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I have heard that you can use a LD as a way of experienceing an OBE. Can't remember where I read it, but I am very interested in it. A few years ago I was certain that OBE's existed, now I am not so sure as I think they could be just a LD, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience and tips for changing a LD into an OBE if it is possible.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Jules
My first OBE 5 years ago came about via a lucid dream. Once I was lucid I realised I could have an OBE from this state. As soon as I had that thought, I was in my physical body…but something was very very different. I had turned into liquid and was swaying around. I slowly but surely climbed out of my physical body and went wobbling across the lounge. :)
There is a huge difference between lucid dreaming and OBEs. The difference is in the process. OBEs involve a separation from the physical, usually incorporating a second body. A lucid dream doesn’t.
But don’t ask me to tell you the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection…:rolleyes:
Cham
Thanks, that helps a lot! So you just kinda had the thought and then suddenly you were in your body? Do you think just imagining your physical body would work, or do you think this might just lead to you dreaming you're in your physical body? Cos that's what I'm going to try next time I'm lucid. How many OBEs have you had can I ask?
Thanks for the reply!
The closest I ever came to an OBE was kind of a lucid dream. I rose out of my body and went to the room next door where an ex-girlfriend of mine was awake with her door open as she woke in the morning and I was asleep in the afternoon. I tried my best to get her attention. But, nothing.
I wish I'd looked for something to confirm my experience as real instead. But it was really brief. I don't aim for this again. Its on my "would be nice but impossible to do" list.
Good luck with it.
I have had OBE since I was a child but it always happened by accident. I don't have the slightest idea how to control it.
Well, I think it was an OBE, I don't normally stay anywhere close by, I tend to go to different countries. The only reason I think it's an OBE is because I can feel myself leaving my body. Right before I come back (to my body) and wake up, I get this falling sensation or this pulling/sucking feeling (it's more in my head region) and *bam* I'm back, my body jerks, along with my bed, and I'm awake. :shock:
Good luck. If you figure it out, I'd like to know too.
Hi Jules
Yes, that’s what happened. It was as if I was housed in my physical body, but “I” was no longer physical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules
I would caution against thinking about your physical body when lucid. It tends to have the effect of waking me. I have also heard that requesting an OBE when lucid can take your ‘dream’ body to being situated very close to the physical (i.e. you predominantly find yourself standing by the bedside). This constitutes an OBE, although you haven’t gone through the wacky separation process – which is great fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules
Actually, in the strictest terms a lucid dream is an OBE. If you think about it, in a lucid dream you are in another body (the dream body) and are aware that your physical body is fast asleep tucked up somewhere else. This surely fits under the description of an “out of body experience”.
But most people who are curious about OBEs tend to want to experience the whole separation thing. Quite right too.
Too many to count. I used to log them all, but have long given that up. These days I focus more on lucid dreams and so the OBEs are less common and briefer. For instance, last night I was swaying backwards and forwards, but couldn't be bothered to do anything with it. I just enjoyed a few minutes rocking around and spinning upside down/sideways and so on. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jules
Cham
Hi Jules,
Here is a simple procedure. Fly off the ground and bring yourself in a passive, hovering state. Basically, you want to get rid of the concept of gravitation and just hover in mid-air like a balloon. Now speak to yourself aloud as if you were giving a command to a computer. The main thing is that you want to be very clear about your intention, it should sound almost like a definition. It's not a problem if your understanding is not correct about the dynamics of what's about to happen. You just want to avoid inconsistency and develop trust in the process. You want to be moved in space by a part of yourself that obey you. "Bring me back..." You name the state such as "asleep and paralyzed in my room" then kickstart the process with a sudden sense of urgency like "Now!"
You will be moved in an erratic way, like a leaf in wind. If you are about to thrown through a wall just look away. I usually focus on my palm which gives me a self absorbed, detached position so the transporting force can do its thing without any interference from my part. After about 10-30 seconds of flight you will be likely pressurized down on the ground somewhere, slowly matching up with the position of your sleeping body. This is often the spot where you entered this dream layer. The more similar or close this place to the room your physical body sleeps in the more OBE like your dream was at the first place. Your vision gets immobilized and you will see the same hypnagogics that accompanied your entry.
You will lose your sight at this point. If it comes back quickly and on its own before separation that's a very good sign. You can lose up in your subtle body by refocusing your body awareness at the top of your head. You want another portion of your consciousness remain centered in the middle of your body, somewhere around the solar plexus but don't sweat about it too much. It's important to try and separate without moving your body, like levitating upward. If you use your arms or legs to pull or propel yourself you create subjective layers of perception. The objectiveness and the length of your OBE will depend on many factors, type of sleep, command used, energetic profile, separation technique, clarity of mind, expectations.
Thanks for your replies people, Transflux that is certainly interesting and has given me a lot to think about and try!
Hey Jules:
I had an OBE about three years ago. I was in a normal dream and then snap! It was like someone was getting my attention. My dream dissolved and then I started lifting out of my dream body, seperating into another body in a seperate dream. I actually felt this buzzing sensation all over my physical body while this happened...it was quite an experience...
Needless to say, I met two people in the dream who had some sort of message for me that I have forgotten. It was a deceased Pope (this is before Pope John Paul had passed) and he was with this violet robed figure with dark facial hair and fierce eyes.
This is how I discovered this spirit called 'St. Germain'. I found out it was him by stumbling onto some Metaphysical website. I still don't really know why I saw him or if I even believe he is a good fellow despite his teachings. :\
But that is the only OBE I've had.
Wow DreamLily, that is some experience! I would love to have something like that happen. I guess you probably had that experience so you could learn something (a pity you've forgotten the message now!) Anyway thanks for sharing, it was certainly interesting!
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Originally Posted by DreamLily
I summoned a dream guide once and asked him to help me..(my goal was to OBE).. and it worked. The dream started with me floating just in blackness.. I was lucid so I called out for a guide(that was my main goal.. I wanted to summon an angel using a sigil and vibrating the name in a lucid dream) anyway I felt someone squeezing my wrist.. so I asked to see them and found myself in my bathroom looking in the mirror at myself who was another(which was kinda scary). Anyway I asked him to help me(and I only thought about the OBE which was my second goal).. and then I found myself spinning above my body in my room. I couldnt control my flying very well though and at first I was just spinning out of control. Then I flew almost sideways through the wall and landed on my back lawn. It really felt like an OBE because I could see that dawn was breaking, so the timing was right. And I had had heaps of lucid dreams by that stage and it just felt different.
So I think it was an OBE, it all happened so fast.. I just called for a guide, and soon as I asked him it worked instantly.
haha i've had that a couple of times i love that swayin feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chameleon
I didnt read anyone elses threads, im too lazy.
But, the method i use is to stand straight up and fall backwards in a lucid dream. Close your eyes and let yourself fall. You wont hit the ground, instead you will just free fall. From here push really hard. The falling sensation pushes the OBE vibrations out and you will appear in the real world. Then roll yourself out of the OBE.
Alot of people say "Ld is obe as obe is to ld, same thing". Its not true. Alot of peoples experiences however are LD's, they just pass them off as a OBE.
It has to meet this criteria to be a OBE:
- Must have 360 sight (unless trained to loose that feature)
- Must be the most vivid thing ever, you will think you are awake, even though you kinda are.
- You must go through proper energy work.
If you dont, its not a OBE, unless you get really lucky and get a spontaneous OBE, but you will still have the first two.
Wow some great replies! Kazahel that sounds like a brilliant experience, thanks for sharing! It's a good idea as well asking a dream guide for one, I think I'm gonna try that!Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
C911 that is a good method too, but when you say "push really hard", what exactly do you mean? You're falling right, so you mean to push down like to make you fall faster, is that right?
I started doing energy work when I was reading "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce but unfortunately never finished it off, I might go read it again. Thanks for the criteria, it's definitely helped.