Thread: The Void/Samadhi

Hello,

there are different levels of samashi. The "void" that you are reffering to is part of Buddhist meditation i think. It isn't the samadhi of yoga. In yoga samadhi the breath and heart stop and the senses retire inwards so that you experience the deep sleep state consciously. The spiritual eye opens and you penetrate it and are "full of light" and "filled with bliss" and you become one with God. You have spherical sight and can see the physical, astral, and causal planes all at once. The thoughts are still to quite a high degree. But the void you are talking about is a type of blank state of the mind - a totally different thing.

The only way to achieve yoga samadhi is through one-pointed concentration. Most people can't do this. The first stage is achieving the state where you can let your thoughts pass by like clouds in the sky without becoming attached to them. THe next stage is using the mind to concentrate one-pointedly like a magnifying glass concentrating the rays of the sun. It probably takes most people years to get there. But it works.

Most people go to their subconscious with meditation and exploring dreams. They get into the hypnagogic state and various similar states, which allows partial intuition to percolate into the mind, OBEs etc. It isn't a bad state, but if you want the superconscious state of samadhi it is best to avoid the subconscious states.

Would you mind trying to describe that place a little more?
I think I might have experienced something similar several years ago, but not through meditation.. It was just there for about 15 minutes after I awoke.
It's really hard to describe for me, even in my native language (in fact the only one who could relate to it was my father, who practiced meditation on a daily basis back then), so I don't know if I'll be able to even explain a fraction of it in English - but that experience has touched me so deeply I can't forget about it and I wish I could learn to reach that "level" again on purpose.
Sorry for the long sentences

Originally Posted by dtrevinofl

INTRODUCTION
It all started here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57461

A few years later, I once again seek this place of inner peace. The last few days I have attempted to quite the mind through meditation and once again reach this place, but to no avail. I have been making progress on quieting my mind though(where as the 1st day I had tons of thoughts, but yesterday I had a lot less and actually felt semi-disconnected from the mind).

Through my research I also discovered that the awakening or rising of the Kundalini plays a part in reaching this realm of peacefulness as well. According to what I read, when the Kundalini reaches in between the 2nd and 3rd chakras, that area is known as The Void. It is here one is able to disassociate with the mind and enter into this realm of peaceful stillness. Also, the natives referred to this place as "the crack in the mountains/universe". Pretty cool.

PURPOSE
So, I will be keeping this post as a journal to document my journey. Initially I plan to meditate twice daily(one in the morning, one at night). However, I will very soon be incorporating basic Hatha yoga in order to cleanse my chakras and allow the kundalini to rise. During my twice daily meditation I will be using the same blue light meditation technique to relax and calm the mind(I will post this meditation technique eventually for those who are curious)

If anyone has any information, or first hand experience of "the void/samadhi/a crack in the universe" please post the experience from start to beginning, or any meditation techniques you used.

Hey, can you tell how you became to start doing these things? How do you mediate? What your doing interests me alot, and I think it would help me archieve many things that I am pursuing. Thanks.

Originally Posted by zyna

Would you mind trying to describe that place a little more?
I think I might have experienced something similar several years ago, but not through meditation.. It was just there for about 15 minutes after I awoke.
It's really hard to describe for me, even in my native language (in fact the only one who could relate to it was my father, who practiced meditation on a daily basis back then), so I don't know if I'll be able to even explain a fraction of it in English - but that experience has touched me so deeply I can't forget about it and I wish I could learn to reach that "level" again on purpose.
Sorry for the long sentences

As I said at the top(it all started here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57461)

A couple years ago when I was actively meditating, I was able to get to a point where once I had run through my meditation techniques(visualizing color filling my entire body/imagining all the tension releasing from each body part foot to head/focusing on breathing) and I was completely relaxed, I could get to this place I speak of in the topic.

Its hard to describe it by mere words...but I'll try my best. If you were to close your eyes right now, you would see darkness created from your eyelid sliding over your eye. However, you can definitely feel that the darkness and your eyelid are close to your actual eye(within millimeters). Well when I reached this peak in meditation, it felt like the same thing, except the darkness expanded in ALL directions, 360 degrees. It felt like I was in a space-like room, surrounded in complete nothingness that stretched on forever. It was so "still" and peaceful. I actually even recall sort "transcending" the sounds in my room that were around me when I reached this amazing place, I didn't even hear them, they did not exist. I was in another location, a black realm of peaceful stillness.

It was only in this meditative peak that I was able to have my first out of body experience, but b/c i was young and scared I did not allow myself to fully leave my body. Anyways, I feel this room is the start of where all higher level and spiritual things begin. It is only in this "state" that I'm able to completely shut off the mind and tap into my inner being and oneness.

Originally Posted by Xyn

Hey, can you tell how you became to start doing these things? How do you mediate? What your doing interests me alot, and I think it would help me archieve many things that I am pursuing. Thanks.

How do I meditate, the technique:
I call this Blue color meditation.
Start by lying down on your back in a comfy position on whatever you sleep on. Keep your arms pointing downwards(palms on the bed) by your sides in whatever ways comfiest hah. Close your eyes. Start by just taking some long deep breaths, in and out of your nose, just to start calming down and get your heartbeat slower.

When you feel ready, start drawing your attention to your feet. If you can, in vision in your minds eye what your feet look like from where you are, even though your eyes are closed, imagine you could look through the closed eyes. You can tell theyre like what, a few feet away from your eyes, a little further down the bed.

When you can see them , bring your awareness and attention to them on your body, feel them, while you see them in your minds eye. Inhale a long slow peaceful breath through the nose, and exhale the same way through the nose, but as you exhale slow imagine all the tension being released from your feet and a blue color filling every part of your feet, so that when your done exhaling they're completely filled with blue light/color. You may have to do it a few times to get them fully filled.

Now do the same thing to the part of the leg that goes from the foot to the knee, inhale, exhale, see the blue coming up from the now blue feet, into the legs, up to the knee. Now when you see yourself from your current point of view but imaging you can see through the closed eyes, you should see that now your feet and lower leg are filled with blue and relaxed.

Now do the upper leg. Then the hip/groin/lower stomach/lower back area. Keep going like that all the way up. Dont forget to do the arms.

You should finally arrived at the neck. Now when you see your body in your minds eye, its all filled with blue everything except the head. Feel it, its nice and it all feels like one and relaxed, except the head. Soon it will go to. Take the head piece by piece, its the hardest. The mouth, chin, jaw, temple, forehead, top of the head, back of the head, break it up into little pieces of blue light filling like that. Eventually you will have filled every part of you with blue, and you feel that. It allows you to feel the oneness, how its not all separate but connected. Now all you have to do is just keep feeling that, see the blue, feel it.

Just keep doing that and when you get to the point where you can quiet your mind and thoughts pass by like clouds(you dont identify with them), you will launch into this place.
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Originally Posted by Scorcho

Hello,

there are different levels of samashi. The "void" that you are reffering to is part of Buddhist meditation i think. It isn't the samadhi of yoga. In yoga samadhi the breath and heart stop and the senses retire inwards so that you experience the deep sleep state consciously. The spiritual eye opens and you penetrate it and are "full of light" and "filled with bliss" and you become one with God. You have spherical sight and can see the physical, astral, and causal planes all at once. The thoughts are still to quite a high degree. But the void you are talking about is a type of blank state of the mind - a totally different thing.

Yea, another posted this:

It's wonderful that you are making such rapid progress.
What you are doing through samadhi is one of the three aspects of spiritual growth the other two are also of course linked to it).
The three are:
1) Silencing the mind (which is what you are doing)
2) Removing all desires (which is what will propel you further)
3) Knowing the essence (which will come when the other two reach their fullness)

Thanks for the discription of Mediation. I've heared of mediation before but I never quite knew exactly of what its about. I will deffiently try it

Originally Posted by zyna

Would you mind trying to describe that place a little more?
I think I might have experienced something similar several years ago, but not through meditation.. It was just there for about 15 minutes after I awoke.
It's really hard to describe for me, even in my native language (in fact the only one who could relate to it was my father, who practiced meditation on a daily basis back then), so I don't know if I'll be able to even explain a fraction of it in English - but that experience has touched me so deeply I can't forget about it and I wish I could learn to reach that "level" again on purpose.
Sorry for the long sentences

Look up Paramahansa Yogananda's teachings.

Thanks for the blue meditation. It is great! I do the 61 point relaxation method popularized by Swami Rama. There is a post about in in my blog on the link in my signature. Basically any technique that brings awareness to your body and relaxes it is great. With your body relaxed an your attention on it, your mins will become relaxed. Also it is important to breath in a smooth rhythmicly slow manner. This all smooths out and relaxes your bio-energy. There are many ways to meditate. I like to put the present moment in the microscope of my awareness and see how small it really is. There is a sensation of it trying to quiver like mercury or escape but that is really my attention wavering. But eventually my attention becomes like a laser and I pin it and enter into it. This is samadhi. Your breathing doesn't have to stop or your heart. We all enter samadhi when we are in delta brainwaves in deep dreamless sleep, but we are not aware. Meditate your brainwaves slower. There is a sensation of the mind turning to face the fourth dimension in the present moment and the winds of eternity blow in your face. A little poetic but that is the only way I can describe the feeling.
Meditation is exstacy. Good luck and great to hear that some people are here appreciating and interested in meditation rather than kicking dream characters' asses!

I'm also very interested in meditation, but why do you meditate? Is to achieve some sort of state of mind, and what state of mind is it? Enlightment? Full awareness? Can you describe that state of mind, and tell me how you're planning to get there? Are you going from 0% enlightment to 100% enlightment in one go or does it go gradually? Do you stay in that state when you stop meditating? What do you hope to achieve in the end? What are the best possible results of meditation? This seems all very unclear to me

When you do a WILD for example, also a form of meditation, its all very simple and clear. You have a goal to reach, you want to enter the dreamworld, and all you need to do is fall asleep while staying conscious. It's very easy to try and do it, but it takes alot practise to succeed. With WILDing you can practise because you know what you are doing, but with 'meditation' you have no goal or direction... theres no description of the purpose or the intent! It's like people who meditate like to keep things obscure... nobody is telling me why they are meditating

Most people go to their subconscious with meditation and exploring dreams. They get into the hypnagogic state and various similar states, which allows partial intuition to percolate into the mind, OBEs etc. It isn't a bad state, but if you want the superconscious state of samadhi it is best to avoid the subconscious states.

And how do you reach that superconscious state? Through meditation? What is that superconscious state for? How does it differ from other states of mind, and how can you use it to your advantage irl?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I'm also very interested in meditation, but why do you meditate? Is to achieve some sort of state of mind, and what state of mind is it? Enlightment? Full awareness? Can you describe that state of mind, and tell me how you're planning to get there? Are you going from 0% enlightment to 100% enlightment in one go or does it go gradually? Do you stay in that state when you stop meditating? What do you hope to achieve in the end? What are the best possible results of meditation? This seems all very unclear to me

When you do a WILD for example, also a form of meditation, its all very simple and clear. You have a goal to reach, you want to enter the dreamworld, and all you need to do is fall asleep while staying conscious. It's very easy to try and do it, but it takes alot practise to succeed. With WILDing you can practise because you know what you are doing, but with 'meditation' you have no goal or direction... theres no description of the purpose or the intent! It's like people who meditate like to keep things obscure... nobody is telling me why they are meditating

And how do you reach that superconscious state? Through meditation? What is that superconscious state for? How does it differ from other states of mind, and how can you use it to your advantage irl?

Meditation is for peace of mind and insight into the divine. Nobody goes from 0% enlightenment (what is that??) to 100% enlightenment. It goes in stages. Full enlightenment means you stay in that state all the time. That is very rare. The end product is realising your oneness with the divine. Meditation has tons of benefits or results. Try a google search on it.

The ability to induce lucid dreaming is not the same as meditation because the amount of concentration involved is less. As i said, the purpose of meditation is realising your oneness with the divine, or the universe or whatever you want to call it. Buddhists call it nirvana. I would say that constitutes a goal. It is a state of unending blissful conscious existence. Sounds pretty good to me! What do you mean nobody is telling you why they are meditating? Do people have some obligation to somehow tell this to you?


I explained what the superconscious state is already. It is the equivalent of being conscious in deep sleep. With WILD's you get to delta perhaps but it is all in the realm of the subconscious. When you get into conscious deep sleep you experience pure intuition, not intuition mixed with subconscious imagery. What is there not to use to your advantage in this?

Ok thanks for the explanation ,that cleared up alot, and I didn't know about that superconscious state, it sounds very interesting, I'll google on that.

I know of the benifits of meditation, I've been very interested in it for a while and kinda practised it for only a few weeks because my attention got to something else, lucid dreaming!.. but I don't really understand the end product, realising your oneness with the divine? If you tell me, and I believe you, doesn't this already make me realize that im one with the divine? Or is here more to it?

I think that if you believe you are "one with the divine" it won't make much difference. You can believe you are a toaster but that doesn't make you one! I'd say that the purpose of meditation is to REALISE, that is KNOW. Don't believe anything until you actually experience it.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

I know what you speak of. You definately experienced leaving bodyspace and opening up to higher spaces. If you mean the void as the Buddhists use the word then no, it is not called the void. The void is everything. Everything is the void. Just like whenyou dream everything in the dream is insubstantial and has no inherent reality, everything is just appearances in the void. What you had is an experience, and all experiences are void. But the experience you had was of leaving body space and entering dreamspace. In other words, you were transfering into the fourth dimension or astral world. Your mind was clear. You had a vision of emptiness. Good work. It is a good sign. But don't get hung up on the visions and experiences. Just keep meditating. Meditate in your lucid dreams. Check out my blog by clicking on the link in my signature. I describe the Nirmanakaya, Samboghakaya, and Dharmakaya. What you experienced is known as a Samboghakaya experience. There are an infinite number of experiences. This one is common and everyone who gets to the point of meditation where you have experiences something like this. But you can call it what you like. Whatever you call it it is just a word. Become familiar with this space and learn how to access it at will.

Great information, thanks.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Thanks for the blue meditation. It is great! I do the 61 point relaxation method popularized by Swami Rama. There is a post about in in my blog on the link in my signature. Basically any technique that brings awareness to your body and relaxes it is great. With your body relaxed an your attention on it, your mins will become relaxed. Also it is important to breath in a smooth rhythmicly slow manner. This all smooths out and relaxes your bio-energy. There are many ways to meditate. I like to put the present moment in the microscope of my awareness and see how small it really is. There is a sensation of it trying to quiver like mercury or escape but that is really my attention wavering. But eventually my attention becomes like a laser and I pin it and enter into it. This is samadhi. Your breathing doesn't have to stop or your heart. We all enter samadhi when we are in delta brainwaves in deep dreamless sleep, but we are not aware. Meditate your brainwaves slower. There is a sensation of the mind turning to face the fourth dimension in the present moment and the winds of eternity blow in your face. A little poetic but that is the only way I can describe the feeling.
Meditation is exstacy. Good luck and great to hear that some people are here appreciating and interested in meditation rather than kicking dream characters' asses!

Dannon, thanks for sharing. You really know how to offer value. I checked out several of your blog posts, man that thing is packed full of lucid dream information. I've been on these forums, but never really made the connection between LD and meditation/samadhi. One of your blogs made the light bulb go off. I now realize that if I were to not only meditate twice daily for 30min-hour, but also meditate in LD's while I sleep 7 hours a night, I truly would reap the benefits of and enlightened being(positivity, all prevailing love, guidance from higher power, healing, on demand disconnection from the body while meditating - for the purpose of getting away from the "hectic" world and achieving the above listed things).

From what I've read, I understand the concept in theory. I don't fully understand the actual how-to when dealing with how one would "meditate" in a LD. I actually have never even "created" or "provoked" a LD intentionally, and I'm assuming I'll have to understand how to do that first, before I figure out the above heh?

PS: I wonder how different the 2 experiences would be? Entering into a crack in the universe(samadhi) while in deep meditation, or while in a LD. Honestly my mind cannot even grasp these 2 concepts and make an assumption, it is completely unknown to me and will remain so unless you or someone else has experienced both.

PPS: About Rama's 30 point technique. I dunno, I've researched many gurus and came to some disappointing realizations. I actually was involved with one teaching for a short period of time(sahaja yoga) before I realized that what had initially looked so promising was 100% manipulation and brainwashing. Rama was also one on my steer clear list(because of what went on with him and his followers). I am uneasy at the idea of practicing partial teachings of these gurus, but at the same time I realize that these meditation techniques/practices have been around forever, and shouldn't nesscarily be related to a gurus "bad reputation".

I like to put the present moment in the microscope of my awareness and see how small it really is. There is a sensation of it trying to quiver like mercury or escape but that is really my attention wavering. But eventually my attention becomes like a laser and I pin it and enter into it.

Could you describe this is more detail, specifically the 1st line. I'm not so sure what you mean in those words

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Ok thanks for the explanation ,that cleared up alot, and I didn't know about that superconscious state, it sounds very interesting, I'll google on that.

I know of the benifits of meditation, I've been very interested in it for a while and kinda practised it for only a few weeks because my attention got to something else, lucid dreaming!.. but I don't really understand the end product, realising your oneness with the divine? If you tell me, and I believe you, doesn't this already make me realize that im one with the divine? Or is here more to it?

There is no other way to KNOW then to expierence it yourself. Also you ask about "the end product".....when it comes to meditation, as soon as you say "this is the end goal, this is where it ends" you've essentially shot yourself in the foot and your ego has snuck in the back door. The whole idea behind meditation is transcending the ego, transcending the goals, transcending the need/want for more or something greater, and JUST BEING. Also, its different for each person. Each person meditates for various reasons, it just all depends what you want out of it. Do you just want to be able to enter the realm of the formless to get away from the world, and recharge? Or do you want to be able to recieve guidance/creativity/knowledge from a higher source that isn't bound by the limitedness of the concious and subconcious.

In the end it really is a thing of contradictions. While meditating you can't be focused on what you want out of the meditation, or else you'll never get to the state of Pressence needed to achieve it(you have to focus on the now, BEING, FEELING). But at the same time, it is good to have an idea what you want out of it, so when you do reach that state, you know what you want to do.

Don't worry about the 61 relazation technique being from Swami Rama. It is an ancient technique based on the meirdians and energy flows of the body. Swami Rama just is the one who shared it with the world. I also don't think Swami Rama was enlightened and I don't know what happened with him and his followers but I imagine it had something to do with sex. I like the technique though, and I know it is very useful. But stick with the blue meditation. It is great also.

ChaybaChayba wrote: I know of the benifits of meditation, I've been very interested in it for a while and kinda practised it for only a few weeks because my attention got to something else, lucid dreaming!.. but I don't really understand the end product, realising your oneness with the divine? If you tell me, and I believe you, doesn't this already make me realize that im one with the divine? Or is here more to it?

Yes there is more to it. It is knowing it like you know it when you are lucid dreaming. It is being 100% conscious or lucid through all states of mind. It is going beyond the mind. It is realizing your immortality. It isn't a belief, it is a realization.

Another point: meditation has no point or no goal. It is like playing guitar. If the goal of playing the guitar was to get to the end of the song then the best gutarists would be the fastest ones. Meditate for the sake of meditation. Once you have a goal in mind then you lose your presence. Meditation is dropping the goal oriented mind. Confused? Just watch your breath come in and out smoothly. This is how the Buddha became enlightened. Really? Such a small difference between me and a Buddha? Yes, just enjoy being aware.

Swami Rama added no laboratory proof of any extended breathless state. From this it is easy to conclude that anybody that talks about samadhi is lying.

The delta state is one of conscious and subconscious thought mixed together so that intuitions can percolate through. THis is hardly samadhi.

Samadhi is defined as the cessation of the fluctuations of the mental life. THis can only happen when concentration is so perfect that it is possible to ignore peripheal thoughts and focus the mind onepointedly on something. But the problem with this construct is that it goes so far as to defining mind in one pointedness but fails to explain the state where there are no thoughts.

Having no thoughts is unconsciousness.

An unconscious person, say in a coma, has no experience but might have dream experiences sometimes. To me, this is hell, and i would gladly exchange that hell for a life of not bothering about trying to get high from dream like states. That is simply just a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Scorcho

and i would gladly exchange that hell for a life of not bothering about trying to get high from dream like states. That is simply just a waste of time.

Are you saying what I expierenced was merely a dream, and that the only benefit was that I got a quick dreamtype "high"? I assure you that is not so. What I expierenced was far more then a dream. Feel free to have your opinion, but know this is "Beyond Dreaming" section, and I rather keep this journal/log free of disbelievers.

Hindu yogis are the ones who say that in samadhi you are not breathing. I am sorry to say this, but the Hindu Yogis all have different contradictory things to say and Many of them are deluded, or con men, and bums. They do magic tricks and say it is a miracle. There are those that hang boulders from their penises to destroy them, "proving" that they don't have sexual thoughts (as if there is anything wrong with that) and how "holy" they are.
I say that the experience of no thought is superconsciousness, not unconsciousness. I know this from meditating every night through my cycles of sleep. Deep dreamsless sleep is delta brain waves, and it isn't samadhi unless you are conscious in it. You cannot get rid of thoughts by effort, only by relaxation. There are many levels. In actuality I would define Samadhi as continually abiding in your true self (which is void and empty). Thoughts pull us away from this. But as our practice developes we can have thoughts without them distracting us. It is like clouds in front of the sun. When the clouds part, you can see the sun. But it is always there.

Look to the Tibetan Buddhist yogis for a reliable, concise, scientific, verifiable teachings on meditation without all the Hindu superstition.

Undoubtedly there are lots of con men gurus etc. That doesn't invalidate what i said about the breathless state. You don't seem to have experienced it yourself so how can you comment on it? It isn't something that happens after a few years of meditation. it is something that happens at advanced levels of several years of deep meditation.

And the delta state is probably approximately close to superconsciousness and no doubt it is "thoughtless". I don't deny that. What i stated in my first post was that the "void" is not samadhi because the former is a mental blank.

If samadhi exists, there should be tests for it. The physiological parameters would be different than an EGG showing delta. Indeed, long time Buddhist monks have not only shown delta etc but also gamma. Just like a person running cannot prove that they are asleep because the physiological characteristics of both states differ markedly, a person claiming to be in samadhi who's eye's blink, who breathes rapidly, and who's mind is restless cannot fool a person who knows this.

That avatar picture of yours looks like Babaji. Is it Babaji? If so, that Babaji of yours is not the one Yogananda talks about. Since Babaji was introduced to the world through Yogananda and ever since then many people have caught on, they have tried to claim access to Babaji and put down Yogananda. That is very suspicious. If these people really knew Babaji they should be able to go into breathless samadhi, let alone have the kind of insight of an Amma, which they don't seem to possess.

There are several stages a person goes through to get to samadhi. After pranayama it is pratyahara (withdrawal of the senses), then samyama. Samyama consists of three steps the first of which is concentration, the second one-pointed uninterrupted concentration for long periods of time, then samadhi. If you claim you can go into samadhi just by relaxing you are fooling yourself. Relaxation is merely the very first step in meditation practice.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Yes there is more to it. It is knowing it like you know it when you are lucid dreaming. It is being 100% conscious or lucid through all states of mind. It is going beyond the mind. It is realizing your immortality. It isn't a belief, it is a realization.

Another point: meditation has no point or no goal. It is like playing guitar. If the goal of playing the guitar was to get to the end of the song then the best gutarists would be the fastest ones. Meditate for the sake of meditation. Once you have a goal in mind then you lose your presence. Meditation is dropping the goal oriented mind. Confused? Just watch your breath come in and out smoothly. This is how the Buddha became enlightened. Really? Such a small difference between me and a Buddha? Yes, just enjoy being aware.

Aha, now I understand it. Just like you can become lucid in dreaming you can become lucid in waking life through meditation! So meditation is they key to training lucidity both in waking and dream life.. Also your analogue with the guitar is brilliant, I think I understand it very well know, I started playing guitar and I see how it practising guitar is similair to practising meditation and creating dreams, because eventho you can create beautiful songs, you control the rules. The guitar would be your entire mind then, or your subconscious or something?

About the 61 point technique, ive come across it in a lot of books, and I find it also one of the best techniques to relax. I use it together with some other technique to let my energy flow. I read this in a book about visual creativity by Shakti Gawain, and it seemed pretty logical, when meditating, or going into a WILD, you first need to do two things.
Grounding. (done through relaxing, I use the 61 point technique)
Flowing. (done through letting go, letting your energy flow, I use the 7 chakra technique)

How do you do it? What techniques do you use? I'm newbie and only recently started to meditate, visualize, and trying to get lucid.. I'd love to hear more from someone whos experienced on this, it's hard to find good information

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

How do you do it? What techniques do you use? I'm newbie and only recently started to meditate, visualize, and trying to get lucid.. I'd love to hear more from someone whos experienced on this, it's hard to find good information

I use the blue meditation that I posted above ^^^ . What it does is get me to the state of mind/being needed to enter meditation. Only after I have gotten completely relaxed, do not identify with my thoughts(pass like clouds), and completely focused on my fully "blue-filled" body will I cross that next step into deep, disconnection of the mind type meditation. This is where you start experience the trippy, crazy sensation type stuff, like where half your body(spirit not physical) is floating away towards the roof while the other half is in a battle of the mind stuck to the bed lol.

The 61 point technique does the same I would imagine, like dannon said, any technique that focuses on bringing awareness to the body/relaxation and breathing is money.

Meditation is really about getting to the same state of mind/being discussed after doing the above. Everything you do after that is just completely letting go. Basically, once you get to that deep state, there is NO MORE DOING, ONLY BEING. Every other "leap" in meditation results from this strengthening of being.


For all who are interested, I really want to incorporate LD into my life. I've made a thread here discussing my deli ma, maybe you can help?
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=58617

Was Christ a Yogi?

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/hby/hby11.htm

Originally Posted by Keiju

Was Christ a Yogi?

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/hby/hby11.htm

Ok now we're getting a little off topic, I'd rather not have this discussion end up about yogi's, you guys are missing the point here!

hm all those techniques you use is a large part of what they do to become a yogi

the article just describes what a yogi is, then you might see those characteristics develope in yourself, i thought the article was a gd read anyway =]

but yes i have not read the entire thread, seemed relevant :p