If Arne deserves to be banned, there are a few people in this thread that asked for it too. It's not like impoliteness was dealt out by only one side. My 2 cents.
If Arne deserves to be banned, there are a few people in this thread that asked for it too. It's not like impoliteness was dealt out by only one side. My 2 cents.
O? Where do I start?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
IMO you haven't treated Arne to a level playing field in this thread. I think you have let past history cloud your judgment somewhat.
I can't believe you've banned him, I really can't. Not for anything in this thread, anyway.
I don't know anything about his history with you, but just from what I've seen in this thread, I am amazed at your reaction. It must have been something very insulting to you in your history with him, that's all I can say..
So.. it's his "attitude". I didn't pick up on any "attitude" as such from Arne in this thread, I really didn't. IMO all the strong "attitudes" were coming from several others, including, I have to say, yourself. I'm just calling it how I see it, on the evidence of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Ah.. okay. Well.. I have to say again that any strong feelings of self-righteousness weren't coming from Arne, IMO. Placebo, space cadet, moonshine, yes, though. IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Anyway.. when I first read about his banning I went off for a while so that I wouldn't post a knee jerk reaction.
I checked out a UK angling website in which there has been a heated discussion going on about Transgender.
Blow me down, if the following wasn't the first post I read.
Synchronicity, or what?:roll:
I post it in the original, so forgive the man his spelling etc.
QUOTE chesters1: "most of this thread is about intangible stuff (in a head in this case) you can write reams of "proof" on supositional topics knowing full well you wont be proved incorrect as its impossible to read minds ,know what goes on inside the skull bar physical actions ,what next proof that dreams are real? when you dream your flying you actually invisibly are? those with vested interests can bring up bits and bobs from the web but all in this case are no more than opinions of so called experts explaining what may be the cause of this or that but proving it (as they well know) is just as impossible to them as their opposites with opinions of their own."
Common sense prevails.
A good result.
The past contributed to the outcome, as it does with all members in (give or take) all circumstances. Whether or not that counts as the past clouding my judgment is, I suppose, up to interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
It was not only this thread. It is the (seemingly unacknowledged) fact that this is basically all arne does, and he isn't shy about being abrasive about it. He offers up topics which, by default, insult large percentages of the DV community - often with absolutely no conversational evidence to back him up, and plays the role of "Well, the only way I'm going to let this go is if you do my tasks." He's cryptic about having any conversation unless it is by his rules, and still continues to promote paradigms like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
He was much less abrasive this time, true, but coming off of that type of disposition and then still inciting controversy for the same "do my tasks" agenda that he used to flood the forum with (To say nothing of his posts in other threads, just look at the threads he's started in the past - multiple threads in short periods of time on the same exact thing); still using the same "I'll only answer who I want and ignore any opposition's points on the matter" M.O.. How do you not expect me, and others, to see him as a troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by arne_saknussemm
Most of my personal experience with him was in the "Fighting in Dreams," thread, where he made (IMHO) a pompous ass out of himself; again, with the exact same M.O. You were there. Perhaps you didn't feel the way about his demeanor as I did, but that, too, is compounded on conversations about him that have taken place in the staff area, back when the previous crew was around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
It is a combination of things. The attitude was no so much in his demeanor, as it has been in the past. It was in that he was basically going about the same thing he has always been doing - telling much of the community that we know nothing and/or are liars, and shutting the door to any type of discussion to the contrary on anyone who doesn't agree to jump through his hoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
And you saw nothing "trollish" about his starting a thread saying that everybody on this site who believes DC's are products of the mind is wrong (not 'presenting the idea' but stead-fastly making the claim) and then completely ignoring the number of people who tried genuinely questioning him about his view (and yes, he did ignore them)? His participation in the thread basically went:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Arne: "Hey, you people that think your DCs are products of your mind...you're all wrong."
Then, after a bunch of people responded, trying to discuss why they are 'wrong,' (and archdreamer said something along the lines of "Another arne thread, this'll be good for a laugh," which I let go because, after the way arne carried himself in the "Fighting In Dreams" thread, I didn't have high hopes for this thread either), he responded with something like:
Arne: "Oh, I'm not going to tell you. That would be pointless. Do my tasks and find out (again, back to his original agenda)."
He basically feels that it's his position to come in here, tell us we know nothing and that the only way we can prove that we do is by "working for him" (that is to say: helping further his own research).
Who would not expect adversity toward someone who conducts themself this way?
Would you allow someone in your community to act that way, if that was all they did? If they never contributed anything other than basically preaching to your community that they are uniformed/ignorant - and that the only way to change said person's mind about it is to jump through hoops for them - would that be someone that you would burden your community with, after you, yourself, had seen that the way he carried himself was disruptive?
If he was actually an integrated member of the community - and shown himself to be hospitable(sp?) and social to others - that would be one thing, but if the only time you see this guy is when he's pedalling that sort of controversial/cryptic pomp, would you not try to get the message across that this is not something you wanted going on in the community (or at least, not in that manner)?
I don't quite get where you are going with this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Are you implying that I don't understand the possibility of DC's being conscious entities? I'm open to the possibilities, and have stated so many times on this forum. (To be honest, I believe your sticking up for him might be more based on this possible misconception than an actual inability to understand why I had a problem with him. That is only my opinion, though.) I'm also open to discussion with anyone who feels that DC's most likely are conscious. No problem there. (Though it helps if they, themself, acknowledge the possibility that they are not) What I'm not open to is someone saying:
"Well guess what. You're wrong. What? You want me to tell you why you're wrong, and have some sort of discussion about it, as if I couldn't prove that you don't know what you're talking about? No. If you want me to prove it, you must do exactly what I tell you. If you try to find out through discussion, I will ignore you. If you bring up your own evidence as to why I might be wrong, I will ignore it. The only way for me to stop telling you how uniformed you are is to do what I say. Period."
I have a problem with that. No, those were not his words, but that was his method.
Now - with all that being said - Arne's ban was completely my own doing, so I will talk to the staff and ask if his (temporary, mind you) banning was out of line, and if it's deemed so, I will lift it. Admittedly, I'm not above bias, so I will get some other views on it. There will probably be those of you who think that they are just going to back me, because I'm on staff with them, but I'm sure they will have no problems with stating their own opinions on it.
If I'm wrong, I have no problem with retracting it.
Basically, don't mess with O.
:P
*cough* dramaqueens *cough*
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Originally Posted by gigaschatten
Uh-oh.
Maybe Arne's persuaded our DC's to "get us" next time we dream.:eek:
Are we going to have a False Awakening in which we find a horses head in bed next to us :lol:
Now can you ban this guy? Please?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by moonshine
Or just close the thread, as this is getting ridiculously petty.Quote:
Originally Posted by benTENDO
Speaking of horses... let's not flog a dead one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamQueen