First PROPER OBE OOO YEAH!! lol

Hey there, I've had my first lucid dreams for months now, and the first ones I had all had different kinds of Hypnagogic-SP Hallucinations to it. They're just HH (i think) that happened when I went through SP but failed to enter a lucid dream; or succeeded in doing so.

The ones where I feel like I'm spinning or being sucked into somewhere LOL arguably counts as a form of OBE, but my true proper OBEs only came to me recently.

The first proper one happened recently was when I fell asleep in bed, but woke up many hours later. I was lingering between falling asleep again and awake.

I start to get those really noisy "headrush" that feels like strong wind hitting my face but also going through my skull, then everything went dark and I felt a presence of a creature with bright eyes like a balrog from LOTR (though I doubt I actually saw vision like that, could be I really wanted to see something evil lol), and I felt like i was spining fowards with my body laid flat and aligned like a bullet.

As if it was not proper enough, on Monday night the same happened again; only after the short headrush and struggle to move I feel like I was being pulled out of my bed and next thing I know I was floating flat on my belly through mid-air through my bedroom window. It was too dark to see anything but it felt SO real. I had the impression I saw myself laying in bed, but not too sure of that. But strangely enough I didn't feel the freezing cold outside.

I then "woke up" back in bed, but then the same happened again, again, and again. It didn't stop until after the 5th time LMAO. :bowdown:

Cool. You got an entity too, it seems. :shock:

I don't frequent this forum much, but I've had a similar experience of rising out of body (after thinking about OBEs and that I'd like to have one to affirm they exist). My vision wasn't perfect, but in a way it was...not like we are used to in waking life though.

But I wasn't out long and through... (didn't think I should be frightened) I zapped back into body and woke up.

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Originally Posted by DeepBlue

Cool. You got an entity too, it seems. :shock:

I don't frequent this forum much, but I've had a similar experience of rising out of body (after thinking about OBEs and that I'd like to have one to affirm they exist). My vision wasn't perfect, but in a way it was...not like we are used to in waking life though.

But I wasn't out long and through... (didn't think I should be frightened) I zapped back into body and woke up.

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Yeah it doesn't feel like you're really out of your body and perceiving the things around you like you normally do. I believe in our souls and that it can detach from our body but I'm skeptic whether the OBE I had was merely an OBE or actually astral projection (i.e. my soul detaching) on a very crappy level.:bowdown:

They're the same thing. And your experiences sound like mere LDs. Can you provide more information?

I hope this leads to more, similar, experiences. Maybe you're reaching a new level in your dream work.

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Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

They're the same thing. And your experiences sound like mere LDs.

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Sorry I don't really get what you meant as "same things".

Do you mean all the OBEs (whether just having the feeling of moving when you actually are not, and the serious ones when you actually feel like dropping onto hard floor from your bed or watching your body in 3rd person) have your spiritual self actually detached?

Or...did you mean to say that OBEs and Astral Projections are the same?

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Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Can you provide more information??

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What d'you wanna know? lol
Well, when I felt I drifted out of my room, I didn't actually go through the headrush as I did before, at least it didn't feel as serious. I also didn't see any balrog-like things or "shadow people" or whatever cos it was really dark with the lights off.
I was actually already asleep and I just kind of went conscious for some unknown reason, then the drifting came on.

Sorry I kind of mixed different OBES up a little :)

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I hope this leads to more, similar, experiences.

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You know what, I actually did have another like a week after my first post.
It was exactly the same except I had my eyes closed when it happened, and except I was thinking "Oh no not again, please don't drift out in the snow again....LOL:boogie:" and for some reason I found my back against a corner between the wall and the ceiling, and then I "went back in my body" lol

It almost felt like I had harnessed the OBE somehow...:bowdown:

The weird thing about them is I somehow reach consciousness when nothing seemed to have been able to do so (I'm a DEAD-DEEP sleeper), so it almost seemed like my mind woke cos the OBE was happening!:eek::shock:

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Maybe you're reaching a new level in your dream work.

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Thanks, I'm not sure if I'm ready for it though, I told my Kung Fu Master (who's experienced in Buddhist-Taoist meditation, Chi-gong and stuff) about my LDing, and he warned me to be careful since I seem to be gifted and sensitive to these kind of stuff, and because of my religion.

What he explained about that was when people AProject, they see entities that are perspective to their beliefs, as in Christians will see churches, monks, Jesus and God, while Buddhists will see Buddhas LOL.

And regardless of whether they are truly some spirits or just imagination in dreaming, they tend to take different forms when the person is an atheist or Patheist or something. And he thinks that if the person has a messed-up or sinister mind then they'll see some scary shit. :shock::bowdown:

But I wonder if you meant "a new level" by something akin AProjection or something :D.

I've always assumed it is impossible for us to have experiences like this if we are not yet ready for them. I'm always wary of anyone who tries to tell me I should hold myself back.

I think out of body experiences are a higher level of consciousness, and a step towards a more complete understanding of the mind/body relationship. Philosophy aside, it is amazing to experience your awareness, or sense of self, separate from your actual physical body.

I had my second OBE last week, my SP cycle seems to be back around as I was getting some LD's and FA's the previous days.

Anyways I was falling asleep and I herd the noise of a very loud fly buzzing round my room and head, then as the noise/fly landed on me the noise turned into a loud pitched noise (the usualy SP noise) and as this noise changed I sensed for some silly reason that it was a UFO tracker that had locked onto me and now had me under paralysis... obviously my heart was racing more than ever lol!

I had been in the SP for a few mins trying to relax and drift off to sleep when I decided to try and get out of my body (I had done this once before), at first I relaxed and then suddenly rolled out the bed, I remember thinking "haha i'm out"

I was then standing next to my bed looking at my door which was open (I knew this door was actually closed) I could see my hands quite clearly, I then looked to my right and viewed the clothes that where hanging over my chair.

As I was looking at the chair there was a white light in the centre of my vision but everything else was dark like the room in general, I then turned all the way round and seen myself laying in bed but couldn't make out great detail because of this light in my vision.

I then focused on the light and realised that it was the moon light shining through my bedroom window and infact my eyes where open in bed and that's what I was seening, at this point the OBE was over and I was back in SP paralysis.

I personally believe OBE'S are a combination of LD and hallucination but a great thing to experience!

I had my first and only OBE when I was 9. I was sitting in the living room on the couch. My parents had stepped outside to do something, so it was just me in the house. I remember the house was so quiet, the tv was off and it was just total silence. So I am just daydreaming and staring at the wall. Then this feeling of total relaxation comes over me. Followed by a warm sensation. Then it felt like I grew taller. I kept looking down at my knees and they got farther and farther away. When I looked up I was at the ceiling, and when I looked back down I saw myself sitting on the couch. This lasted for about a minute. Then my parents came back into the house and I lost my focus. It was like I was pulled back down, then everything was normal again.

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Originally Posted by Green_Mamba

I had my first and only OBE when I was 9. I was sitting in the living room on the couch. My parents had stepped outside to do something, so it was just me in the house. I remember the house was so quiet, the tv was off and it was just total silence. So I am just daydreaming and staring at the wall. Then this feeling of total relaxation comes over me. Followed by a warm sensation. Then it felt like I grew taller. I kept looking down at my knees and they got farther and farther away. When I looked up I was at the ceiling, and when I looked back down I saw myself sitting on the couch. This lasted for about a minute. Then my parents came back into the house and I lost my focus. It was like I was pulled back down, then everything was normal again.

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Interesting, one question, do you think you might have somehow hallucinated it? Reason I ask is because skeptics always use hallucination or say that an OBE is just an LD, so, I'm curious to whether OBEs are indeed a form of hallucination or not :P

If you're familiar with the HI dream body, then you should have noticed that the moment you get your dream body, you are pretty much in the dream.

You should also have noticed that the dream was built around the last image you were aware of in your HI before you got a dream body.

Sometimes you skip the HI stage, or it just lacks visuals, so while the dream would normally form around the HI your were just focused on, instead it builds around the next available thing you were focused on. Being in your bed, your room or your house.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

You should also have noticed that the dream was built around the last image you were aware of in your HI before you got a dream body.

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I don't think this is true for ALL dreams. Definately most of them though.

The mind can wonder, making some dreams random.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

If you're familiar with the HI dream body, then you should have noticed that the moment you get your dream body, you are pretty much in the dream.

You should also have noticed that the dream was built around the last image you were aware of in your HI before you got a dream body.

Sometimes you skip the HI stage, or it just lacks visuals, so while the dream would normally form around the HI your were just focused on, instead it builds around the next available thing you were focused on. Being in your bed, your room or your house.

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This is exactly the reason that I am starting to have my doubts about whether OBEs are actual astral projection. MY other reason is that it seems too easy to enter the astral plane if all you had to do was try to get to SP and leave your body, even though I know it still takes time and practice :P

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Originally Posted by BigFan

Interesting, one question, do you think you might have somehow hallucinated it? Reason I ask is because skeptics always use hallucination or say that an OBE is just an LD, so, I'm curious to whether OBEs are indeed a form of hallucination or not :P

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I have never considered that. To me, hallucinations is something I associated with drugs or dehydration. If it was an hallucination, what could have caused it?

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

If you're familiar with the HI dream body, then you should have noticed that the moment you get your dream body, you are pretty much in the dream.

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I'm actually not at all familiar with the HI dream body, it sounds interesting though. I tried googling it, but the links it gave me didnt really tell me much. How can I find out more about this?

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Originally Posted by Green_Mamba

I have never considered that. To me, hallucinations is something I associated with drugs or dehydration. If it was an hallucination, what could have caused it?

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Not sure, lol :P

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Originally Posted by Green_Mamba

I'm actually not at all familiar with the HI dream body, it sounds interesting though. I tried googling it, but the links it gave me didnt really tell me much. How can I find out more about this?

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At some point HI becomes a full dream. The main difference between the two is that with HI you are an observer, but in a dream, you are part of the scene and have a body. So the moment HI becomes a dream is the moment you get a dream body.

And right when that happens, you get the feeling of leaving your body. Sometime you'll get the sensation of phantom limbs during HI in addition to your real ones that you can move around somewhat. OBE techniques are great for when that happens, with stuff like rolling out of your body. But I always roll out into a dream.

Personally I wish i'd roll out into a dreamscape, I always roll out into my bedroom and it's all dark and freaky!

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

Yeah it doesn't feel like you're really out of your body and perceiving the things around you like you normally do. I believe in our souls and that it can detach from our body but I'm skeptic whether the OBE I had was merely an OBE or actually astral projection (i.e. my soul detaching) on a very crappy level.:bowdown:

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i've read its a common problem to not be able to see clearly; as if your sight is fogged, sometimes not being able to see at all.
if this happens again, try concentrating really hard on seeing clearly.
command your astral eyeballs to see....

astral eyeballs... lol!!!