Thread: Dream Sharing/dream Telepathy

It's coincidence, or can be explained. Of course it happens with someone you have a connection with. Chances are, if my sister and I are together all day, doing the same things, then our dreams may have a common theme. ("OMG! You dreamed about getting all 120 stars in Mario too? NO WAI!")

People make things out to be more than they are. Take cropcircles. They didn't really happen until the 70's, when some dudes thought it'd be cool. They get publicity, and it is dubbed a phenomenon. Soon, more dudes compete to create the most pristine and complex structures. They get even more publicity. And of course, there's no way a person could do it all in one night, so they assume it's aliens/God.

Now take dream sharing. Obviously, there's no way that two people who spend so much time with each other could ever have a similar dream with each other without it being a divine sharing of consciousness, right? I roll my eyes at dream sharing. The accounts we see are smudged. You can direct a person's thoughts quite easily if you try. Often times they aren't even aware that they are being directed. While good for making people believe in magic, this is horrible for making any good proof or science of it.

I tell you what. Get two dream sharing people, and partition them so that they cannot talk, see, or hear each other during sleep. Have them write down the dreams separately, and then compare. Chances are they'll have similarities. But any dream has similarities to any other dream, if you look at it right. And the dreams of people that spend time together will be similar, too. But that doesn't mean the dream is shared: it means there are two separate people experiencing two separate dreams that have similarities.

If you allow the dream sharers to interact when they record their dreams, they will focus only on the similarities in the dreams, and that is all they will report. Talk about swayed evidence, eh?

You could also conduct an experiment with message passing. Try to tell the person a phrase during the 'shared' dream. If they know what the message was, then you've proved shared dreaming! To ensure it's fair, the message shouldn't be chosen by the sender, but by a random word generator. The sender will read and memorize the message before sleep, but will not be able to interact with the receiver after this point (lest they let it slip subliminally). The receiver will not come in contact with the sender until they record their 'shared' dream and phrase.

lol, i agree with you to a point but only so far abra, because i have had three shared dreams.they were all with different people too.one was with my little brother,the second was with a group of four people(my closest friends in middle school),and the third was with a guy in school with which i share some of the same ideas and moral codes.they exist and it is possible to have the same exact dream with some one else.however,all of my shared dreams were non-lucid and i know of no-one who can willingly just say 'oh! i think i will share my brother's or my friend's dream to-night!' .they are possible i just don't think they are controllable.

I think I have had dream telepathy or..dream empathy?

my friend likes to role play online. she was role playing with another friend. I don't text role play, so I never knew what the story was about. or who the characters were and so on.

one night I had a crazy dream. it was very surreal and abstract. but I told my friend about the characters in my dream. and the crazy things they did, that had me stumped while dreaming. the funny thing was, the characters seemed to parallel the role play story.

it was like I dreamed about the role play game she had been apart of for many months, though the entire time, I never knew about it

the other two experiences were about two other friends. both dreams were about them breaking up with a boyfriend. I didn't know at the time that they did in fact break up. so I couldn't tell you if I dreamed about it ahead of time, or if I dreamed about while it was happening.

either way, I sometimes feel like the emotions and thoughts of my friends (unknown to me) finds itself in my dreams. as if, some how, while dreaming I can connect with them on a different level. but its never a lucid dream. or something I try to control.

thanks for the responses all!

Juroara and Ray: do you think you could share specifically what the dreams were about and what made them shared or telepathic?

sure.
a group of three friends and i had the same exact dream.(i know i said four above,i was including myself)we were all warriors and we were fighting these deamons who had escaped from hell.we each had different weapons and fighting tactics but we made a team and it was our duty to destroy these deamons.i had an axe and old viking armour.L. had a bow and elven armour.M.had a sword and knight armour.J. also had a sword also but had samuri armour instead.we all fought the deamons and slowly one by one we died in our battle.J. died first by being ripped in half.L. died second being decapitated.M. died third by her own sword being stabbed into her chest.i remember watching her fall and realizing i was now alone. i was infuriated and determined that these deamons were not going to win.i berserked and flew at the deamon.we had an epic battle but i fell too,to lie next to my dead comrades.i remember sobbing and yelling at the deamon that even though i was dying my friends would be avenged.(it was more of a nightmare and not a typical dream a bunch of thirteen year old girls to have.) i remember coming into school and seeing M. all silent and thoughtful.i asked what was wrong and her just looking at me weird.J. and L. came in and sat down on either side of us.L. being the most outgoing>so did you win? we all looked at her wondering what the hell she was talking about.M. said no finally and i remember J. just staring at them.L. finally told us that she was talking about a dream she had last night about attacking deamons with us.she told me i had an axe. we all started talking at once then and i remember J. asking if she had a sword.it was kind of unreal. i don't remember ever talking about it again after that day.

Originally Posted by ray

sure.
a group of three friends and i had the same exact dream.(i know i said four above,i was including myself)we were all warriors and we were fighting these deamons who had escaped from hell.we each had different weapons and fighting tactics but we made a team and it was our duty to destroy these deamons.i had an axe and old viking armour.L. had a bow and elven armour.M.had a sword and knight armour.J. also had a sword also but had samuri armour instead.we all fought the deamons and slowly one by one we died in our battle.J. died first by being ripped in half.L. died second being decapitated.M. died third by her own sword being stabbed into her chest.i remember watching her fall and realizing i was now alone. i was infuriated and determined that these deamons were not going to win.i berserked and flew at the deamon.we had an epic battle but i fell too,to lie next to my dead comrades.i remember sobbing and yelling at the deamon that even though i was dying my friends would be avenged.(it was more of a nightmare and not a typical dream a bunch of thirteen year old girls to have.) i remember coming into school and seeing M. all silent and thoughtful.i asked what was wrong and her just looking at me weird.J. and L. came in and sat down on either side of us.L. being the most outgoing>so did you win? we all looked at her wondering what the hell she was talking about.M. said no finally and i remember J. just staring at them.L. finally told us that she was talking about a dream she had last night about attacking deamons with us.she told me i had an axe. we all started talking at once then and i remember J. asking if she had a sword.it was kind of unreal. i don't remember ever talking about it again after that day.

wow, that would be unreal.
All of you remembered the same basic dream?

that sounds like the sort of dream you get from playing role playing games or seeing a fantasy-type show or movie, or reading that kind of book... Am I right?

yeah, but i don't remember doing any of those type of things with them.it was really weird...

Originally Posted by ray

yeah, but i don't remember doing any of those type of things with them.it was really weird...

that whole thing you said is VERY weird. Certainly intriguing.

Originally Posted by jamous

I'm not sure what the terms I'm looking for here are, but I want to know more about the reality of the connection that exists between separate dreamers (dream sharing, theme-sharing between dreamers, in other words the crossing or blurring of 2 or more separate dreaming minds).

Is it possible? Does it exist? Does anybody know why it happens?

Jamous

I'm going to be extremely bold here. No, I have never had a shared lucid dream. Is it possible to have a shared lucid dream? Absolutely, yes. Why? How about: Why not? How is it done? - 1. First yourself and your dreaming partner/s must believe it is possible. 2. Together you decide on a place to meet that is very familiar for everyone in the group. I would suggest a real place that you have all spent some time at. Or a designed place that you have many detailed drawings of. The former may prove to be more powerful. It would be useful to have a door in the vacinity which you can all use as a gateway for the shared dream - One person decides where the group is going by creating an idea of what is behind the door. The others follow open minded to the lead dreamer's dreaming will. 3. Before you all actually go to sleep, a ritual will enhance the intentions, so make something up. Share a special tea together, read something dream related, beat a drum, hold hands, ....really anything to establish the connection between the dreamers. There is something going on that is beyond the scope of science here (not appologizing to anyone who thinks otherwise). This stuff that appears to be magic is actually truely establishing a spiritual connection and intent. Intent, in fact, is the thing that allows you to do things in lucid dreams. If you're stuck, you simply intend to move forward...no fuss. You can even intend to walk through a door and have something on the other side...the intention goes hand in hand with the belief that it will indeed manifest, though you may still be surprised when it happens,....after a while you'll realize that it is just the way of things.
One valid question that may be asked here is : Do all the dreamers participating need to go to sleep at the same time? The answer to this question is not so simple. Remember, we are in the world of intent and beliefs that manifest. The only reason time is of importance is because enough of us indeed believe that it truely is. So, just focus on the intent of the ritual and the mission to meet your friends at the chosen location. If you are a natural, this should be no problem. Belief is a prerequisite...not just in dreaming.
Those who have lucid dreams by "chance" should really evaluate the circumstances surrounding how they "went to sleep" that night. If you don't give up your consciousness it will indeed follow into your dream time.....you did this, it's not by chance. On the case of a WILD, its the same story. If it is such that you didn't "mean to" enter into lucidity than is it that you meant to disappear? Where do you go anyway?

I tell you what. Get two dream sharing people, and partition them so that they cannot talk, see, or hear each other during sleep. Have them write down the dreams separately, and then compare. Chances are they'll have similarities. But any dream has similarities to any other dream, if you look at it right. And the dreams of people that spend time together will be similar, too. But that doesn't mean the dream is shared: it means there are two separate people experiencing two separate dreams that have similarities.


Last night my husband and I were sleeping in separate bedrooms, because I had hurt my back and needed to sleep alone for a few days. The rooms are at opposite ends of the house. About 3am I had a bad dream that there was someone or something malicious outside that wanted in the house. It was so disturbing that I got up and locked the french doors.

This morning my husband told me that he had a bad dream that someone was standing outside the bedroom window and was looking into the house at aobut the same time.

Maybe there was something outside that we both heard in our sleeping state? There are a lot of animals and critters that can come around our house at night , like mountain lions, racoons etc. But we both had a feeling of malice and evil. Woooaah. Creepy

We often have similar dreams. Not exactly the same dream, but with similar elements. A car that is certain colors. Locations like being on cliffs or in the ocean. But this was the first time we did it in separate rooms.

My fiance and I have been trying several methods to evoke this unique experience. So far to no success. I usually end up not remembering alot of my dreams so I may have connected and just missed out XD. About the closest I think we have had is I once woke up feeling startled(which is odd cause I normally sleep like the dead), and not a few moments later she cryed out that she needed sugar(her being diabetic) and her blood sugar had dropped into the low 50's
Was kinda like I somehow knew she was in trouble without knowing it.

My first LD, the thing that got me on this road was induced by another, a soul far greater than myself. Something I considered after the event which I think will interest people here; what is a common feature of most all mystical literature? The student sees the master in a dream, and the master tells them something important. Instead of this being a coincidence what if the master knows exactly what he or she is doing?
If this concept can be accepted for a moment then it is a far better way of teaching something, without the barrier of time, space, possibility, or even language.
Go one step farther and consider a Hagiographies when the aspiring saint or mystic has to enter the castle of fire and fight this creature and that creature and only does it by doing this particular prayer ext. (there are millions of varieties). If an LD could be set up by another, as an instructive teaching exercise the possibilities are amazing. It also could explain a kind of hole in the literature concerning the question of weather these saint stories are suppossed to be true or not. A they suppossed to be literal, is it some kind of great miracle that happened or were they possibly the recollection of an engineered LD?

Just a thought

I like your thinking. I'm sure this is also possible....in fact, if you want to read more about engineered LDs you can read about some in Carlos Castenada's, The Art of Dreaming . I would imagine the pupil would have to be somewhat receptive to it though....who knows. I like this idea of finding our dreaming guides, however....like I mentioned, I've heard of 2 kinds of dreaming guides.....one is much like a spirit guide, same thing I suppose, you just get to interact with them in a special way via LDs. The other, is the dreaming emmisary,....which again, is from the inorganic beings world, knows everything about dreaming, never lies, and wants to trick you into staying in the inorganic being world forever.....that's out there huh? Could just be a nice adventure story, ...stilll, I think I heard it once. So, my primary dreaming goals are to 1. Find my dreaming guide (spirit) and 2. Speak w/ the emmisary on dreaming techniques. Let the dreaming begin.

Originally Posted by eyesofthemirror

I like your thinking. I'm sure this is also possible....in fact, if you want to read more about engineered LDs you can read about some in Carlos Castenada's, The Art of Dreaming . I would imagine the pupil would have to be somewhat receptive to it though....who knows. I like this idea of finding our dreaming guides, however....like I mentioned, I've heard of 2 kinds of dreaming guides.....one is much like a spirit guide, same thing I suppose, you just get to interact with them in a special way via LDs. The other, is the dreaming emmisary,....which again, is from the inorganic beings world, knows everything about dreaming, never lies, and wants to trick you into staying in the inorganic being world forever.....that's out there huh? Could just be a nice adventure story, ...stilll, I think I heard it once. So, my primary dreaming goals are to 1. Find my dreaming guide (spirit) and 2. Speak w/ the emmisary on dreaming techniques. Let the dreaming begin.

you know.. after about the 6th castaneda book I read, I decided it was mostly all bogus, particularly that book. But it might all be real. I'm gonna have to read the art of dreaming again, start having lucid dreams again, and start discovering whether or not this shits for real!

(btw, if you hadn't noticed, Carlos Castaneda was my icon before I changed it yesterday. I owe my discovery of lucid dreaming to him)

That's the spirit

Carlos Castenada has helped me have some really amazing experiences. Everytime i read one of those books my reality seems to change and strange things seem to become the norm. i think there's a lot in them if you take what is relevant to your life experiences at the time. If the other stuff is a bit crazy, don't think about it so much and then maybe later when you read it, it will make more sense.

about connection in dreaming, its something i'm really interested in at the moment as i'm having reoccuring dreams of a certain friend of mine. i think we are all connected, like this big energy pool. I think we're connected all the time but it's much more evident when we're dreaming because we're not in this body that kind of dominates our more subtle senses. But then i think most of the time it can be like a big energy cocktail of emotions and thoughts and images and that's why dreams are so crazy. I don't really know, but that's the image that springs to mind at the moment.

Yeah I love the books of Carlos Castaneda too.. they are amazing... Imo a must read for anyone! He talks about psychedelics and lucid dreaming which are imo the best tools to discover and change yourself, but especially the life philosophy in the books are astonishing. I'm into philosophy, but the things I read in there I never read before and they changed my life. I've only read the first three books, but out of all the books I read these are by far my favorite. Very very interesting information and a very nice story too! The books aren't only informative, but also very entertaining to read. This guy is awesome ^^

Nice way of putting it someweirdsin, I also believe in dreamsharing/dreamtelepathy, and I think about it the same way you do. It's like we're all sharing the same energy pool and we're all connected...

Originally Posted by someweirdsin

Everytime i read one of those books my reality seems to change and strange things seem to become the norm.

I know exactly what you mean. Sounds gay, but those are truly magical books in a way.

I like your energy cocktail analogy. It wouldn't make sense for dreamsharing to be like two people having the same exact dream on the surface. Two people might share a dream that looks completely different to each of them, but the "points" on the "lines" might be the same, and therefore affectable by the other dreamer. I dunno if what I'm saying makes any sense but I hope it does.

[QUOTE=ChaybaChayba;863979]Yeah I love the books of Carlos Castaneda too.. they are amazing... Imo a must read for anyone! He talks about psychedelics and lucid dreaming which are imo the best tools to discover and change yourself, but especially the life philosophy in the books are astonishing. I'm into philosophy, but the things I read in there I never read before and they changed my life. I've only read the first three books, but out of all the books I read these are by far my favorite. Very very interesting information and a very nice story too! The books aren't only informative, but also very entertaining to read. This guy is awesome ^^
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I am 18, and I was I think 15 when I started reading castaneda. If it wasn't for his books, not only wouldn't I have discovered lucid dreaming, but I wouldn't have even discovered the wonders of philosophical literature, which is now a HUGE part of my life. His books completely changed my life, and for awhile seriously changed my view of reality.

But damn, now I'm going to have to read them again.

Originally Posted by someweirdsin

...i think there's a lot in them if you take what is relevant to your life experiences at the time. If the other stuff is a bit crazy, don't think about it so much and then maybe later when you read it, it will make more sense.

about connection in dreaming, its something i'm really interested in at the moment as i'm having reoccuring dreams of a certain friend of mine. i think we are all connected, like this big energy pool. I think we're connected all the time but it's much more evident when we're dreaming because we're not in this body that kind of dominates our more subtle senses. But then i think most of the time it can be like a big energy cocktail of emotions and thoughts and images and that's why dreams are so crazy. I don't really know, but that's the image that springs to mind at the moment.

I have some thoughts on that "energy cocktail of emotions" (nice expression). I have many dreams where strong emotions are triggered. I notice how they bring me away from awareness.....far from lucidity. Notice the parallel in waking life.....zen monks meditate to stay in the moment and keep their minds from running and emotions taking control. It is a practice of mindfulness. I think I'm having emotional dreams to let me know where I am weak....where I get triggered and sucked into emotion, far from consciousness...far from seeing myself and being able to do something like a Reality Check. I'm glad this topic came up. So...on all ends - "stalking" ourselves (Casteneda term) will enhance our abilities to both lucid dream, as well as remain calm and accepting of circumstances with which we cannot change....in this way it can help us overcome our fear, hate, anger, lust, addiction, etc that is blocking our conscious mind.....subconscious must merge w/ conscious mind for lucid dream....that means we must give equal energy to both. Conscious mind must merge with subconcious mind in waking life in order to gain a certain level of ESP and intuition.

Has anyone heard of the White Lodge? I never gave the idea much thought until I heard some Tibetan monks talking about it. They too believe in a great library that can be visited, but theirs are all made up of golden scrolls instead of books like we think of them. The idea that there are places in the dreaming, independent of the dreamer. I wonder how to get a library card?...

Originally Posted by wyldfire111

Has anyone heard of the White Lodge? I never gave the idea much thought until I heard some Tibetan monks talking about it. They too believe in a great library that can be visited, but theirs are all made up of golden scrolls instead of books like we think of them. The idea that there are places in the dreaming, independent of the dreamer. I wonder how to get a library card?...

it would be amazing if there were dream places independent of the dreamer, but I seriously doubt it, you know?

I've never heard of the white lodge but it sounds really interesting. i haven't read much on tibetan dream yoga at all actually which i think i really should. I recently read "Last Seen in Lhasa" which spoke about hidden places in tibet that would only reveal themselves at certain times to certain people and they held secret lessons. it kinda renewed a feeling of magic in the world for me.

But yeah, if you get hold of a spare membership card, pls throw one this way. Been a while since i had a good read

I've read about shared dreams on this forum before, but I've remained sceptical about it. Not too long ago, I had a lucid dream where I tried to reach someone by calling them. Unfortunately I didn't know where to go from there, and felt my dream de-stabilize like whenever I put too much effort into something - I quickly gave up from there and tried to do other things.

Some of the stories I've read in this thread make me want to try to contact at least one of my friends again - or anyone who could prove to me it happened - the next time I become lucid. Sometimes in lucid dreams I feel so powerful I can do anything... most other times I lose confidence too quickly doing the simplest things...