Thread: OBE dangerous?

How would that be possible?

Just think about it for a minute. Does she have any proof? =]

Mine thinks I'll seizure and that it could be some ooglyboogly stuff. Either way that is dumb. (No offense to your mom.)

Worst thing that can happen in WILDS is false awakening, which RARELY leads to peeing your pants...

If someone dies, how can they tell us that they couldn't get back to their body?

Also, (from what I understand) it is fairly difficult to find yourself out of body if you aren't trying.

Tell your mum the truth, that OBE's are just lucid false awakenings.
Theres no chance of being trapped outside the body.
But theres a chance you could get trapped inside your brain I suppose.

tell her NOTHING. false awakenings are not dangerous however I doubt that that will convince her- tell her you've stopped having those 'weird dreams'.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Tell your mum the truth, that OBE's are just lucid false awakenings.
Theres no chance of being trapped outside the body.
But theres a chance you could get trapped inside your brain I suppose.

I find it hard to say that this is the truth.

The only danger I heard about regarding OBEs is that the exit sensations can be too exciting for people with a heart condition. Anyhow, if anyone ever died because of an OBE, we probably would never know. Observers would only find the body of someone who apparently died in his sleep. Happens quite a lot actually.

Well, my mom told me that someone told her about OBEs but OBEs are a fake sensation, right? We don't actually get out of our bodies but simply feel like it?

It's just that if we actually get out of our body well then its as much possible that you can get stuck out of it but anyways, I'm kind of comfused about the OBE part.

The WILD thing doesn't have anything to do with the OBE thing, its just that when she learned I was doing that kind of stuff she was scared I would try to get out of my body.

She's really stressed out these days so I think it would be good for her to practice LDing.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

We don't actually get out of our bodies but simply feel like it?

Exactly. I agreed with Moonshine until the third sentence.

The WILD thing doesn't have anything to do with the OBE thing, its just that when she learned I was doing that kind of stuff she was scared I would try to get out of my body.

She's really stressed out these days so I think it would be good for her to practice LDing.

Some people choose to believe that ghosts, demons, and OBE's are real. I suggest not trying to fight their faith, especially if it is a relative or friend who believes it.

Tell her that you aren't going out of body. Also, tell her that lucid dreaming actually prevents "getting stuck out of body" from happening. If you are lucid dreaming, then you are in your head. If you become "lucid" during an "OBE," then you can get "back into your body" at any time because you know that you are dreaming.

Hope that helps. Remember, here's the selling point: lucid dreaming makes dreams and sleep paralysis safer.

You were really helpful.

Why does the forum has a whole part about OBEs if they aren't really real. Not having a body in a dream is somehow the same thing than not having the same body or seeing your body from a third point of view?

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

You were really helpful.

Why does the forum has a whole part about OBEs if they aren't really real. Not having a body in a dream is somehow the same thing than not having the same body or seeing your body from a third point of view?

The sensation is very real.
Our minds perception of what is real and what is not under certain circumstances can be very obscure.
If the mind believes something to be true it is - even if it aint.
Meaning the mind perceiving the incident believes it to be true. So in that sense the out of body EXPERIENCE is true. The actaul event may not.

So far there just is no substantial evidence to support the fact that OBEs do happen. But because many people often experience this sensation there will always be the quest to find out if there is some science behind the feeling.

SP is all together different. That is a physiological circumstance.

When OBE are out of the way, just hope she doesn't think of other dangers...


Unfortunately, I think some people simply can't deal with certain topics. I was surprised that my friends or family didn't undertand the concept or the "awesomness" of lucid dreaming, when I told them after I discovered it.
Now I just keep it to myself... I think the best for you is to never talk about it anymore, or even pretend you stopped.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

You were really helpful.

Why does the forum has a whole part about OBEs if they aren't really real. Not having a body in a dream is somehow the same thing than not having the same body or seeing your body from a third point of view?

I'm not sure why we have that forum. I think it is because the phenomenal nature of lucid dreaming can attract people who also enjoy paranormal topics. I proposed a study on OBEs, but nobody took it up. I wonder why.

Unfortunately, I think some people simply can't deal with certain topics. I was surprised that my friends or family didn't undertand the concept or the "awesomness" of lucid dreaming, when I told them after I discovered it.
Now I just keep it to myself... I think the best for you is to never talk about it anymore, or even pretend you stopped.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, same here. It's hard for me to believe that people cannot see the 'awesomeness' of lucid dreaming. It's the coolest thing I've ever heard of and its true! What's so weird, is that I should keep that awesomeness to myself. i'm the kind of person that has to talk about his experience. It's going to be so hard for me to understand that no one gives a shit and for the sake of what they think I have left in my head, I should hide the most enjoyable part of my life. Seriously, it feels weird when you go around and everyone tells you to just pretend you;ve stopped and things like that... I guess if I really need to talk to someone about me LDs I'll tell it to you guys and all the DCs I meet. Their answers should be interresting...

Originally Posted by Abra

I'm not sure why we have that forum. I think it is because the phenomenal nature of lucid dreaming can attract people who also enjoy paranormal topics. I proposed a study on OBEs, but nobody took it up. I wonder why.

I looked at it and I personnaly think it is a good idea. Do you know anyone that could do it with you?

Whoever does it and how, it will never be 100% sure that they didn't lie. This is more like something you should do for your own and then try to find people that believe you. You don't need a bystander. You could look at something you've never looked and then when you wake up, look at the same thing.

eg: Something in your neighbours house or something...

Depends what do you mean by OBE. You can achieve a state that correspondes with the things that are seen to fit in OBE's definition without going to sleepstate.

For example I use drumming and songchanting to achieve trance where you can get to similar state what I have seen OBEs are. I don't talk them as OBE or AP since they are terms that I am not used to and don't know much about.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Why does the forum has a whole part about OBEs if they aren't really real.

Oh come on, real and illusive are two words that mean the same. The only difference is that real is used when you believe in it and illusive if you don't, but that's a completely individual thing. You should really try to look beyond your own nose.

Yeah, same here. It's hard for me to believe that people cannot see the 'awesomeness' of lucid dreaming. It's the coolest thing I've ever heard of and its true! What's so weird, is that I should keep that awesomeness to myself. i'm the kind of person that has to talk about his experience. It's going to be so hard for me to understand that no one gives a shit and for the sake of what they think I have left in my head, I should hide the most enjoyable part of my life. Seriously, it feels weird when you go around and everyone tells you to just pretend you;ve stopped and things like that... I guess if I really need to talk to someone about me LDs I'll tell it to you guys and all the DCs I meet. Their answers should be interresting...

exactly the same here- it was very strange at first but now I try to treat ppl here in the exact same way some people treat DC's that don't believe they are part of my imagination- I just "play along". Kinda fun actually since you get that extra "dimension" that other people don't have- makes them look flat somehow.

lol

I think your mom is more scared that you wont get back to your body from a OBE. I assume she bases this idea on fear.

As the others have said. If you have a OBE and cant get back to your body. Well how the hell are other people suppose to know that you had a OBE in the first place, of which you couldn't return to your body.

Also from my understanding when you have a OBE your "Spirit" will always be linked back to your body Via your subconscious. Unless your SC doesn't like you, chances are it will pull you back just fine.

I personally almost had a OBE once, i was completely aware of it and felt my spirit leaving my body. It wasen't something i imagined. But ive never completely left my body yet, i hope too some day. But with the prospect of returning.

Also, well you know what, we all have to die some day, no need to live in fear of death. Maybe OBEs are just a way for us to be more prepared for death

Originally Posted by TheMoon

As the others have said. If you have a OBE and cant get back to your body. Well how the hell are other people suppose to know that you had a OBE in the first place, of which you couldn't return to your body.

so how do you differentiate between an OBE and a FA? I've had 2 'series' of false awakenings (I'd wake up multiple times and did a nose RC to realise I was still dreaming) and I knew for a fact I was still dreaming- and that I was INSIDE my head even though everything around me was soo real. OBE's are just what ppl who don't know what FA's are call FA's. But yes, I agree with you that they prepare you for death since many budhist texts describe one stage of death as a long OBE experience. So basically- OBE's do, in my humble opinion, exist but I think that only near or during death, but 99.99999% of reported OBE's are just false awakenings/dreams/etc - even ppl in surgery who report these things in fact just have , mostly, drug induced dreams.

If you did a RC in an OBE, the you would know if its true or not.... Just thinking...

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

If you did a RC in an OBE, the you would know if its true or not.... Just thinking...

so if it's a 'true' OBE then reality checks won't work? I wonder what studies prove this

Well, if when you read something during an OBE and it doesn't change when you read it again or if you all the alarm clocks in the house give the same time and that the minutes go by at a normal speed, then it would mean the OBE your having is real...

Shouldn't "OBE" stuff be in Beyond Dreaming?
I don't think this should be in General Lucid Discussion.

Originally Posted by Abra

Exactly. I agreed with Moonshine until the third sentence.

Third sentence t'was a wee joke BTW.