"breaking out" - My latest studies on the mind.

**Creation X** · 06-16-2008 02:22 AM

before I go into stuff, I'd like to state some information. first of all, I'm 14. I'm extremely intelegent, so don't see me as a person with a regular intelegence. Also, I put this topic in the "beyond Dreaming" forum because this stuff is "supernatural" as people like to call it, some might say "impossible". Here's the last thing before I get into this. I believe nothing is impossible. and I am 99% positive that I can prove it to you all sometime around June 20th. (don't ask why)
I have a partner in this little theory, or idea. His name is Andrew Eldridge, I did invite him here, his name is "yellow snow" I believe.
My first study I was talking about earlier in a thread, forgive me whoever was in that post for thinking I hi-jacked it, It's a new lucid technique. I'm not going to say alot about it, except that it has worked for the most part. It has given me lucid experiences 6/7 days of the week.(I did take a break at one time, and just was seeing what would happened, and I only had like 4 lucid dreams). Anyway, I'm NOT going to release it under any circumstances. But here's one hint. Milk. That's it.
Now here's the other study, that will sound "impossible" to people who's minds aren't as open as mine and andrews. This is the "breaking out" theory. The main idea is that when I become induced in a lucid dream, I will "break out" of the dream, and be in the real world(this world) with "lucid powers" as me and andrew call them. The "lucid powers" name is just a goof name to say, and not a serious name. After I break out, I'll have every ability from the lucid dream/regular dream world in real life. I'll tell you now, I'm not going to become a super hero or show off these powers, they are soley for me and andrew, and are going to be used for the new world(I will explain later on). Here's some things that we have discussed about this.
*we aren't going to become super heroes.
*we aren't going to use our powers to show off.
*no one gets the powers but me and andrew.NO one.unless they get them theirselves.
The new world is also known as "paradise" because that's what it is, a paradise. a place where no one ages, no one is outcasted, and everyone has a perfect life.(for the most part). I'm not planning on being a god(for those that believe in god) I'll be a natural person among the other people. I'm not just taking kids, because that would be retarded. I'm taking basically anyone I want, or who wants to go. Anyone who wants to go at this forum, I will be willing to take you, and your family, and your friends. whom ever. now, I'll answer any questions. Here's some things I really liked that people said, and That I've said, that I'm going to share.
"There's always that little bit of doubt, I'm getting rid of it" - me
"There's no such thing as impossible, it's just disbelieve" - me
"Your mind is trying to hold something back..." -Someone on this forum, I forgot.

edit:
I forgot to mention this little bit of information that is really important. I almost broke out once, and I got that feeling as if i was spinning on something really fast.
I felt my eyes opening and then I sunk into my dream,everything went black and I woke up.that was the first thing. the second time I broke out, and lit my hand on fire, as if i was the human torch.this I swear to god I did. I swear on my whole family. then I passed out, I lost all my breath and woke up the next morning.
this wasn't too long ago. also, it seems me and andrew have developed "telekinesis" in a small form.

**Conquer** · 06-16-2008 03:09 AM

You can't even spell the word 'intelligent' and you expect me to believe that you can light yourself on fire "..like the human torch.." you furthermore expect me to believe that it is possible to bend the rules of physics, just because you can do so in a simulated environment (your dreams)..

When you get older you'll realize how foolish this is. Any attempt to 'break out' would be another dream itself, it would simply be changing the surrounding area of your dream, though it may appear to be real.

I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to help you out.

Realize what you're suggesting is impossible, period. No arguments.

What you're doing in dreams is only possible because the dream is projected by your brain. Reality itself is not projected by your brain, only the interpretation of reality is connected to your brain. Therefore, reality itself cannot be altered, the only thing that could be altered is your state of mind.

Thanks for listening.

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 03:35 AM

People can catch on fire for no apparent reason. I think it's called spontaneous human combustion. It most likely has nothing to do with "breaking out", but nobody knows what causes it.

**Conquer** · 06-16-2008 03:37 AM

For the record I was talking about intentional, mental spontaneous combustion. Not about doubting fire itself..

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 03:54 AM

Tibetan monks have been able to raise their body temp. several degrees through meditation and training. There have actually been tests too. The greatest change in tempreture has been in the arms. However, they never caught themselves on fire that way as far as I know. But, your right it's not very credible for one's are to catch on fire like that unless it's a coincidence. Natural gas can accumulate on/in certain objects and eventually catch on fire.

**Conquer** · 06-16-2008 04:10 AM

I love how we just hijacked this thread lol

**TempleGuard** · 06-16-2008 12:40 PM

I dont mind going to paradise. But I think you watch too much "The Matrix", or a movie of that sort. Anyway, if you break out, I would love to see what are your results.

**NaturalLight322** · 06-16-2008 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Conquer

Reality itself is not projected by your brain, only the interpretation of reality is connected to your brain. Therefore, reality itself cannot be altered, the only thing that could be altered is your state of mind.

i can tell you right now that quantum mechanics states that physical reality exists only at the moment of observation and that physical reality could in fact be created by the mind it self.

creation x if you like Tibetan monks you should probably study their teaching on the practice of natural light through dreams and dzogchen traditions.

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 02:27 PM

NaturalLight, are you talking about the Schrödinger's cat theory? (It's a theory that if no one observes an event then all possibilities happened until one observes the outcome. For example if one were to put a cat in a box and put a machine in it with the cat that gives the cat a 50% chance of life or death, then until the observer opens the box, the cat is in a "superposition" of being both alive and dead.)

**NaturalLight322** · 06-16-2008 03:03 PM

your completely right but, it goes alittle deeper than just a Schrodinger's cat theory. What if instead of the cat you put the entire universe in it the box?? the theory is almost proven by the two slit photon test.

**ninja9578** · 06-16-2008 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Creation X

before I go into stuff, I'd like to state some information. first of all, I'm 14.

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 03:26 PM

The cat in the box is only an example. I wasn't saying that it only applies for cats or even boxes. It is really imposible to depend on the accuracy on ones senses anyway without another observer that also cannot prove the accuracy of his/her senses, thus the universe is always in a supper position of an infinite number of states for each infinentaly small point in our multidimentional universe. The number of states is at least infinity^infinity^infinity^infinity^infinity also known as aliph (subscript) 4. Of course thats only if the universe has four dimentions (including time).

**ninja9578** · 06-16-2008 03:49 PM

The universe as we understand it right now as 12 dimensions.

**adam has a dream** · 06-16-2008 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by NaturalLight322

i can tell you right now that quantum mechanics states that physical reality exists only at the moment of observation and that physical reality could in fact be created by the mind it self.

To clarify:
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states that by observing reality you affect it, that's a little different to what you were saying. This effect is only seen on the quantum level though.

Also read here if you're interested.

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 04:20 PM

Well, I was off by an infinite number, and I misspelled aleph. So, the odds of this happening by chance are around n/aleph12 if n=# of infinite points in the hyperspatial volume in the arm for a give duration.

**adam has a dream** · 06-16-2008 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by gagaku

Well, I was off by an infinite number, and I misspelled aleph. So, the odds of this happening by chance are around n/aleph12 if n=# of infinite points in the hyperspatial volume in the arm for a give duration.

Translation:

**gagaku** · 06-16-2008 04:37 PM

Translation: it's not going to happen randomly without any cause at all. It is more likely that he did do it himself. I should add that a natural cause is more likely, but most likely of all: it never happened. but the n/aleph12 thing just has to do with it having no cause at all.

**NaturalLight322** · 06-16-2008 06:05 PM

well we are talking about quantum physics with relation to lding which answers the phenomna of dreaming not be explained to its core anytime in the near future but heres a good acticle on it here.
Alfred wolf also has a good book on this stuff "dreaming universe"

**Maeni** · 06-17-2008 05:32 PM

Cool. Sounds like what is generally my own imagination.

It's cool. If I were you though, I'd become a super hero.

AND create a paradise, then place a huge portal between america and europa, where people would have to sail through, then paradise would be on the other side.

Perhaps more paradises, more worlds.

You're able to do what you want, in the real world, and the only thing you come up with is a rubbish copy of heaven?
Come on, what about implementing some monsters to the world? Ban guns, bring back swords. And bring magic to the world. (Magic should not be confused with minor lucid powers) Tons of possibilities! And wouldn't it be fun to create an entire new element, and sending it to earth, then you could watch the scientists, and see how fast they would find out their properties.

I'm looking forward to 20th June.

kkbai.

**ChaybaChayba** · 06-17-2008 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Creation X

...Anyway, I'm NOT going to release it under any circumstances.

If you're not going to tell us anything, why bother coming on here posting your little story? Bragging on the internet is so useless.. the story was 'interesting', but if you refuse to tell us the most interesting part, how you did it, it's completely useless to share your experience imo.

**Croneus** · 06-17-2008 10:36 PM

hahahah.

*giggle*

**WaterSquirrel** · 06-19-2008 05:37 PM

I think that anyone can see, the first thing to do after successfully breaking out is proving it to other people. Otherwise you might as well live in a lucid dream.

So if this does work: please, don't hide it.

If you can change the world forever, then hell, why not?

**Conquer** · 06-24-2008 11:25 PM

Aww, its past the 20th

**Hukif** · 06-24-2008 11:52 PM

Ah... I think your confusing OBE and AP with real world, Apparently they have the same rules as dreams, so it will be confused with super powers and all that, yet, I won't say bringing dream-world things to normal-world is impossible, but really unlike... nearly 0 lol And it would be harder than that <.< But if you can... take me out of my body!