Whats your view on Vampires (the real ones)

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Originally posted by reikigirl
Yes I guess you could say that psychic vampires need another's energy to sustain them. But what they should really do is stop relying on others for their own energy needs. They only need another's energy because they are not focusing on healing themselves. Rips in the aura can be healed. These people tend to give up their own personal power to others, and then in turn must replenish from someone else. In many cases they've caused the rips themselves by allowing the negative ego to control their thoughts. Thoughts like \"I'm not good enough\", or \"If I don't get attention, I must not be important.\" are all negative ego controlled thoughts. It's actually something we all battle with from time to time. But in the case of psychic vampires many have truly believed such thoughts about themselves for so long, that it's created holes, rips, or dark spots within the aura. And feeding on other's becomes second nature so much so that many get to a point that they don't even realize what they are doing it. It becomes habitual.

Then of course you have the ones out there who do it on purpose. For fun and kicks. (And they are out there!!) Instead of using their abilites to heal someone, they instead choose to mess with another person's energy maliciously because it in turn feeds the negative ego with feelings of superiority.

But I think it's important to point out they we all have the natural ability to protect ourselves from such attacks whether they are intentional or not. There are ways to shield oneself.

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I can never acomplish tk without feeding first, it sucks, and I don't understand why people would WANT to become a psychic vampire.

Shields are good, and you should always make one if someone is starting at you :shock: .

Wer, have you done any energy work?

I'm not trying to insult or bash you guys here, I'm trying to understand some things here.
Because really, to me it is like watching a couple of kids talk about Santa Claus and getting all excited.

Please explain to me your views on the human brain, the human nervous system and how it works in relation to the energy you supposedly can convert, and how it ties into having a soul, how it can go out of our bodies and can go back in, how do you think DNA works in relation to all of that, etc.

So this is why u like the beyond topics CT :D

Im sorta in the same boat as you Ct, need more explanation/proof and less stories ect. Although i always hold room for a possibility, so you never know.
Even if it was real, would they even know how it really works?

Ok guys, I see where this is heading but I will indulge you anyway. First of all, I want to explain that I am not "excited" about healing/energy work. It is a very serious and usually difficult endeavor. It is not a "special power" though some would treat it that way. Everyone is capable of it. Opening up to universal life energy (which all matter and life is made up of from it's smallest particle), requires you to really search out and find out who you are. If you are to become a clear channel you must come to terms about honestly why you have the beliefs you have, (is it because of fear, the need to feel superior, the way you were conditioned about traditional religions, etc...) Why do you treat certain people the way you do? Why are you judgemental? Here's an example....we are conditioned to believe that if we go to college, get a great job, get married, and have children, that we are then supposed to find happiness. Is that true? No, how come? You need to examine all your relationships, all your faults, talents, and why you've made the choices you've made. Because all of us on one level or another have the ability to "know" who we truly are, and what we are truly capable of, and how the universe really works. But the way we are conditioned to respond, our emotions, and our thoughts often muddy the water's so to speak. We become so emeshed in illusion of our own making. What you see, depends upon the level of your vision.

I sometimes find, as is in your case, too much emphasis is put on the "physical" body, realm, dimension, plane, etc...You know from your science that there are many more dimensions than just this one for example.....why would you have yourself believe that you are somehow excluded from the universe in it's entirety?? That you are seperate?? I am a Reiki Master and it came with a lot of difficult self-study, and discipline. For your thoughts and your emotions create your reality, and hence the circumstances you draw to yourself. It is not easy to stay centered in peace of mind, and not react to emotions, or have negative thoughts, (which trigger emotions). But the work is so worth it, for the universe will reveal itself to you in ways that are unimaginable. The level of peace, bliss, and smiles you experience are so much better than the feelings of isolation, anger, frustration, superiority/inferiority, sadness, confusion, etc....The barriers between dimensions, planes, begin to crumble away and you begin to know only "truth". I am in no way done with my own education. We are all constantly evolving.

Now I know this doesn't answer your scientific questions....so here are a couple of links that will get you started. They are by no means the only information out there. In fact these articles really don't do it justice, but they are intended for beginners. I am not good at making such comparisons. For me, I've never needed them. My path carries me to those who are already aware of their true being on some level, but I do know a few others (from this forum) who are very educated in that area, and speak very well on the level on which you seek to have answers. I will have someone PM the both of you, in a language you understand. :wink: Please be patient for it is not something that one can just sit down and type up in five minutes. There is alot of ground to cover, and alot of comparisons to make.

I honestly do not expect any opinions to change in the process, because if you are that set in your beliefs, than as you know "beliefs" leave no room for change. But I respect the both of you very, very much for even asking for an explanation. Whether you can identify with the material or not, at least your opinion will be an educated one, and not one made out of ignorance.

I can also recommend some books to read in regards to this. There are several wonderful ones out there, but I wasn't sure exactly how far you wanted to conduct your research into the matter. Also what I've found is that unlike "tradional religions", when you begin to research this subject (if you do), it correlates very well with scientific studies/theories. Meaning they both make sense. One supports the other. But that's just my opinon.

http://www.biocosm.org/questions.htm
http://ascension2000.com/asc9-01.htm

As I said, there are much better books and articles out there, so please don't pass judgement yet. I will have someone PM you.

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I sometimes find, as is in your case, too much emphasis is put on the \"physical\" body,[/b]

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But the way we are conditioned to respond, our emotions, and our thoughts often muddy the water's so to speak. We become so emeshed in illusion of our own making.
What you see, depends upon the level of your vision.[/b]

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This is something that always comes back, that I find so funny. I have not been conditioned to discard spirituality, and neither has society. I would argue the opposite. There's still a huge emphasis on spirituality and religion and all the other things that accompany it. True atheists (people who actively thought about this and rejects all beliefs, not someone who "doesnt really bother with religion") are not common at all. Ranging from psychics talking to the dead on TV, to astral projecting witches in Charmed, there are many more of those indirect sources that would influence someone to believe in a higher something. (And when you poll random people, almost all will say they believe in something higher, even if they dont know what). My own mother does reiki, I attended the "Vrije School" (Free School? Based on the teachings by Rudolf Steiner and homeopathy etc) my whole life so I have heavily been influenced by those ideas, so its not like I dont know anything about it, and lump it all together and call it retarded. I just started thinking logically, and came to my ideas.


You seem like a very kind, respectfull and peacefull person, a genuine 'open minded' person and I admire that. I'm not looking for an argument like many 'sceptic' people out there, infact I hate it because I suck at arguments :P. I know that everyone has their beliefs and all are valid, I should remind myself to be more respectfull (Although with all these psi tutorials, that seem to be grabbed directly from a Star Trek Voyager episode, it kinda gets hard to contain myself). Though often when discussing these issues of spirituality, the ones screaming the loudest about keeping an open mind are the ones that have the most closed minds themselves, but I guess maybe both parties start the discussion with the wrong assumptions about eachother.

Your links look interesting, I have only glanced over them for a couple of seconds, but I will check them out later. Maybe they'll make a believer out of me yet :wink: :mrgreen:

Reikkigirl our truth and view on life is never broader then our experience and recognition of it!
So books wouldnt change much i think.

And for energy, healing all these things you need talent.
and no study can change that.
A true talent teaches him/her self the way and is a natural.
Those always will be supreme to the ones that read books or follow a study.
I say it everywhere but i repeat myself again, in the west spirituality/healing etc is made into fast food commercial stuf.
If u want to test if your talented its so easy, the following is from a to z for all
talents that you speak about or read about reikki girl.
If u wanne c if u are truly talented do an eeg test.
If you dont get theta and delta waves while you are awake you are not truly talented,
and in my eyes your then absoulute not a reikki master, just on paper you are then.
If you do have those lower brain waves while you practise reikki then you are indeed talented.
The real talent on all this must have lower brain waves to connect and work from its subconsciousness and plexus solaris, breathing and chi.

Well that was just ment 4 you reikkigirl! ;)

Little add on it, the mental/consciousness dicipline in the far east like the yogi
builded the true base for all this.
Those found out by simply staying aware from being empty of mind while letting there body fall a sleep.
And so they experienced how breathing, awareness our nerve system and consciousness all is linked as one.
They where the ones that discovered the chakras and all around it.
What u find in books is only a very slim left over of that, combined with much superstition.

I am a mix of east and western blood and i can stay conscious in all sleep levels and lower even, the near deatn experience.
i had an eeg machine for ten years and nobody learned me how to stay consncious through all sleep.
It is my talent like an instinct and intuition.
Later i found that my way/tech is an old tibetan yogi way.
From my own experience i can say that some of what you find in books is true, but also a lot is just simply not true.
my experience is that the east is good in doing the thing!
And the west is good at being rational but not at experiencing consciousness.
Combine those, west and east and you can translate experiences into logic,
its a strong combination.

Jeff

Lucid Apple and CT,

You are both very much right. Lucid Apple, I know exactly what you are saying about getting info from books. But sometimes when you are connecting with others, you have to first use the tools that they may understand. Then you can expand from there.....

As for Spirituality in general, I know and am oftentimes at odds over what goes on in the Spiritual/New Age community. There are alot who throw titles around, operate out of the negative ego, brag about how many people they've healed, and would still call themselves Masters and say that they've reached enlightenement/perfection. It's too bad that you find so many of these people in all walks of life as well. I can only look at them as tests, or lessons to be learned. For I truly believe in a divine plan and know they would not cross my path otherwise.

CT please forgive me for my assumption that you were uneducated in such matters. See, I told you I'm still always learning...I've never professed anything as silly as perfection. I would not be here if I was. But back to what you said. If you've been around it, educated in it, but it just doesn't resonate well with you.....then find what does. Everyone has a different path. I honestly can't sit here and say that my path is right for anyone. Each person knows where they need to "search" or where they need to "be" at any given moment. I don't profess that what I know is the only and/or right way. It is simply the right way for me.

In my posts I don't try to come across as being "right." I only want others to respect what eachother says instead of feeling that one person must be "right" or "wrong." I hope others who feel the same will identify with me, and those who don't will at least respect the differing opinion, and not trash it, because that does affect certain people with sensitivities. I sincerely try to do the same.

Thanks Reikkigirl that was a very honest and respectful post!

Jeff

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Originally posted by reikigirl
Lucid Apple and CT,

You are both very much right. Lucid Apple, I know exactly what you are saying about getting info from books. But sometimes when you are connecting with others, you have to first use the tools that they may understand. Then you can expand from there.....

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Yes, you can not believe everything you hear. But, to find out for sure, you should at least lisin.

Thanks wer. That's all I've been trying to get across here. I don't buy into the need to prove or disprove another's viewpoint. Just read it, and form your own opinions, or don't read it. You know?? But everyone should be given the opportunity to do so without worrying about a nasty, arguementative reply. That keeps some people from posting, and from posting their true feelings.

Today I was thinking about the concept on vampires, and what modern folktale has subjected it to be. When a un-educated person in the field of real vampirism is asked what a Vampire is, they would reply with, "Creature of the night, cursed when they were a child, and when they died, they came back from the dead, to feed off of humans to stay alive". Also, socity has gaven people a un-truthful idea of what a vampire looks like. A pale, tall, human looking creature with long nails and sharp fangs. Now, I look at the concept of evolution. In vampiric population of the world, the majority of vampires are psychic vampires. There are still the sanguine vampires, which are vampires who have to drink human blood to sustain their life force, but there arn't so many Sanguine vamps anymore, because evolution took place, and vampires adapted to feeding better, so came the psi feeding, but using your aura tendrils to suck the energy from a person. But, many years ago, people would not accept vampirism, and years ago, there were only Sanguine vampires, so they had to have a donor. People probley would not let a human feed off their blood, so they would not let the Sanguine vampires feed, so I would theorize, that because of this lack of donors, vampires would adapt to hunt, and would gain streath, to defend themselfs, from hunters. They would grow fangs or long nails, so they could cut a victom, to feed. Most would kill their victoms, because if they did not, their victom would share what had happened to them, and it would atract hunters. They would hunt in the night, because it would be much easier then day time. This is just a theory, but it seems to me this could be what started the whole fangs and killing thing about the vampires.

uhm, you say they have evolved so much, but you said they lived at the same time as us humans in whatever folklore times.
Wouldnt humans have evolved, in that space of time? it takes hundreds of thousand of years to evolve noticably. and you say that vampires did this in a space of, what a thousand years?

i dont believe in them. There are far better explanations (nocturnal humans, schizophrenia) for vampires than what you sya they are.

Well...I haven't really read any of the posts here (they all look so lengthy anyway), I just saw the topic...and had to add my 2 cents because I just watched Van Helsing. And...um...I think Dracula is sexy as hell.

I would like to know more of the "life force" in human blood

I dont think reiki or anything near being human can have anything to do with vampires the socalled blood ones or the so called psychic ones.!!
Maybe you shoudl have studied the word 'Vampire/vampyr/vampir/...' before you put down your opinion on hows one can observe itself and let its mind do the things you say... You shoud know that for some this can be very dangerous messing with how you observe the world at present also where you belong in 'mind.
Please dont try to put yourself into a position like some other people who are 'withches' (literally) WHere does withches come into this you say?? person who think they can tell you truth of your future or of your mind or your past are regarded as having witch related features and these people usually have things to do with reiki, meditations etc...

As for Vampires, there are too many ''wannabes'' everywhere, who wouldnt want to have the powers they do? dont take me wrong but if they were out in the open i dont think many people would regard them as good... but still wannabes.

"not soundin like i was part of an occult":P:P but vampires are real and also many other supernatural phenomenons... I have also researched about the energic vamps and the blood sucking ones although blood sucking ones are in my opinion more science fiction than real. The enegizing ones are humans trying to energize their mind to keep them busy off boredom. Why would you use it in a bus or a school or somewhere full of people? to keep yourself entertained and also some weird stuff happening is usually the cause of 'equilibrium' Maybe you should study other ways in which you can change what humans are cabaple of to their max and then max that out.. changing perphaps.

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Originally posted by Shockwaver
I dont think reiki or anything near being human can have anything to do with vampires the socalled blood ones or the so called psychic ones.!!
Maybe you shoudl have studied the word 'Vampire/vampyr/vampir/...' before you put down your opinion on hows one can observe itself and let its mind do the things you say... You shoud know that for some this can be very dangerous messing with how you observe the world at present also where you belong in 'mind.
Please dont try to put yourself into a position like some other people who are 'withches' (literally) WHere does withches come into this you say?? person who think they can tell you truth of your future or of your mind or your past are regarded as having witch related features and these people usually have things to do with reiki, meditations etc...

As for Vampires, there are too many ''wannabes'' everywhere, who wouldnt want to have the powers they do? dont take me wrong but if they were out in the open i dont think many people would regard them as good... but still wannabes.

\"not soundin like i was part of an occult\":P:P but vampires are real and also many other supernatural phenomenons... I have also researched about the energic vamps and the blood sucking ones although blood sucking ones are in my opinion more science fiction than real. The enegizing ones are humans trying to energize their mind to keep them busy off boredom. Why would you use it in a bus or a school or somewhere full of people? to keep yourself entertained and also some weird stuff happening is usually the cause of 'equilibrium' Maybe you should study other ways in which you can change what humans are cabaple of to their max and then max that out.. changing perphaps.

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Well, some of that was hard to read. So, you believe in the immortal vampires or energy vampires or what?

Psi vamps do not feed to entertain themselfs. They feed to keep them from depression and lack of energy.

Not all psychic vampires i mind you

Well I tried to reply to Reiki's comments,I guess I wasn't yet signed in. She said, "For your thoughts and your emotions create your reality, and hence the circumstances you draw to yourself."

Physicists tell us that matter is really frozen light, or energy. They are also telling us that reality is percieved as such only after it enters our brain and senses. What is really out there is not what we percieve, its just the way our physiology is constructed. We can't percieve the whole of reality with our limited five senses, just as we
cannot percieve the whole of the light spectrum, like infrared and such.

Whats really out there is waveform. Frequencies, Vibrations and Resonance.

So if they are calling solid matter frozen light, then what does that make us? We like our cut of steak fine, but those who have died and returned tell us that it is not as real as we think.

What the hell does any of this have to do with vampires?

Point is, why wouldn't our perspectives in light of this, affect our reality, and everything and everyone around us? I know some energy vampires, they are that way because of their perspectives, and how they view their past. They live in a kind of deficit. Kind of like a black hole situation. Its like you can only take small doses of them because they will deplete you.

I only believe in one thing and thats 'me'. How can anyone be sure more than that i don't know yet. But as for the vampires I cant say.. so all i am going to say is that a person/being in depression and lack of energy. Why would a vampire be in depression wtf am i saying thats not a vampire yeah thats my point. A vampire is one that can play games with the people an the environment with more abilities but left in a cold wasteland of eternity right.. so thats what the other guy was saying about the black hole but for the psi vamp that does not fit in. why the in the name of hell- people suddenly started playing with the meaning of vampires anyway, there are too many people who would sell their souls right...or isit just wannabes who would S*** their pants

How would you know if you was born into this world in a natural basis and in the middle of mediterranean somewhere living a life without too much importance of money and such, why would that person ever even naturally fall into depression or lack of energy unless he/she has thalassemia or similar, why would that person ever be counted a psi vampire. This isnt noting to do with 'Vampires' unless he/she is a vampire in the middle of mediterranean somewhere...

My point is some people are just very creative and by asking one simple question can lead to other people of the humanitarian group feel like they need to answer and thats where i believe this psi thing came to be. I mean if psi is real than anyone can choose to be especially people who live in a society where depression is a key role in playing on capitalism (imperialism-not going into that!)

Maybe people just thought they used too much imagination with the vampires so they'll make something less creative to get people to believe since that is pure irony. But anyway anyone should try it themselves if it works or doesnt, did not for me. Maybe i am some other mythical creature or maybe vampires cant do psi either :P.. or maybe I didnt give it enough commitment is another question on your mind?

I dont htink thats a point but simple thoughts like that would already determine how much of a natural human being you are(and not a psi vamp). In cases of vampires they are secretive and unlike witches did not go through the process of determination due to their lack of greed and a vampire would not propose to exist because there is no revolution for them.
I know a real one owuld just pass on from this post similing or not minding it at all.. but there isnt much the less able but more important humans can say about you is there?

considering another point of view if they are definately not real and someone 'one' knew this and was going through the forum they would probably think that humans are either too creative or too ironic or too stupid maybe. Or maybe if its a psychologist somehting like, these humans are really feeding their imaginations:P
considering all views vampires are real in every sense due to the fact of life especially in places like th USA, UK, parts of UEROPE AND parts of ASIA and thats for real.
Its not even something that should or has to be prooved by images or video and such, just look out your window.. or look clearly at some people and one day you'll realise.
As for the witches/reiki connection in my earlier post, the reason i put it there was in fact because i know a woman with a history of torture and grave in her family history /tree shoudl i say and she definately has some weird psi and reiki stuff going on so there you go.
And this post is loong but for my last query is that i personally dont think there is something as psi vampires, but i realy mean the words, i dont think humans with psi stuff going on would have anything to do with =vampires. I dont think it fits into this post since it states (the real ones)

I have vampire dreams frequently and always end up getting my butt kicked by them. Sometimes they're subtle, and they get near me by shape-shifting into friends or family members, then secretly try to puncture my body in an area where I am not paying attention. Other times, they utilize tube like appendages that are like leaches.. Other times they are flying creatures that sometimes look like bats, but tend to be more like morphous black blob-like creatures that either have wings or travel through the air at will, then latch on to me like a lamprey or leech. Other times it seems as if I am stranded on a vampire world, where I am the only non-vampire and thus am attacked by legions of blood -suckers of various forms and sizes. I have tried avoiding them by flying away (this does not work), by fighting with them kung-fu style (this works for a little while until there are too many), vaporizing them with lasers or burning them with fire (until there are again, too many)... It seems that anytime i try to fight them or get away from them or get rid of them in my own strength, it just attracts more of them until I am severely outnumbered. When they suck my blood, it somehow seems to affect me phsically (when I wake up, my blood pressure is so low that I can barely feel a pulse, not to mention I feel extremely groggy, and sometimes I have a pounding brain-ache). Other times, it seems like I am fighting against a vampire general or higher-up vampire who commands others. These I fight using telekinesis, but still end up getting severely beaten/eaten. I need to resort to just waking myself up or praying!