Habeas Corpus

**AcidBasick** · 10-07-2004 11:07 PM

A link was given out on this forum that links to a few psychic power videos. It can be found at PSIPog.

Under this media section, you can see a few folks doing a variety of entertaining tricks. Notice the word tricks.

The very first video demonstrates a person rotating a toothpick with some kind of telekinesis ability. Notice how they do not show the face of the individual 'moving' the toothpick. On obvious and logical explanation is that he is blowing on the object, causing it to roll in the direction of his breath. I then tested this theory myself, grabbing a toothpick and placing my hands in the same position as the individual in the movie. Lo and behold, the toothpick moved exactly as it did in the film. Try it yourself using careful blowing - it produces the same effect.

The second video is obviously a well known device known as a solar radiometer. Light from the sun, which can be seen as a reflection in the movie, enters into the sealed container and causes the pinwheel to rotate on the axis. Notice how the light is hitting directly on one side of the wheel. This pushes the object forward.

The third video is of a watch spinning on its top. This is another obvious blowing trick. If you don’t believe me, try it out yourself by first blowing on one side of the watch strap, and then alternating to reverse it.

Next we have a pen spinning being moved around on a desk surface. Again, this is a blowing trick.

We now have a image of a pocket knife floating above a hand. This is one that could have been forged a number of ways. The most logical being that someone threw a pocket knife into the air and snapped the picture just before it landed. In addition, it wouldn’t be difficult in the least to use some image manipulation software to place the knife above the hand and add a shadow.

The next are three more pinwheel tricks that are easily reproduced by blowing.

Finally, we have ‘pictures’ of PSI balls. These are more readily described as small dots of light that don’t show anything conclusive. If anyone requests, I will reproduce any one of these photographs in an image editing program.

What I'm asking for everyone that believes in or claims to have psychic abilities to come forward and detail exactly what they can do, when it occurs, how often it occurs, and what are the effects of it. If you can take some kind of photograph or movie of your stunt, all the better. Better then that would be some kind of document, online or otherwise, that tells or shows an activity of this type in action. I will then produce a completely rational explaination for your paranormal skills.

Mainly what bothers me about this part of the forum is you group lucid dreaming with your other 'abilities', when lucid dreaming is a scientifically tested and proven altered state of consciousness. I'm afraid that this is exactly how great things become disreputable. Logical people, being who they are, will then begin to believe that lucid dreaming is a part of those other notions of powers that, in all honesty, do not exist according to very popular belief.

It's all well and good that you enjoy deceiving yourselves, but don't be offended by others in this forum being skeptical. After all, you have the burden of proof; you are the ones claiming these great feats.

Habeas corpus - produce the body. It's your job to bring me the evidence that supports your case.

**Kaniaz** · 10-07-2004 11:23 PM

AcidBasick that was great. Post here more often.

Emphasis on the getting angry bit. too.

P.S: Don't forget the million dollar challenge topic. (Man, I'm glad I found that). You want to give us evidence, here's your chance...and you get $1 million dollars to boot.

**LucidApple** · 10-07-2004 11:33 PM

Originally posted by AcidBasick
I will then produce a completely rational explaination for your paranormal skills.

Thats your only flaw in your post, as far as i could notice one!
Because u dont know if you can, you presume that. You only know that you want to and can try to produce a rational explanation for someones so called claimed paranormal skills.
Else ppl could ask u if u are paranormal for future seeing events!

Further your topic and post rock!
Well done!

Jeff

**AcidBasick** · 10-08-2004 12:31 AM

P.S: Don't forget the million dollar challenge topic. (Man, I'm glad I found that). You want to give us evidence, here's your chance...and you get $1 million dollars to boot.[/b]

Thanks for the linkage!

Randi's Challenge is great in that it is very desirable and would definately be sought after by anyone with actual abilities - but thus far has been unattainable. Strange occurance with all these powers flowing around.

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I will then produce a completely rational explaination for your paranormal skills. [/b]

Thats your only flaw in your post, as far as i could notice one!
Because u dont know if you can, you presume that. [/b][/quote]
You're right, I am a bit presumptuous with that statement.

But I'm sure most can be explained, though.

**LucidApple** · 10-08-2004 12:37 AM

Yes, i think so to AcidBasick

Jeff

**reikigirl** · 10-08-2004 02:40 AM

Mainly what bothers me about this part of the forum is you group lucid dreaming with your other 'abilities', when lucid dreaming is a scientifically tested and proven altered state of consciousness.[/b]

Ummmm, you are posting in the Beyond Dreaming section are you not?

**AcidBasick** · 10-08-2004 03:02 AM

Originally posted by reikigirl

Mainly what bothers me about this part of the forum is you group lucid dreaming with your other 'abilities', when lucid dreaming is a scientifically tested and proven altered state of consciousness.

Ummmm, you are posting in the Beyond Dreaming section are you not?

[/b]

... I'm not sure I understand your point?

Should I restate that?

Here goes; "Mainly, what bothers me about you telling us of your abilities is that you place lucid dreaming into the categories of your paranormal abilities, not that you discuss the powers themselves. Lucid dreaming is NOT a paranormal ability. It has been tested under scientific conditions that prove it exists; whereas your powers of controlling objects, reading peoples minds, and creating energy from your fingertips have NOT been proven. A recent example of this can be found within this currently running thread on what PSI abilities you have. Lucid dreaming is not a PSI ability."

**LucidApple** · 10-08-2004 04:19 AM

I think she means that at this part of the forum, beyond lucid dreaming topics like the paranormal are allowed.
A bit like, if this forum wouldnt want such topics then this section wouldnt be there.

Jeff

**wer** · 10-08-2004 05:21 AM

I am very open to all your beliefs, and I agree that many of those videos were faked. But many were not. I don't really care if there real or not, I have my own proff, thats anough for meh!

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