreaming should not be given lightly, and should not be travelled by simple curious fools.

Your Astral body may be damaged energetically when you interact with realities.

Read about it, most teachings say you have 5 bodies - physical, etheric double, astral ......
Check it out.

Originally Posted by squall2002

"Remember before practicing any Astral Projection technique, to fully understand the dangers of the Planes. You can be seriously injured or even worse if not careful, a fate worse then death for sure. Such things such as Night Stalkers and Succumbi can be a real pain in the neck if your not careful to avoid them."

[In a wacky Billy Connolly voice:] How'do they kno'? [End wacky voice.]
I can't see why they would write that... I mean, who came back from the 'fate worse then death' and told them about it?

Now I don't know much (anything at all) about Astral Projection, but it sounds cool. Wether it's actually an act of entering other realms, or if it's just a dream thing, it's cool anyways. But saying that you could suffer 'a fate worse then death if you're not carefull' just sounds a bit too sci-fi book-like.

But don't hang me up on it, I know nothing about it

Originally Posted by Maeni

[In a wacky Billy Connolly voice:] How'do they kno'? [End wacky voice.]
I can't see why they would write that... I mean, who came back from the 'fate worse then death' and told them about it?

Now I don't know much (anything at all) about Astral Projection, but it sounds cool. Wether it's actually an act of entering other realms, or if it's just a dream thing, it's cool anyways. But saying that you could suffer 'a fate worse then death if you're not carefull' just sounds a bit too sci-fi book-like.

But don't hang me up on it, I know nothing about it

That is in my tutorial.

What Succumbi and Incumbi do is suck out your energy through astral sex, and then you end up suffering in the real world.

But the LD vs AP (or other wise called OBE) is easy to explain.

In an LD, you control everything. You can make the clouds turn brown, make the dirt turn pink, and make the oceans turn yellow. In an AP, you only control yourself. You can make illusions that are like in an LD, such as making objects appear and such, but they tend to fade away really fast, or rather "melt" away.

LD you control everything, AP you cant.

But, the dangers of the AP? Just dont be a threat to anyone or anything else, and the dangers already out there wont bother you. Just think if it as a power trip, you do something bad to someone, and another person who is bad wants to show you up by doing something worse to you. So just go into the AP with good intentions, and you will be fine.

And for the record, i made that tutorial when i had just been reading and only experienced maybe 3 or 4 astral projections, so i didnt have as much knowledge as i had now, and i appologize for that. If i could edit, i would lol.

Ah well, if you've explained it then it's all cool.
I think I'll read up on Astral Projection once I get lucid dreaming right

But that line 'fate worse than death' just keeps feeling a bit unrealistic for me...
Something a witch hunter from a book would say... Oh well, I'll shut up, since I still haven't got a clue about what I'm talking about.

Well, death is just that, its death. But suffering, and suffering badly, in my opinion, is worth then dieng. For both you and the people who love you.

AP is simply an O.B.E. (out of body experience) or a W.I.L.D. which you can read about on this site. There is no danger of evil spirits or any of that other nonsense. These types of experiences occur entirely within your own mind and your body is still very much where you "left" it. Some people like to invent fantasy worlds which they find more interesting than the real world, hence calling a dream "astral projection".

Incumbi and succumbi are entirely real, and if you beg to differ i know about half of the DV people who are into OBE and can actually do it will tell you otherwise. Sorry, but to say they arent real, is just plain stupid.

The difference between Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection lies in the status of the individual's spiritual self.

In Astral Projection, your spirit self physically separates from your tonal body allowing your consciousness to experience a higher plane of existance than you normally would in your tonal body.

In a Lucid Dream, the same thing may be accomplished, but your spirit does not necessarily leave your body. It may or may not depending on your intent during the Dreamtime, but with AP, it always separates.

The dangers lie in failing to protect either or both you physical body and/or spirit body while they are separated. While we exist in our tonal form, we are heavily insulated from negative spiritual entities. However, when we shed our physical selves, we leave behind a lot of armor. We are raw and vulnerable.

likewise, in leaving our tonal bodies behind, we leave our ability to consciously protect it. It continues to fully function in the same way it does when we're present, but there's nothing to prevent it from being harmed. Classic, "light's on but no one's home" sort of thing.

In the end, the danger is simliar to running a red light at 3:00 a.m. Chances are nothing will happen. However, there is always the possibility that you could get a ticket, or worse, an accident.

As my mother says, "It's best to know what the rules are before you try to break them."

Originally Posted by C911

Incumbi and succumbi are entirely real, and if you beg to differ i know about half of the DV people who are into OBE and can actually do it will tell you otherwise. Sorry, but to say they arent real, is just plain stupid.

now im not going to feel safe when i have a sex dream........ what if it was an AP and not a LD?

Originally Posted by squall2002

now im not going to feel safe when i have a sex dream........ what if it was an AP and not a LD?

As far as i can understand on that is AP you can only see those 2 f***** up spirits that take your energy, LD, or a normal dream i have yet to hear about that.

BTW what happens if you yell loudly in AP? i guess everything turn towards you and you feel all weird.

talk about the blind leading the blind!

Originally Posted by squall2002

I don't know, I've skimed the Nap Induced Astral Projection (NIAP) Technique and it said: quote "Remember before practicing any Astral Projection technique, to fully understand the dangers of the Planes. You can be seriously injured or even worse if not careful, a fate worse then death for sure. Such things such as Night Stalkers and Succumbi can be a real pain in the neck if your not careful to avoid them."

They just say these things to make it more exighting to you, and lol at the Succumbi .

eh, I know I don't believe in this stuff and shouldn't be here.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

talk about the blind leading the blind!

I'm not blind, i just don't follow AP but i know what it is. I've never AP'd and probably wont but why not learn more just incase.