Thread: Genetic memory.

I don't know about memories...but we do have certain knowledge that is passed down...like for example emotions that colors evoke.

i think this thread belongs to the beyond dreaming section
seeing how there is multiple scientific and religious atributes to it

Originally Posted by silicovolcaniosis

i think this thread belongs to the beyond dreaming section
seeing how there is multiple scientific and religious atributes to it

Beyond Dreaming = DreamViews Trash Bin

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Beyond Dreaming = DreamViews Trash Bin

BURN!!!!!

Finally....some one who shares my thinking. I think we do have some type of genetic memories. I remember watching this tv show about how they were trying to bring back a dinosaur but no luck so they took a chicken egg and did experiments on it, turning off all of its chicken genes and turning on all the dinosaur ones, it was crazy.

Yes, we definately have genetic memories. For example, our primal instincts are genetic memories getting re-encoded into our neural pathways each time we sleep! This is already a scientific fact. So it is possible for memories to get passed through the genes, but the question is, are it only instinct memories or is there more..

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Yes, we definately have genetic memories. For example, our primal instincts are genetic memories getting re-encoded into our neural pathways each time we sleep! This is already a scientific fact. So it is possible for memories to get passed through the genes, but the question is, are it only instinct memories or is there more..

Um...explain? Lol. What does sleep have to do with genes? Instead of "this is already a scientific fact," maybe a link to something might help, or atleast some more indepth conversation about the fact. I wouldn't know what to search for to prove your statement....sleep genes? lol.

Nothing is re-encoded into your neural pathways, as they are not regenerated.
Everything's coded into your genes at the moment your mum's ovum and dad's sperm fuse. Any changes to your genes are a result of bad replication when new cells are made or mutation caused by outside factors such as uv light, chemicals, viruses etc.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

Nothing is re-encoded into your neural pathways

Lol nub. If your claim was true, than human beings would not be able to learn anything at all. When your moms and dads sperm fuse, you don't even have neural pathways yet.. what the hell are you talking about? And no, your genes change all the time. By design. If your genes didn't change, aging wouldn't be possible, and you would stay a lil baby for the rest of your life. Which is completely irrelevant to this topic.

Why do people insist on talking science if they don't know science?

It's like a christian insisting on talking about the Bible, but refusing to read the Bible.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol nub. If your claim was true, than human beings would not be able to learn anything at all. When your moms and dads sperm fuse, you don't even have neural pathways yet.. what the hell are you talking about? And no, your genes change all the time. By design. If your genes didn't change, aging wouldn't be possible, and you would stay a lil baby for the rest of your life. Which is completely irrelevant to this topic.

Why do people insist on talking science if they don't know science?

It's like a christian insisting on talking about the Bible, but refusing to read the Bible.

I love the irony of your statement, let's go into this one a little deeper...

Human beings do not learn things by genes being encoded into neural pathways, because this is impossible. A gene is encoded as a DNA sequence. Memory, on the other hand, is created by the connection of neurons, which are the neural pathways you were referring to.

Did you not read the rest of my post on what causes genes to change?

What i wrote was completely relevant to the post.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Why do people insist on talking science if they don't know science?

I don't know, tell me why you do.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

Human beings do not learn things by genes being encoded into neural pathways

You are born with your instincts. This info comes from your genes. Where else could it come from? Please do explain.

I meant that in a purely semantic way.
Your genes simply carry information, and hence they themselves are not encoded into anything other than blocks of DNA.
It is true though, that your genes determine what your instincts and thus determine your basic neural networks.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

It is true though, that your genes determine what your instincts and thus determine your basic neural networks.

That's exactly what I said. Learn to read.

... Lavie also reports that REM sleep in cats "seems to be training their neural networks in mainly instinctive behaviour" and that "several studies have indicated a possibility that the consolidation of memory traces for at least certain types of learning occurs during REM sleep"...

http://www.solhaam.org/articles/humind.html

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

That's exactly what I said. Learn to read.

http://www.solhaam.org/articles/humind.html

Actually, it's not. I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of semantics.. you may wish to refer to my previous post.

What's your point anyway? I think we completely agree with eachother, right?

You may also notice that when i say "it is true though" i mean "i agree with you". I'm not sure if you understood that either.

Once again, i was simply correcting your description.

Well ok sorry, I just don't understand why you attacked my first statement then.

All good. It was just a little misleading in terms of how you said it.

As for storing actual memories within genetic code, I think that's impossible due to the complexity of memories and the fact that they rely on the activation of a number of areas of your brain. Linking basic emotions to basic stimulus (in the case of instincts) is a fairly simple matter, much the same as regulating breathing as it's a case of linking one single thing to another.

definitely. i think it typically manifests as instincts/emotions. the majority of human/animal behavior is based on instinct. surprisingly some instincts can form in just a few generations. a good example is the wild animals who are born fearful of humans (they recognize us since we stand on two legs) , though some of them we've only hunted for several generations. the animals didn't teach their young to fear humans, it is just some how passed on through genetics.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

As for storing actual memories within genetic code, I think that's impossible due to the complexity of memories and the fact that they rely on the activation of a number of areas of your brain. Linking basic emotions to basic stimulus (in the case of instincts) is a fairly simple matter, much the same as regulating breathing as it's a case of linking one single thing to another.

Instincts are complex memories. I even provided a scientific article supporting my claims, but you still insist to stick with your stubborness. Being closeminded like this is what holds science back.. like in the days people insisted on believing the earth couldn't be round, it was obviously flat! Because they thought it was impossible, due to the fact they would fall off. LOL. Please, I'll take science for your words anytime. Besides, theres no point in closing your mind for possibilites, there is a point in opening your mind for possibilites. But if you claim you know science, and you tell people this and that is impossible, they will believe you... you're spreading misinformation. I on the other hand just say "it might be possible". See the differenec?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

And no, your genes change all the time. By design. If your genes didn't change, aging wouldn't be possible, and you would stay a lil baby for the rest of your life. Which is completely irrelevant to this topic.

There's a difference between growing and ageing.

Growing is determined by your genes. Ageing is caused, among other things, by mutations and errors in DNA replication.

Why do people insist on talking science if they don't know science?

DNA replication is not determined by your genes? DNA are genes. What the hell? Care to explain what you are talking about?

And btw, I prefered NOT to talk science. But people insist on talking science eventho they don't know science, like you did right now. That's what annoys me.