Thread: *cough* well Dream views...look who's back? with really good news too!

hey Creation X, I dont know if you saw it when I posted it last time, but I'd like to know your thoughts on it.

Originally Posted by Erikkujonson

Ill have to try this once I become any good at all at lucid dreaming and also, if you believe in them, do you think it could be by any chance some type of OBE cause that seems like and idea that doesnt break the laws of the world and may not upset people *points to repliers to this forum* lol Its hard to believe its possible but I happen to believe that the boundaries of this world/universe are not very strong but that people create their own boundaries by not believing in other possibilities.

sorry to go off on a tangent lol but I just want to know your thoughts

What do you think Creation X? And btw I am very impressed in your progress so far if it truly works, I have faith that its true, but being a logical person I wouldnt mind proof. Also btw, dont mention this too much because if it works, the government will find a way to take you in for testing and your entire life will be shelled so keep this relatively close to chest.

yea, i'll answer that.
The OBE thing is a good observation, but not what happened. My body wasn't under me like it would be in an OBE.
and the government will probably think of this as some false story, so I'm not going to worry about them. Another reason I won't worry about them is because I don't plan on ruining any persons life. I plan on helping the world, help cure cancer, poverty, and just all in all make the world a better place. And I don't mean snap-my-fingers-gone-goes-cancer, I mean just secretly give a bit of a nudge towards them, so I don't cause any widespread panic about a 15 year old with god-like powers.

edit: about the video taping, If I can get a some type of device to record videos, I would be more than happy too. (no camera[video] phone/camcorder)

2nd edit: also, next time I do break out, if it's not permanent, I'll be sure to get something to majorly prove that It is real.

I would say the best way to get proof is to try it for yourself. You have nothing to lose, and the only other reason you wouldn't do it is because you are just too lazy, and I don't think you want people calling you that. I almost forgot to add that this would be so cool if it would work, and I will try it as soon as I attain lucidity.

One more question Creation...
I think that if this works, it shouldnt require the ability to LD in order to do it maybe you should just be able to have a mindset or something of that sort, maybe you could break out of the reality restrictions...

well edsq, I guess if they can manage to get it in under a year. my minor telekinises took a half a year to develop(using my dreams as a method.)

and to erikkujonson, you could be right, but I have tried to just to break out of reality restrictions while being awake, but I feel like there is a little bit of doubt in me, and in Lucid dreams there isn't any, for me anyway.
This will probably be my last post for tonight, so all wish me luck on tonights journey.

Ya, I see how that coulde get in the way, but if it's possible then it opens this up to those unable to LD. Good luck tonight!

As far as I am aware, psychic and supernatural powers of this sort stem from belief - you must rid yourself of doubt in order to succeed. This is why most psions who use telekinesis can, at most, roll a pen or perhaps slide a book across a table - even after meditation, the simple fact that their mind has been trained for so long that it is impossible prevents them from becoming extraordinarily proficient. But you've come at it a different way - using a lucid dream to anchor that ultimate BELIEF, then waking yourself up. With this method, you have effectively ELIMINATED ALL DOUBT FROM YOUR MIND! And that is why you have been able to do these things.


Discuss.


EDIT: I just read the couple posts above me, and they're saying pretty much the same thing I apologize for being redundant

That wrapped it up incredibly well, Vanota.
I couldn't have said it any better, Thank you
anyway, A weird thing happened to me last night.
I was using the MFG technique (Malac's Fast grab) and I felt myself being "pulled" into my dream and then "pushed" right back out. I wasn't trying anything but to attain lucidity and that happened. After that I don't know what happened, everything was black and I can't remember what happened.

You know, there's an easy way to test whether you are in the real world and not a vivid FA. Something tells me I read it in EWOLD but that doesn't deal with OBEs so I don't know.

Anyway, the method is as follows:

1. Before you go to bed, shuffle a pack of playing cards and remove a card WITHOUT looking at it
2. Place the card face-down on the other side of the room to your bed
3. Go to sleep, get lucid and "break out" as you so simply put it
4. Walk over to where the card is, look at it and remeber which card it is. Put it back as it was
5. When you get up in the morning, check to see if the card is the one you saw the night before

The odds of getting this are 1 in 52 so you might want to do it a few times or with a few cards in one go to strengthen the evidence.

Originally Posted by Super Duck

You know, there's an easy way to test whether you are in the real world and not a vivid FA. Something tells me I read it in EWOLD but that doesn't deal with OBEs so I don't know.

Anyway, the method is as follows:

1. Before you go to bed, shuffle a pack of playing cards and remove a card WITHOUT looking at it
2. Place the card face-down on the other side of the room to your bed
3. Go to sleep, get lucid and "break out" as you so simply put it
4. Walk over to where the card is, look at it and remeber which card it is. Put it back as it was
5. When you get up in the morning, check to see if the card is the one you saw the night before

The odds of getting this are 1 in 52 so you might want to do it a few times or with a few cards in one go to strengthen the evidence.

Funny you posted that I did just like you told in my OBEs with tarot cards. But as a result I understand that staying in the real world is impossible unless you are highly exprienced. I saw the card in all of my tryings but the thing I saw was very different. I asked how I stay in the real world to a highly exprienced and known Astral Projector in my country. He said that while having OBE real world-dream world-astral world stand on the same thin line and in order to stay in the real world I should be exprienced enough and work up my energy level. Hope it helps. OBE becomes very easy for me if I catch the vibrations but they didn't lead to real world but the world same in some aspects and dream world.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Funny you posted that I did just like you told in my OBEs with tarot cards. But as a result I understand that staying in the real world is impossible unless you are highly exprienced. I saw the card in all of my tryings but the thing I saw was very different. I asked how I stay in the real world to a highly exprienced and known Astral Projector in my country. He said that while having OBE real world-dream world-astral world stand on the same thin line and in order to stay in the real world I should be exprienced enough and work up my energy level. Hope it helps. OBE becomes very easy for me if I catch the vibrations but they didn't lead to real world but the world same in some aspects and dream world.

Why is it that you believe these are OBE's if they are not the same as reality when you are looking at the world? I used to have FAs all the time and I used to WILD all the time, of course it has been a while since I've really wanted to do any of that, and a while since I've been catalogging my dreams so I can't remember them past a few days if I don't make note of them. But I don't attribute them to actually leaving my body or as anything more than just a dream.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Why is it that you believe these are OBE's if they are not the same as reality when you are looking at the world? I used to have FAs all the time and I used to WILD all the time, of course it has been a while since I've really wanted to do any of that, and a while since I've been catalogging my dreams so I can't remember them past a few days if I don't make note of them. But I don't attribute them to actually leaving my body or as anything more than just a dream.

Because most of my WILDs happened in OBE form (my sig) and there are few people who are able to stay in the same reality. OBE doesn't mean that you have to stay in the same reality. Those were not FAs by the way. Like I said it is out of body exprience which you (soul,consciousness,mind, twin body etc. whatever you call it) leave your body consciously and then you do whatever you want. In my case I always start in my room (a few differences) then flew out of window and I haven't seen one person who stays in the same reality while OBEing in DV. They always talk about how similar the reality is but always a difference.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Because most of my WILDs happened in OBE form (my sig) and there are few people who are able to stay in the same reality. OBE doesn't mean that you have to stay in the same reality. Those were not FAs by the way. Like I said it is out of body exprience which you (soul,consciousness,mind, twin body etc. whatever you call it) leave your body consciously and then you do whatever you want. In my case I always start in my room (a few differences) then flew out of window and I haven't seen one person who stays in the same reality while OBEing in DV. They always talk about how similar the reality is but always a difference.

Every OBE I've ever heard of sounds exactly like a dream or a WILD, falsely attributing the actions of the WILD to a OBE. You are really dreaming, you aren't in another reality and the way I prove this is that you are still in your body because you are able to wake up and hear sounds that transfer into your dreams while you sleep.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Every OBE I've ever heard of sounds exactly like a dream or a WILD, falsely attributing the actions of the WILD to a OBE. You are really dreaming, you aren't in another reality and the way I prove this is that you are still in your body because you are able to wake up and hear sounds that transfer into your dreams while you sleep.

No, I'm calling it OBE form just to define one of the way I WILD. I mean I'm WILDing in two ways. One way is that I woke up, stay up 5 min., get back to bed, then 10min later I get the vibrations and get out of body which I call OBE form. The other one is that I wait and see an image in front of my eye and get in to that dream then continue from there. OBE;

"An out-of-body experience (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body and, in some cases, perceiving one's physical body from a place outside one's body (autoscopy)."

AP

"Astral projection (or astral travel) is an interpretation of aspects of out-of-body experience perceived as unfolding in environments other than the physical world, that assumes the existence of an astral body separate from the physical body and one or more astral plane to which it can travel.[1] Astral projection is experienced as being "out of the body".[2] Unlike dreaming or near death experiences, astral projection may be practiced deliberately."



That is the definition. You see, I'm not falsely attributing the actions of the WILD to a OBE. I'm just saying my expriences can be named that way.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

No, I'm calling it OBE form just to define one of the way I WILD. I mean I'm WILDing in two ways. One way is that I woke up, stay up 5 min., get back to bed, then 10min later I get the vibrations and get out of body which I call OBE form. The other one is that I wait and see an image in front of my eye and get in to that dream then continue from there. OBE;

"An out-of-body experience (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body and, in some cases, perceiving one's physical body from a place outside one's body (autoscopy)."

AP

"Astral projection (or astral travel) is an interpretation of aspects of out-of-body experience perceived as unfolding in environments other than the physical world, that assumes the existence of an astral body separate from the physical body and one or more astral plane to which it can travel.[1] Astral projection is experienced as being "out of the body".[2] Unlike dreaming or near death experiences, astral projection may be practiced deliberately."



That is the definition. You see, I'm not falsely attributing the actions of the WILD to a OBE. I'm just saying my experiences can be named that way.

Ok, so your using OBE in the definition that it feels like you are leaving your body though you are not actually leaving your body? Most people who use the term OBE refer to actually leaving the body, though it can be used to describe the sensation of leaving ones body while not actually doing so. However, based on the fact that you said earlier

Originally Posted by Roland

I did just like you told in my OBEs with tarot cards. But as a result I understand that staying in the real world is impossible unless you are highly exprienced.

Which led me to believe that you think OBEs involve leaving your body for real.

Often people will attribute a different meaning to the word, and then to appear as if they weren't, they will use the alternate meaning. Your first post obviously showed that you were at least some of the time using the word OBE to mean actually leaving ones body.

You also said.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Like I said it is out of body exprience which you (soul,consciousness,mind, twin body etc. whatever you call it) leave your body consciously and then you do whatever you want.

"Leave your body consciously." Your consciousness is still in your body, it isn't out of your body. Again this seems like you are actually saying you are leaving your body rather than just WILDing.

Now it has gotten too complicated,I'm confused Lets start from the beginning, I'll try to put it in a simple way.

What I'm saying is, yes, I'm actually leaving my body. But not a lot of people believe in OBE. By the way can you give me your opinion on the difference btw "actually leaving the body" and "feels like you are leaving your body".

All I'm saying is the one way I WILD starts with an OBE. Because I exprience the exact same things and I am always fully aware of what is happening. I'm not saying things like "I felt like I was hovering...then suddenly I was there...though I couldn't remember how I...etc" I exprience it every second and literally try to get out of my body and I continue.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Sorry for the confusement What I'm saying is, yes, I'm actually leaving my body. But not a lot of people believe in OBE. By the way can you give me your opinion on the difference btw "actually leaving the body" and "feels like you are leaving your body".

All I'm saying is the one way I WILD starts with an OBE. Because I experience the exact same things and I am always fully aware of what is happening. I'm not saying things like "I felt like I was hovering...then suddenly I was there...though I couldn't remember how I...etc" I experience it every second and literally try to get out of my body and I continue.

Well the difference between between leaving the body and feeling like you are leaving your body is the same as the difference between the pain a person who has no arm feels in his arm and the pain a person who has an arm feels in his arm.

Phantom limb syndrome, which a person feels pain in a body part that no longer exists. You are "feeling" like your arm is hurting yet your arm can't be hurting because you don't have one. And by in your arm I mean an area of your arm that isn't there as opposed to pain one might have at the stump area. I'm not sure what causes phantom limb, it may be natural malfunctions at the area of the stump that send signals as if a part of the arm that is no longer there is sending it, or it may be cross firings in the brain, or from changes in size.

Or another parallel may be when a person has a dream that they feel is real, and something is eating them. They aren't actually being eaten, they just feel as if they are being eaten, when they wake up they realize they were confused about what was real and what wasn't. (The difference between a person in a mental ward who thinks he can fly, but can not). One is actually happening, while the other is being perceived to happen, though is not.

If it turned out that for me reality was just my brain in a vat, then this reality, as well as the ones that were fictional such as dreams or delusions, would be false, and the reality in which my brain was in a vat would be true reality. This world I am in would become meaningless, unless I could somehow prove that the people around me were other brains in other vats connected to me.

When I WILD I am like you, I literally feel like I am getting out of my body. I no longer feel the tingly feelings one is supposed to feel, but I know of others who do not feel these anymore either. Sometimes I will simply float out of my body, other times I will stand up and get out of bed, other times I will create a hand that pulls myself out of the body. It really depends on what comes to mind when I WILD.

Yes, I exprience them just like you. But if I couldn't name it an OBE, then what is OBE ? WILD is defined as consciouslly entering a dream from an awake state of mind. What I have been doing is defined as WILD as well as an OBE because it fits to the definition and happens just like the same way. Well If you ask me, OBE is just a name to define what you are expriencing, definitely nothing like beyond dreaming. You just do it consciously and fully aware which is nothing we can underestimate as I think there is a huge difference btw a WILD and DILD. But If somebody tells me that s/he is expriencing the real world by of course giving a proof, then I would believe it is beyond dreaming.

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Yes, I exprience them just like you. But if I couldn't name it an OBE, then what is OBE ? WILD is defined as consciouslly entering a dream from an awake state of mind. What I have been doing is defined as WILD as well as an OBE because it fits to the definition and happens just like the same way. Well If you ask me, OBE is just a name to define what you are expriencing, definitely nothing like beyond dreaming. You just do it consciously and fully aware which is nothing we can underestimate as I think there is a huge difference btw a WILD and DILD. But If somebody tells me that s/he is expriencing the real world by of course giving a proof, then I would believe it is beyond dreaming.

Agreed. I just think WILD is more specific than OBE because OBE's are synonymous with NDE's and other types of phenomena, which people attribute to something far different than WILD.

Yeah

everything you did comes under psi by the way. has noone realised this? you can learn it on psipog.org and other sites aswell.

Originally Posted by slash112

everything you did comes under psi by the way. has noone realised this? you can learn it on psipog.org and other sites aswell.

Do you know anyone who has actually learned it?

Originally Posted by slash112

everything you did comes under psi by the way. has noone realised this? you can learn it on psipog.org and other sites aswell.

Read my earlier post describing my theory on how his experiences work. I think that will answer your question.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Do you know anyone who has actually learned it?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Vanota

Yes.

What is he able to do with it?