Thread: Karen659 - OOB experiences

Grounding the Energy

It has been a very emotional and stressful few months here for me, with many ongoing family issues, personal issues, and work/school related issues. Suffice to say, I have been so focused on taking care of others, that I neglected ME!

A few months ago I noticed I was having a ‘buzzing’ in my right ear intermittently, almost a ‘blowing’ sound that, although quite annoying , did not distress me too much. As the weeks passed, it became louder and more frequent.

Then late last August I had a distressful experience where the ‘blowing’ sound became intensely loud, and I was suddenly overcome with vertigo and dizziness – along with nausea – that I couldn’t even stand. Everything was spinning out of control, and I was totally incapacitated!

This episode luckily happened while at work in a medical center and I was treated immediately, which consisted of rest and anti-vertigo medication. There was nothing visually out of order in my ear.

I was happy because the ‘blowing’ noise abated, but it was short-lived. A few days later it returned, and after another few days, another vertigo/dizzy episode occurred. Long story short, after seeing a doctor and tests, I was diagnosed with Meniere’s syndrome and told there wasn’t much to do except ‘live with it’ and make some lifestyle dietary changes (low salt, diuretics, etc) to keep it from happening too frequently.

Despite my best efforts, the episodes continued on an infrequent basis, and I saw another doctor for a second opinion. He also confirmed the same diagnosis and treatment. This did not sit well with me. I just ‘felt’ this was not right and I needed to do more research to see what it could be.

In speaking with a friend who is well versed in energy through years of Qigong teaching, I was intrigued by his questioning as to whether the vertigo episodes happened while busy throughout the day, or more when quietly sitting/resting. For me, it would always be while I was quiet, and sometimes even waking me at 3am while sleeping! (My usual OOBE time!)

He explained that this vertigo while ‘quiet’ is commonly due to insufficient ‘grounding’ of energy, and living too much ‘in the mind’, as I have been with the OOBEs, graduate school work, and meditative practices. He gave me grounding exercises to try, such as visualizations of ‘roots’ growing down from my balanced feet and my extended arms with hands facing down. Immediately I could feel the ‘tingling’ of my palms as the energy passed through, and would do this a few times during the day or night whenever I felt even the slightest vertigo.

Over the course of only one week, my ‘blowing’ noise in my ear abated, and the vertigo stopped! The tingling in my palms actually became less as more energy became grounded.

I was concerned that this ‘grounding’ may inhibit my OOBEs, which is quite possible as I have not had one that is even close to what I used to do for over a month! I was concerned, but also knew that I never wanted to experience those dizzy spells again!!

I have since learned to ‘balance’ my life a bit better now, giving some time to physical outlets for this grounding energy, as well as lighten my ‘mental’ activities by not aggressively pursuing OOBEs for a short while. I know when I am ready, they shall return. (Hopefully soon!) I finish grad school in May and my ‘mental’ work with that will be significantly less as well.

I asked my friend to give a little background as to what happened to me, and to share any insight he has on this unbalanced energy phenomena. I am sure there are many people out there who are experiencing physical manifestations of disease and illness that could be ‘cured’ by seeking a better ‘balance’ within their lives. Here’s what he said:


Sometimes we need to look at the body holistically, not just treating ear symptoms by treating the ear, but by picturing the entire body as a balanced system which has gone out of kilter. This is much the view taken in Chinese medicine, where western medicine focuses heavily upon localizing a particular organ and feeding it a fix, I believe! Neither system is always right, or wrong IMO; these are both extreme viewpoints. The answer is often to be found in the region between these extremes.

Question: How did you learn that dizziness when 'quiet' usually meant energy disturbance, and dizziness when 'busy' is inner ear imbalance?

Because this was my own post Kundalinin experience....and, it makes sense....when BUSY, we usually `ground' our focus in physicality. For example, if we are practicing tap dancing, we focus strongly on our feet; the attention is on "MY feet", the word MY implying attention IN the body.....and, remember, where the attention goes, the chi flows, so tap dancing will really sink the chi.

It is through learning the ability to consciously direct the chi in this way, that we allow many hours of intellectual/spiritual/OBE/especially Hemisynch/meditative type pursuits to be balanced with good physical presence. Without the grounding, poor health will eventually result, and also an inability to utilize learned spiritual knowledge in everyday physical life.

If we are sitting quietly, our attention is probably more of the form "I think...", "I feel.." - here the attention is on `I'.......in the MIND, NOT in the body. Hence, the energy rises to the head.

It is SIMPLY a matter of living a balanced life, i.e. balancing mental/spiritual activities with `body based' physical activities, like exercise.

(1) A person who spends nearly all of their time thinking and very little of their time `doing' is neglecting their body, to its detriment. Their energy distribution will be such that most of their energy is in their head.

(2) Similarly, a person who spends nearly all of their time `doing' and very little of their time thinking, is neglecting their mind, to its detriment. Their energy distribution will be such that most of their energy is in their body.

We are a mind and a body - it's a duality, like everything in life. Both need to work in harmony. Any deviation from this state eventually results in problems.

For a comfortable existence, we need to avoid extremes and inhabit the area in between.

If we become unbalanced, we need to take corrective action. If the problem is case (1) above, we can remedy it by increasing our body based activity, or by using `energetic' methods of grounding, to redistribute some of the energy down into the body.

For case (2), poor health will seldom result, just mental/spiritual/emotional depravity! This is addressed by increasing `thinking' and `feeling' activity.

Both (1) and (2) are admirably served by practicing authentic qigong, yoga or a physical exercise program!

Question: Are there any other 'signs' of energy imbalance that may be confused with erroneous physical complaints?

There are! Imbalances of energy.....this `energy' appears to be closely linked with the endocrine system, so it actually affects body chemistry, if one wishes to think purely in physical terms. For example, bottled up emotions can cause physical symptoms.

For example, prolonged depression will adversely affect lung/large intestine energy. This may result in, say, breathing problems, which a person would typically attempt to rectify with prescription drugs which `open out the alveoli'. Whilst this provides temporary relief, the underlying problem is still accumulating.

In turn, the drugs used may then cause other problems, perhaps affecting liver function, because of the extra burden of detoxification! Frustration and anger at lack of a `cure' may then occur. In turn, unexpressed anger will also adversely affect liver function. Sometimes the only cure is to look within.

Pretty great stuff here. I've been doing OOBE's for a couple of years now. Although I just realized that this was the name for it. It usually happens very easily when I sleep on the couch as well. LoL The last one I had, I tumbled off the couch to the floor. I always feel that struggle of trying to get my balance and it's very hard to open my eyes. Once I have I'm able to move around and touch things etc. Is it pretty normal to be alone in this state? For the longest time I was, until the other day. I walked outside and first I found a suitcase with suspenders sitting on top of it. When I opened the suitcase there was another box inside. At that point I thought to myself.."I'm wasting time" so I knocked on my neighbors door. I told him hello and when he responded to me I couldn't hear anything he said but his lips were moving. Is this similar to the "blind" effect? I'm assuming I just need to work on it in order to hear people.

Originally Posted by Jen2731

Pretty great stuff here. I've been doing OOBE's for a couple of years now. Although I just realized that this was the name for it. It usually happens very easily when I sleep on the couch as well. LoL The last one I had, I tumbled off the couch to the floor. I always feel that struggle of trying to get my balance and it's very hard to open my eyes. Once I have I'm able to move around and touch things etc. Is it pretty normal to be alone in this state?

First of all, I'm SO sorry I did not see this post! I am not getting notices that people are responding to my posts! I wish I knew how to fix that!

Anyway, thanks for the compliment about my writing, as I always love to know others appreciate what I do. Funny you say you 'tumbled off the couch' , as you will read, I am posting my latest below here, and it involved the same thing!! ....and YES! in the beginning, you feel very unbalanced and vision is very limited. You have to get used to the 'feel' of being OOB before you are allowed to do more. Thoughts are 'things' in this state, so affirm what you need or intend and it helps. Learning to control your thoughts is another big lesson. No fear at all, it stops everything! Ask for your helpers to be with you, and you may not 'see' them, but 'feel' them. Don't be afraid! I remember just getting used to 'feeling hands' on me was a big step! lol

Originally Posted by Jen2731

For the longest time I was, until the other day. I walked outside and first I found a suitcase with suspenders sitting on top of it. When I opened the suitcase there was another box inside. At that point I thought to myself.."I'm wasting time" so I knocked on my neighbors door. I told him hello and when he responded to me I couldn't hear anything he said but his lips were moving. Is this similar to the "blind" effect? I'm assuming I just need to work on it in order to hear people.

You will see that you can do more and more with each time you get 'out'. Sometimes just affirming 'clarity now!' will help clear things up or affirming, 'now I can hear'! it's the taking control that you learn to do, always be on the lookout for 'signs' and signals that indicate what you should do next.

Thanks so much for the post. I hope you enjoy the next one too! I'm so thrilled to have the experiences return!!

Karen

117) Tumors; Joel (Joeb?) & his Tractor

I am so happy to be able to write another adventure to share with everyone! It has been a long time without any cohesive memories that I could write and share so I’m pleased to say that I believe I had another OBE retrieval early this morning!

The night started much as usual, but I went to my ‘traveling couch’ earlier than usual (2am) due to being awake and unable to sleep right away. I initially had many different ‘dream clips’ and each time waking and wondering what they could mean. There were some related to my work, a few felt as if I was really OOB and in one I can remember different children running around my house making noise.

Another one in particular was rather intriguing in that I had just finished ‘helping’ this disabled child, and he told me I had ‘tumors in my belly’. At that time I recall having felt ‘lumps’ in my lower abdomen, and asked the child where they were. He pointed to his lower abdomen, and said ‘it’s not big deal; they just need to come out’. Immediately my medical background kicks in and I’m trying to seal in my memory that I may need a test to look for these in the future.

One other ‘dream’ was different in that I met with a man and woman who were telling me of their ‘loss’ of a young son, Joel (Joeb? Two part Jo- name). They told me he died at a young age “many, many years ago” after falling off a wagon being pulled by a tractor. He loved tractors, and I had a sense of ‘farming’ when talking to this couple.

I made no sense of this until I had this OBE a short time later. I remember ‘waking’ on the couch, and feeling disappointed that I once again was awake without having had an OOBE. I rolled off the couch, and found myself completely tangled in the blankets sitting on the floor! Trying to get untangled, I looked toward the TV in my living room and noticed light shadows, as if someone was blocking the light coming in from the front door down the hallway. (Had I realized it, this living room was the way it appeared a few years ago before we had it remodeled. That should have been a signal for me too!)

Thinking the front door was accidently left open (and not realizing there shouldn’t be light outside yet!), I moved down the hallway and was shocked to see my young son about age 5 coming in from outdoors!! I realized immediately that I had to be OOB, as my son is a young man of 25 right now, yet here he was as a child!

I was thrilled to think I was finally OOB again, and my young son escorted me outdoors to the front porch. I began floating upward slightly and everything went black for a few seconds, but then I floated back down to the front porch and my vision returned. This floating just confirmed to me that I was indeed OOB.

Here, the scenery changed as my usual front yard was now covered with a brick/stone walkway that weaved in and out of masses of wildflowers – yellow, orange, white ones – and I took note that the flowers were beautiful, yet the ‘feel’ of the flowers was ‘unkempt’ or ‘wild’, as if not looked after.

There were children playing and running around, also with the ‘unkempt’ or ‘wild’ feel, as if not cared for. They were happy, but in a ‘wild’ sort of way. It’s hard to describe, but almost as if they were ‘not good’ children, or bullies. I saw adults there too, one mentally challenged man was off to my left, quiet and non-communicative, and there were two female ‘caretakers’ off to my right who were happy to see me.

We walked together and talked, but memories elude me as to what the discussion was about once I woke fully at the end. I remember the landscape simulated the land around my house and at one point, I felt drawn to a young child standing quietly and forlornly by the side of the road, as if he was sad and withdrawn.

The feeling was that this child was being ‘bullied’ by the other children and did not even try to reach out to anyone. In hindsight, I’m think he was not able to ‘see’ the adults who were there with me trying to help him, hence his forlorn appearance and resignation to a life of being teased and bullied by the other children.

He saw me and allowed me to pick him up, giving him hugs and talking with him. He remained non-communicative, and the adults with me told me his name was ‘Joel’ (Joab?!) the same name I heard just a dream or two ago!! I immediately recognized that name, and asked what his story was.

The adults told me he had ‘passed over’ quickly as a young child after falling off a wagon! I knew immediately that this was the same ‘lost’ child the parents were looking for!

Walking back toward my house, I found myself inside a room with two other adults (they appeared to be MY parents, but I think the connection was that these were caretakers of the children). They told Joel that they were ‘going out’ that I was to ‘babysit’ for a bit, and to listen to what I said. I had the feeling Joel had memories of what babysitters did, and this is how they got him to pay attention to me.

I immediately went into ‘babysitter’ mode – which is always trying to find something that I know the child would relate to and have fun with. In searching the room, I found shelves with small toy objects, and my eyes were thrilled to see that way up high on a shelf was a small wagon!! I took it down and showed Joel, who lit up with a smile.

I then searched more and found a tractor wheel on a chicken? object so I took it down. I attached it to the wagon, and Joel was now beaming! Somehow, the object changed into a toy tractor that Joel was able to sit into and drive. I pushed other toy objects out of the way so he could ‘drive’ and it appeared he was now completely enthralled with the idea he was in control. At that point the OBE ended!!!

I can only imagine that he was now able to ‘see’ those who were there to help him, or perhaps even help himself by feeling more ‘in control’ so that he could go back with his parents who were looking for him.

Recording this OBE was difficult, as I remember thinking I was recording it two or three times, only to realize that I still was not fully awake and using the ‘real’ recorder! I went over the experience many times, trying to ‘seal it’ in my memory, only to realize I wasn’t awake and recording! When I did ‘pull myself’ up to full wakefulness, the memories faded SO quickly! I just feel so disappointed that it all seemed so easy to remember, until I became fully conscious!

This is a late entry as I was unable to access this site when it happened. Not many cohesive OBEs still, but I know they will be back!

2/28/10

I want to share with you an OOB experience that at the time, I didn’t realize was even an out-of-body experience!!

I had attempted to travel, moving to my ‘traveling couch’ after a few hours sleep as usual. I was disappointed to wake a few times, realizing I had had a variety of ‘events’ but nothing that I could put together in a cohesive story.

I try to sleep once again, and my first ‘recall’ of this experience was actually ‘waking’ and remembering, as I walked up the stairs to return to my bed that I was once again disappointed in not having had gone OOB! As I walk up the stairs, I have the feeling that maybe somehow, despite my absolute certainty that I am awake, there COULD be a possibility all is not as it seems and I am really OOB! (What even gave me that idea was amazing, because I truly thought I was fully awake!) To show myself that I AM AWAKE, I lean my shoulders against the walls and head ‘bumps’ the angular ceiling...I was thinking, oh dear, I just CAN'T be OOB because I am awake and feeling these walls/ceilings.

What is truly amazing to me is that for some reason, I can’t tell you why because I don’t know! I made the decision that it's really MY BELIEF that I am NOT OOB that is keeping me feeling 'awake', and that perhaps I really was!!! (I am thinking, in hindsight, that my thoughts over the past few weeks have been to try to understand how ALL things are possible as the sages say, and feeling it’s the tight hold we give to our ingrained beliefs and ‘physical-ness’ that keeps us from achieving that which we want)

So, by this time I'm at the top of the stairs, and immediately decide that despite my 'wakeful' knowingness - I was going to walk into the wall to give myself that ‘chance’ to see what my ‘physical status’ was, and to show that I am awake or OOB!!! It was an unusual decision, as I was so certain I was awake - but I was aghast to find that I moved INTO the wall!! I remember it was difficult to pass into, but I DID!!

At this point I woke (I think because I was stunned to realize I WAS OOB!), realizing in fact that I was NOT upstairs, that I don't have narrow walls such as I felt 'touching' me on the way up, and that I was still on the couch!!!! It was just an amazing realization I had upon waking, that I was SO SO convinced I was NOT OOB, that I was physical in every sense of the word, yet I wasn't!!

What I took from this was two things. That I firmly believe it is our beliefs and ‘closed’ mind physical upbringing to what we are told is ‘impossible’ that keeps us from attaining what may actually be possible!! We need to consider the impossible as a possibility before we will be able to achieve any strides toward our goal.

Additionally, I also feel that this is ‘firmness of belief’ is what others who have crossed, yet don't know it, must feel as they live in their self-made astral worlds. They are convinced they are 'normal' in physical bodies in every way, and it is not until they change their 'belief' and open to the smallest possibility of there being other options that give them the chance to change their perspective on how things are. Hence the reason why the retrievals we do in our travels work to bring into their lives that ‘chance’ of change and possibility!

Hi, Karen. I haven't commented in here for a while. I love/hate being fooled, like that last OBE you had. While I always feel foolish for not figuring it out quicker, it is a good reminder of how fickle our reality can be.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Hi, Karen. I haven't commented in here for a while. I love/hate being fooled, like that last OBE you had. While I always feel foolish for not figuring it out quicker, it is a good reminder of how fickle our reality can be.

Thank you for taking the time to post though! I do appreciate it...

I agree, it's frustrating at times! Lately it's becoming very difficult to discern my 'wakefulness' as OOB or not...I have to work on looking for the 'anomalies' that will trigger my awareness - that is what worked very well in the past....with my busy life right now, I think I'm just not paying attention as closely as I could!

Soon...very soon....my life is going to be more settled....and I can devote more time to this 'other life'!!

Thanks again,
Karen

hmmm lately I've been able to project a couple of times, and both times i just don't know what to do lol

Like... i don't know... sometimes I get a bit scared cause I'm all alone, and I feel like there's this sort of bad energy around... idk.. it could be just my imagination... I try to ignore it and i know i can not be hurt.. but still i feel alone... I recently lost a love (distance relationships are too hard to make them work ) so I guess in part i've just been feeling lonely and it reflects when i "get out"... and this morning I couldn't even get out my room... and also my OBE's only last a few seconds... I mean, I go out... i float around for a minute, and my body starts pulling me back!! and when i wake i wake up completely, so there's no way for me to try to slip back into it sooo...

Pretty frustrating... I guess i've been focusing a lot on how to get out all these years, but not really in What to do once I'm out

Mabye you could view your OBE as a good chance to try and meet up with the loved one you lost, Jessie. You don't have to be too specific or creepy about it. Just try to summon some loving feelings of companionship and friendship, and see who appears. The excercise might bring to light other supportive relationships you already have, but may be overlooking in your depression.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Mabye you could view your OBE as a good chance to try and meet up with the loved one you lost, Jessie. You don't have to be too specific or creepy about it. Just try to summon some loving feelings of companionship and friendship, and see who appears. The excercise might bring to light other supportive relationships you already have, but may be overlooking in your depression.

hmm... thanks a lot for your insight Robot_Butler...
Truth is I was REEEALLY depressed for a while.. but not anymore... I've realized many things, and the reason its taken me so long to get over her is that I'm a pretty lonely person.. have no friends in this country so I have waaaay too much time to think... I thought about this person too much... and for me to actually go see her while i OBE'd just seem to me like I was feeding the obsesion after I've been trying so hard to let go ... I do plan to visit, but later when I can control my travels better...

Besides... the problem is after I get out, and I'm floating in my room... I just can't make things happen the way everyone describes it you know?? like just think of someone and PUFF, see them or think of a place and PUFF, be there...

I guess I just need to believe a little more... that's the only explanation I find.. so any ideas on how to make things happen and also, avoid the fading away of the OBE would be greatly appreciated!!

Originally Posted by jessie1203

hmm... thanks a lot for your insight Robot_Butler...
Truth is I was REEEALLY depressed for a while.. but not anymore... I've realized many things, and the reason its taken me so long to get over her is that I'm a pretty lonely person.. have no friends in this country so I have waaaay too much time to think... I thought about this person too much... and for me to actually go see her while i OBE'd just seem to me like I was feeding the obsesion after I've been trying so hard to let go ... I do plan to visit, but later when I can control my travels better...

Besides... the problem is after I get out, and I'm floating in my room... I just can't make things happen the way everyone describes it you know?? like just think of someone and PUFF, see them or think of a place and PUFF, be there...

I guess I just need to believe a little more... that's the only explanation I find.. so any ideas on how to make things happen and also, avoid the fading away of the OBE would be greatly appreciated!!

Hi Jessie and Robot Butler! Thanks for the posts and my apologies for the delay in responding.

Jessie,
The 'bad energy' you feel when you get out may just be your 'thoughts' materializing around you. In the astral, these thought projections are created and can manifest if enough 'energy' was put into them, and from your description of your depression, I believe it's possible. I can almost feel the angst of your words as you write....

You are working in the right direction to overcome this sorrow, and the best way is to delve into something that interests you and gives you a 'drive' for success. Achieving the longer OOB status sounds like a good start, and I recommend you do as much reading as possible on the subject to immerse your 'mind' in these matters.

Do you dream journal? If not, I highly recommend it. There is much you can learn from the 'projections' of your dreams....use a dream interpretation guide to give a 'general' picture of what it may mean, and don't rely on others to give the meaning for you. Your intuition is best....

State affirmations and intentions as you prepare for OOBE as to what you'd like to do once out. Maybe it's to meet your guide (as we all have one) or to see the earth from outer space. For the beginning, maybe it'd just be to get into another 'room', as every 'doorway' can be a portal to another realm.

Once OOB, I firmly state, "To the door!" which makes me move away from my body, where you will find it's much easier to move. From there, moving into another room or scene generally happens spontaneously for me.

These are just suggestions, as every individual will have their own method of getting OOB and staying out. My blog has a post of my induction method and some techniques.

Good luck and stick with it. Intention and affirmation will take you far!! Read...journal....and be sure to share your successes with us!

Karen

3/21/10 Fearful Hands - Preparing for Play

I became aware of a ‘buzzing’ sensation and was excited to know that I was going to get out! Taking the initiative, instead of rolling, I just climbed out! I can still remember now how easy it was!

The next I knew I felt hands grabbing my ankles and it wasn’t the same ‘loving hands’ that I have felt in the past. These were firm, ‘fearful’ hands that made me concerned at once. I moved as if to get away, but the hands followed, moving along different part of my legs, not letting go! I remember thinking I had to get them off – and tried to maintain calm so that I could ‘send love’. It was difficult to do, and I kept moving about to try to shake them off.

I remember ‘swatting’ at them, but to no avail – and even thinking to myself after doing this that it was a silly thing to do since I knew ‘nothing’ was there! There was one particular time I felt very concerned when the hands moved to a more ‘private part’ of my lower body, almost as if trying to ‘scare’ me, but I maintained control and kept moving, which kept the hands moving.

I knew I had to get outside, so affirmed ‘to the door!’ and found myself moving that direction but with much heaviness and difficulty. I keep pulling and tugging toward the door, knowing somehow that once outside I’d be free of these hands.

Finally outside, I was much relieved to feel the hands let go and quickly moved to ‘fly up’ to the tree tops. I remember seeing the branches, leaves…and being so thrilled at my freedom once again! Looking back at the door I just left, I thought I saw my husband there, and called for him to follow me knowing he probably wouldn’t as he does not fully believe in my travels. I hindsight, I am wondering if it wasn’t my husband trying to ‘hold’ me back out of his own fear?

I turned to continue on, and was so surprised to see my dog Buddy once again accompanying me! I remember doing my happy flying flips and swoops, just enjoying the freedom and ‘realness’ of the sensations! It’s been a long time since I was so fully ‘aware’ ….I was thrilled!

The scene changed and I found myself with a large group of people, all recognized as familiar friends and family gathered in a large open ‘auditorium’ type room. I knew we were preparing for another ‘play’ and I was so enjoying seeing everyone and being with them.

The ‘play’ was about to start, and I knew we were ALL to be a part of it! It was a fun, exciting feeling and I remember seeing the racks and racks of beautiful ‘gowns’ and clothing that we will have our choice of wearing for the ‘play’ as it unfolded.

While I’m there having such fun, I remember thinking that I should stop and wake to record what I’ve done so far, but the happiness and bliss I felt was so appealing that didn’t want it to end!

At one point, I hear someone come into the ‘auditorium’ to make an announcement just as the ‘show’ was about to start. Something about ‘unexpectedly unleashed 17,000 cases of TB’ (tuberculosis)…..and they will have to be ‘bio-chemically timed to come back sooner’.

Listening to this announcement, there was no concern or sadness anywhere. It all felt to be a ‘game’ of sorts, a ‘play’ that we all wanted to be a part of and knew we were just happy to have the chance to be there in our personally chosen ‘roles’. There was much laughter and fun, and even knowing this unexpected ‘event’ happened, it was more of a minor ‘scene change’ that we were thrilled to be a part of!

I woke soon after, losing my memories once again so quickly – but still ‘glowing’ in the happiness and joy I felt at being out and with my ‘old friends’!

WOO HOO!!!

I OBE'd This weekend... it was super weird and awesome... on friday night it was just weird and... not very cool, its like I was dreaming... I was in my living room and my computer was acting up! so I got really angry and started punching it! until I realized I was dreaming, once I did this, it turned into an OBE, Everything began to feel different... I felt high vibrations and I tried to head to the wall.. I tried to trasspas it but I couldn't!! which is weird cause I have done it before, but it just felt soo real I mean the wall gave me this strong resistance... I couln't go thru it... Then! this thing pulled me back... like this energy... (sort of like those hands you felt pulling you back... Just like that!) I started like spinning around, I felt like I was kinda falling... and the place where I was just started flipping... like the image I saw started flipping... don't know how to explain it... imagine a book which has the Same exact picture in every page... and you flip thru it... that's how it felt... that's how i saw it while this thing, whatever it was, it wouldn't let me move... all of a sudden there was a hole on the wall so I finally regain a bit of control and went to the hole... it was like a window, but it looked like a big hole on the wall. so anyway... this thing keeps pulling me... and no matter how much I struggled, it wouldn't let me go... When it pulled me I let go of the "window", so I imagined a rope, and started pulling towards the window to try and get out... when I did... I felt free from whatever was pulling me back I flew up in the sky... and when I looked up, I saw the moon... and Behind it I saw like a planet... but it looked like a thousand times bigger than the moon... so big... It was like the earth was super close to this Gigantic planet... but then I lost it... woke up But yeah, the moon looked at the exact same size as it is in real life, and actually the next day I saw the moon and it looked exactly like in my OBE, crescent moon… almost full… and I found out that their was this planet that you could spot right next to the moon, and it won’t be visible again until 2012… of course in real life the planet looks like a big star.. just a lil’ dot on the sky… But, like I’ve read in many books, Thought energy has a lot of influence over certain astral planes, so if masses of people imagine a planet right next to the moon, isn’t that what I saw?? Cause I just think it can’t be a coincidence that I saw a planet in the exact days where a planet IS visible from earth you know?
Anyways… just a theory..
So Yeah I woke up But… not really awake... I was in SP and felt these Vibrations in my head... I felt like my whole head was vibrating really hard... So much that at a point I started kinda' slapping myself like on my forehead to make them stop, cause it was too much.. I thought I was moving but it was more like a False awakening... I was laying there... still with high vibrations.. I started hearing sounds... in my room... I couln't see cause I was on the side of my body and all the sounds where behind me... I even felt something leaning on my bed, behind me... heard plastic bags and like it was throwing stuff around... I knew it wasn't real, but still I reacted a bit violently... I turned around real quick!, and waved my hand like saying "GO AWAY" and Puff, I was on the floor OBE.. got up and kept feeling this bad negative heavy weight on my shoulders... I could barely move... I tried to think Positive... I asked for help... "please help me higher self" something like that but nothing... until I was pulled back into my body...

still with High Vibrations... but I was a bit tired of trying so I went ahead and moved... vibrations stopped.. and I woke up..

Phew!! Anyways.. I had a better experience on saturday tho!!!
I analized what happend... and so when I went to sleep at dawn on saturday I was relaxed... I made some visualization exercises, light all around me... "I am light" sort of thing, And I felt asleep... in the middle of my dream, i realized I was dreaming and awoke in my body.. I got out and it felt good... I saw my hand... it looked awesome!! like build of energy, kinda transparent... I got pulled into my body and I struggle to stay out.. but it pulled me back... I remember seeing my real hand and my astral hand right next to it, as I was entering my body... Wicked!!

I finally got out again, saw my self in a mirror in my room (BTW that mirror is not actually in my room.. its on the living room..) I saw myself wearing my favorite shirt I actually think I lost that shirt a while ago... But I used to love it... I saw myself very clear on that mirror... I smiled and went thru my closed door... I was in the living room... no bad energies, I was feeling great!!! I jumped over to the kitchen where there is a microwave with the time.. I looked at it.. it said 6:24am, (real time was around 8am), and then the numbers started shifting, going all crazy.. I went back to the living room, got out the house... but then gravity hit! I was flying but "gravity" pulled me down... felt like falling, got scared and woke up!

It was longer than my other experiences and VERY clear... and it was nice not having any negativity around anymore! yay for me!!

Anyways... just wanted to share

Originally Posted by karen659

It is SIMPLY a matter of living a balanced life, i.e. balancing mental/spiritual activities with `body based' physical activities, like exercise.

(1) A person who spends nearly all of their time thinking and very little of their time `doing' is neglecting their body, to its detriment. Their energy distribution will be such that most of their energy is in their head.

(2) Similarly, a person who spends nearly all of their time `doing' and very little of their time thinking, is neglecting their mind, to its detriment. Their energy distribution will be such that most of their energy is in their body.

We are a mind and a body - it's a duality, like everything in life. Both need to work in harmony. Any deviation from this state eventually results in problems.
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Wow... I hadn't read this... super interesting... thanks for this post Karen!

I think my problem is #1 I need to do some exercise and get me some friends LOL I spend all of my free time alone... thinking of course, or just relaxing trying to meditate... This makes sense... there's no need to neglect the body so much...

WOO HOO!!!

I OBE'd This weekend... it was super weird and awesome... on friday night it was just weird and... not very cool, its like I was dreaming... I was in my living room and my computer was acting up! so I got really angry and started punching it! until I realized I was dreaming, once I did this, it turned into an OBE, Everything began to feel different...

This first experience was quite unusual, but it was interesting to see how you handled the 'resistance' you felt, but as you moved and pulling you. You will not always find that there is actual physical 'evidence' to support what you see OOB as in the astral, as what we experience is always related to what we 'expect' to see. That's why you should always learn to 'go with the flow' when OOB and just see what happens next - the more you analyze while OOB, the less likely you will have the control you need.

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But, like I’ve read in many books, Thought energy has a lot of influence over certain astral planes, so if masses of people imagine a planet right next to the moon, isn’t that what I saw?? Cause I just think it can’t be a coincidence that I saw a planet in the exact days where a planet IS visible from earth you know?

Thought energy has everything to do with what you see/do in the astral! and yes...if there is enough 'like thought' then there can be similar 'sightings', IMO.

... I even felt something leaning on my bed, behind me... heard plastic bags and like it was throwing stuff around... I knew it wasn't real, but still I reacted a bit violently... I turned around real quick!, and waved my hand like saying "GO AWAY" and Puff, I was on the floor OBE.. got up and kept feeling this bad negative heavy weight on my shoulders... I could barely move... I tried to think Positive... I asked for help... "please help me higher self" something like that but nothing...

This was a good experience to learn how to deal with negativity. Having a 'violent' reaction, or ANY kind of extreme reaction, will always limit your abilities to handle any situations OOB. Thinking 'positive' was a great start, you at least remembered to do that! If you can, next time you feel 'bad negative heavy' sensations, focus on 'sending love', thinking 'loving thoughts' toward whatever you encounter. As they say, the darkness (negativity) cannot exist in the face of the Light of Love!

... I got out and it felt good... I saw my hand... it looked awesome!! like build of energy, kinda transparent... I got pulled into my body and I struggle to stay out.. but it pulled me back... I remember seeing my real hand and my astral hand right next to it, as I was entering my body... Wicked!! :cheeky

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Yes, this is quite fun when you have a chance to 'see' yourself! I remember looking at my astral arm in the mirror, looking like an ethereal spider-webby type arm floating...so awesome!

I finally got out again, saw my self in a mirror in my room (BTW that mirror is not actually in my room.. its on the living room..) I saw myself wearing my favorite shirt I actually think I lost that shirt a while ago... But I used to love it... I saw myself very clear on that mirror... I smiled and went thru my closed door... I was in the living room... no bad energies, I was feeling great!!! I jumped over to the kitchen where there is a microwave with the time.. I looked at it.. it said 6:24am, (real time was around 8am), and then the numbers started shifting, going all crazy.. I went back to the living room, got out the house...

This was great! I think seeing yourself in your favorite shirt was a indirect way of making you feel 'more comfortable' and relaxed for this OBE...you have such great control with this one!

but then gravity hit! I was flying but "gravity" pulled me down... felt like falling, got scared and woke up! :

Another good example of how fear stops the OBEs - every time! Controlling fear is crucial to staying OOB...

It was longer than my other experiences and VERY clear... and it was nice not having any negativity around anymore! yay for me!!

Anyways... just wanted to share

GREAT experiences! Every time you get out there is always something more you learn - so that the next time you go farther! I have a few posts in my blog about facing negativity and seeing myself....if you can't find them, email me and I'll send direct links.

Thanks so much for sharing! Keep up the good work!

Karen

I think my problem is #1 I need to do some exercise and get me some friends LOL I spend all of my free time alone... thinking of course, or just relaxing trying to meditate... This makes sense... there's no need to neglect the body so much...

Absolutely! This was quite a learning experience for me as well. I have had no further return of the severe episodes and when I find there a slight 'buzzing' that might be returning, I focus again on 'grounding' this energy with yoga moves or a nice long walk outdoors and it always dissipates!!

-Karen

That's really good that you actually were able to find the reason for this buzzing... it sounds horrible, and I'm sure there's many people out there who have similar problems and pop up a bunch of pills, and really let these problems mess with their lives, cause if you're in pain or something, its really easy to be angry about it, and thus taking it out on the rest of the world...
I'll keep this stuff in mind, its awesome..

Oh and thanks for your insight on my experiences!, it was really fun.. I'm still learning anyways...

I was reading a little fragment of Robert Bruce yesterday, and well he is very experienced with AP, and he says that in the beggining it was kinda like that for him, you know, like with this "bad energy" trying to control him, and stuff like that... The more you practice, the better you get... Just like with everything else IMO...

I'll try looking for those posts of yours... you have some interesting stuff to tell.

thanks

4-11-10

121) Long & Deep, Former Pets, Little Girl, Guide

This OBE was rather limited in recall due to the length of ‘time’ I was out! I even remembered thinking while out of body, if I don’t stop this now, I will not be able to recall all the details so far!

IMO, it’s not really a matter of ‘time’ as we know it, but a matter of ‘depth of experiences’ that measures how ‘long’ you are out!

Yet, regardless of the fact that I may not be able to write much, I made the conscious decision to continue on, probably because I have had such limited OOB excursions lately that I really wanted to stay out! When faced with such a decision while out of body, I hope my readers don’t mind that I chose to limit their quality of learning this time…lol

I have to say, though, that this was another very ‘deep’ experience, as I can tell its depth by the degree of difficulty I have ‘pulling out’ of the experience. The ‘deeper’ I am, the more difficult it is to bring back cohesive memories that ‘fit’ according to our physical dimension beliefs. There will be events and actions that made perfect sense in the astral, yet when you try to bring them back to this physical thinking, it is interpreted as ‘non-sense’ or even rejected by the conscious mind because it doesn’t fit the usual patterns.

I know this because of the few bits of recall I have as I try to ‘pull’ these memories back with me as I awaken. With the ‘false awakenings’ I have, the ones where I think I AM recording already yet am not, tell me these memories may not even be meant to be brought back.

For this long OBE, I have great recall of the end where two times I thought I was recording, only to realize that the recorder was in pieces and unable to be used! This same ‘event’ has happened SO frequently that it is now a signal for me that if I find my recorder broken, I am NOT fully awake and need to pull up more!!

As I try to pull up more, I lose more and more recall! It is rather frustrating at times! I hold the recorder, and can still ‘feel’ those memories but cannot put it into words!

But there were some recall of events, and those I will gladly share. The first time I became aware of vibrations, I was more ‘awake’ than usual, and became excited to think that I was indeed going to get out! However, with this excitement, I felt the vibrations shut down!

So I tried again, and found myself ‘awake’, lying on the couch, with animals now coming up to the side of the couch. I was surprised to feel a cat jump on me, and walk down and around my body, but then ‘knew’ it was one of the cats I had had many years ago.

Hearing noises, I looked to my left and there in my living room were two dogs that I have known either through my childhood or young adult life. I was thrilled to see my beautiful brindle lab mix, Buddy (my first Buddy) that disappeared years ago and I never knew what happened to him. Next to him was the cocker spaniel, Jingles, shaking his head and flopping his ears as he always did!

I believe there were others there, but my attention was drawn to my feet, where once again something was ‘clamping down’ on my toes! I was aware of what it was at the time, but my recall only gave me the word ‘Polly pet’ or something like that and with the intensity of the toe-hold, my memories tell me it felt like they were being held in a bird’s beak! I have no idea who or what this was, but it took a bit of effort to convince ‘it’ to let go, and I was much relieved when it finally did!

The next recall was of being out and realizing someone was holding both my hands in front. I could see no one, yet distinctly felt the small hands. I asked, ‘who’s there?’ and was surprised to hear a young girl’s voice answering me.

I cannot recall her words, or what we talked about, but the memory of twirling her around, having fun and laughing remains with me! The only other bit of this experience I recorded was the memory of hearing her say, “Oh look! It’s (name)!” I cannot recall her name, or the name of whom she saw, but upon realizing she could ‘see’ someone else, I knew I had to hand her over. I said, “I guess you’d better go then” and handed her over to this other person that was now visible to her.

Now, I recorded a few things that don’t quite make sense about this, but thankfully, as I recorded what I ‘saw’, I also interpreted what I felt that helps makes more sense now.

I said she started out as an ‘infant’, and remember thinking ‘she’s so young she doesn’t know she has passed’….yet as I played with her, she became older, maybe around 3 years old. I recorded my impression that she was so used to be neglected that she remained an ‘infant’ in her mind, and that’s why when I paid attention to her, she became more normal size as she truly would be for her age.

Another memory was of trying to get out of the house, pulling and tugging hard to move to the window. I can still recall the difficulty I had trying to pass through the window – knowing I was OOB and could do it, yet having difficulty with the wall portion of the window.

Half my body was hanging outside as it passed easily through the glass portion, yet my lower half was having problems getting through the wall! I remember feeling the ‘coolness’ in the change of air as I exited finally….and then took off flying again! The only memory I have of the flying is looking down, seeing my dog Buddy following me on the ground and wondering why he’s not up here with me as usual!

One last memory I recorded was the fact that I remembered to ask, ‘where’s my guide?’ as I had affirmed before bed that I wanted to meet with him again. As I was standing OOB in my living room, I looked across the room to see him happily sitting by the fireplace, smiling back at me.

I didn’t ask or go near him as I felt by his ‘smirky’ smile that once again, as I had asked prior to this incarnation that I not have much help from them that he was gently reminding me he was here with me but was not going to intervene!

I do have to say that this thread is great. I haven't read any of your recent experiences but I have went through the thread and read some accounts and discussions. I read part of the meeting of someone that you were happy about. Robert Bruce's quote was pretty interesting, to me it does give an explanation as to why LDs and OBEs sound like they are the same thing. My main concern is what you wrote about here:

"This can be a very disturbing experience and I don't recommend this be tried for more than a few seconds at a time. The awake physical mind (whilst a projection is in progress) must see and be seen by it's projected double for this type of connection to occur. Vision, seeing each other at the same time, appears necessary for this type of connection to occur. Once this happens, each side of the mind split, physical and projected, connect and begin to see out of each other's eyes at the same time. Each becomes aware of each other's vision and perspective as well as that of their own.

Once the visual side of this connection occurs, each side of the mind split instantly becomes aware of each others thoughts as well, simultaneously and compounding. This appears to be something like telepathic feed back, much like holding two identical 'mental' mirrors facing each other. This gives an unnatural glimpse of mental infinity - a mental reflection of a mental reflection of a mental reflection, continually compounding.

When two identical minds connect, while separated during an oobe, the two identical sets of vision and thoughts create something that can best be described as a visual and telepathic loop, compounding and feeding back upon itself in a never ending loop. This is an unnatural, incomprehensible, disturbing and possibly dangerous event for any mortal mind to experience."

Very interesting to say the least, but, how much danger would you say someone is in if this happens? Also, is this a rare thing to occur and can you prevent it when it starts like close your astral eyes(if possible), etc.... and if not, what would be the result?

Originally Posted by BigFan

I do have to say that this thread is great. I haven't read any of your recent experiences but I have went through the thread and read some accounts and discussions. I read part of the meeting of someone that you were happy about. Robert Bruce's quote was pretty interesting, to me it does give an explanation as to why LDs and OBEs sound like they are the same thing. My main concern is what you wrote about here:

"This can be a very disturbing experience and I don't recommend this be tried for more than a few seconds at a time. The awake physical mind (whilst a projection is in progress) must see and be seen by it's projected double for this type of connection to occur. Vision, seeing each other at the same time, appears necessary for this type of connection to occur. Once this happens, each side of the mind split, physical and projected, connect and begin to see out of each other's eyes at the same time. Each becomes aware of each other's vision and perspective as well as that of their own.

Once the visual side of this connection occurs, each side of the mind split instantly becomes aware of each others thoughts as well, simultaneously and compounding. This appears to be something like telepathic feed back, much like holding two identical 'mental' mirrors facing each other. This gives an unnatural glimpse of mental infinity - a mental reflection of a mental reflection of a mental reflection, continually compounding.

When two identical minds connect, while separated during an oobe, the two identical sets of vision and thoughts create something that can best be described as a visual and telepathic loop, compounding and feeding back upon itself in a never ending loop. This is an unnatural, incomprehensible, disturbing and possibly dangerous event for any mortal mind to experience."

Very interesting to say the least, but, how much danger would you say someone is in if this happens? Also, is this a rare thing to occur and can you prevent it when it starts like close your astral eyes(if possible), etc.... and if not, what would be the result?

Thanks BigFan for the post!

I want to point out first, that this quote and description was not mine, but from Robert Bruce. I have not ever experienced this 'infinite loop', or at least not consciously recalled it, which I imagine is really NOT even possible to do!

IMO, this description is of something that rarely happens, as we generally would get only 'glimpses' of this 'incomprehensible' event if it even occurred. Since I don't believe that I will personally encounter any harm while OOB, I suspect my 'higher self' is always protecting me from any such event. If you FEAR while OOB, then fear will be reflected back to you and your experience usually ends. What you 'project' is what you get...

The few times I have experienced 'dual consciousness' it was rather intriguing and not at all fearful or concerning. I'm actually not sure this is even the same as he is describing here.

I'm actually a bit surprised I posted this, as it doesn't really 'fit' my way of looking at being 'out' and I don't ever want anyone to be concerned about getting OOB. There is nothing to fear, and only lots to learn!!!

Thanks for the nice comments about my posts, I love to know that others are learning from them!

Karen

Originally Posted by karen659

Thanks BigFan for the post!

and thank you for the reply!

Originally Posted by karen659

I want to point out first, that this quote and description was not mine, but from Robert Bruce. I have not ever experienced this 'infinite loop', or at least not consciously recalled it, which I imagine is really NOT even possible to do!

IMO, this description is of something that rarely happens, as we generally would get only 'glimpses' of this 'incomprehensible' event if it even occurred. Since I don't believe that I will personally encounter any harm while OOB, I suspect my 'higher self' is always protecting me from any such event. If you FEAR while OOB, then fear will be reflected back to you and your experience usually ends. What you 'project' is what you get...

The few times I have experienced 'dual consciousness' it was rather intriguing and not at all fearful or concerning. I'm actually not sure this is even the same as he is describing here.

I'm actually a bit surprised I posted this, as it doesn't really 'fit' my way of looking at being 'out' and I don't ever want anyone to be concerned about getting OOB. There is nothing to fear, and only lots to learn!!!

Thanks for the nice comments about my posts, I love to know that others are learning from them!

Karen

My fault, I meant the quote you posted. I still would find that somewhat impossible mostly because you opening your eyes would mean that you are awake and thus can't be OBEing although if you take the clone idea into factor, it would explain that away, but, that still seems odd to me Thanks for your accounts and keep them coming! BTW, post whatever OBE experiences that you have, regardless of how short or if you did anything useful in them. One other thing, can you give me a description of the feeling, as in how it comes to an LD since I've had 3 so I have something to compare it to

Originally Posted by BigFan

My fault, I meant the quote you posted. I still would find that somewhat impossible mostly because you opening your eyes would mean that you are awake and thus can't be OBEing although if you take the clone idea into factor, it would explain that away, but, that still seems odd to me Thanks for your accounts and keep them coming! BTW, post whatever OBE experiences that you have, regardless of how short or if you did anything useful in them. One other thing, can you give me a description of the feeling, as in how it comes to an LD since I've had 3 so I have something to compare it to

Just for clarification - IMO, the idea of 'opening your eyes' is not something that is being done in a physical sense. The idea of 'seeing' your projected double at the same time as your OOB double is 'seeing' you is what he means...you are both seen "sleeping" and "out of body"....this is similar to the 'dual consciousness' I have experienced where I know I am lying on the bed 'seeing' at the same time as 'being within and a part of' the experience I am seeing. (Yes, it's as confusing to write about as it is to think about!! lol)

As for how it feels...I'm not sure of your question....how does an LD feel? or OBE? If you've had 3, then you have an idea. (remember I don't really delineate too much from an LD and OBE - only that when I find myself in an LD, I can sometimes turn it into an OBE!)

I'd be happy to share, but I'm not sure what you are asking. Let me know!

Karen

Originally Posted by karen659

Just for clarification - IMO, the idea of 'opening your eyes' is not something that is being done in a physical sense. The idea of 'seeing' your projected double at the same time as your OOB double is 'seeing' you is what he means...you are both seen "sleeping" and "out of body"....this is similar to the 'dual consciousness' I have experienced where I know I am lying on the bed 'seeing' at the same time as 'being within and a part of' the experience I am seeing. (Yes, it's as confusing to write about as it is to think about!! lol)

Yes, very confusing concept

Originally Posted by karen659

As for how it feels...I'm not sure of your question....how does an LD feel? or OBE? If you've had 3, then you have an idea. (remember I don't really delineate too much from an LD and OBE - only that when I find myself in an LD, I can sometimes turn it into an OBE!)

I'd be happy to share, but I'm not sure what you are asking. Let me know!

Karen

What I meant was that I've had 3 LDs so far, how do OBEs differ to LDs in terms of sensations, feelings, etc.... Are they really similar to LDs or is there something different to them? I have heard that you have no control over the surroundings in an OBE, etc..... in comparison to LDs. Basically, since you've had both, what did it feel like to be in an LD compared to an OBE?

Originally Posted by BigFan

What I meant was that I've had 3 LDs so far, how do OBEs differ to LDs in terms of sensations, feelings, etc.... Are they really similar to LDs or is there something different to them? I have heard that you have no control over the surroundings in an OBE, etc..... in comparison to LDs. Basically, since you've had both, what did it feel like to be in an LD compared to an OBE?

Oh, now I understand! First, to clarify, this is a very individualized experience and for each there will be slight differences in how similar sensations are perceived and interpreted. That said, I can tell you that there isn't much difference for me from the LD and OBE, except to say that once I realized I am 'within' a LD and become 'aware' then I take control and move as I wish.

When you are OOB, you FEEL just as you do now!! You are thinking and doing as if 'awake', yet you know you are 'out'. It's so hard to explain...

Many times, especially in the beginning when I was not familiar with how it really 'felt' to be out, I would use some anomaly or unusual finding to 'signal' me into the OOB 'mindstate' or awareness.

This is best done by journaling, as I found by writing my 'dreams' there were repeated 'signals' that I could use in to get out. For instance, finding myself in a classroom, repeatedly, would then 'signal' my consciousness that I am 'dreaming' and then move into the OBE.

The OBE's that start as OBEs, with my climbing out...are a bit different. Many times I get the vibrations signal, or for a time, there were 'sounds' and 'noises' that I knew were not usual for my house. When that happens, I have to stay quiet, affirm repeatedly "out of body now!", and then wait for that 'feel' that I'm ready. That feeling is hard to describe, but it's a 'knowing' that I'm fully awake, but not in a physical sensation sense!

Sorry if this is confusing, but it's not easy to describe. Be sure you are journaling EVERY dream and LD....you may just be surprised what you uncover!

Keep the questions coming...I'll try to answer!

Karen