Astral Combat

**Songbird** · 03-08-2009 12:51 AM

Hey, guys. I seem to be in a predicament. I've been reading this book about astral combat called:

"Techniques of Astral combat: An Analysis of the Astral Planes"

Its written by this guy who says that he has to hide his identity because he is a part of an ancient astral warrior thing, but is breaking an oath to write the book because they need help.

And it makes sense, but the thing is it doesnt check out. I cant find ANY societies or mentions of them anywhere. One would think that the astral warriors would have a website or something, or some wannabe fanclub or forum, if they write a book about it.

And theres typos and its self-published. And its written horribly.

But it makes so much sense, its so frustrating.

Near the end, it gets a little like world of warcraft. Like he wants people to hop on his made up thing.

So I need you guys' advice on it.

Keep in mind that he offers a different point of view of the astralness, and he comes off as sounding dogmatic, but it's only to present his view.

I got it off a torrent here:

http://www.torrentreactor.net/torren...ion-53-E-books

you can get it from really any torrent, just google it.
Google books has a little bit of it, too.

Ha! Found some more evidence on the subject.

This is an excerpt from a forum so you dont have to sift through all the shit:

"Astral combat:
This refers to actually fighting evil spirits on their own plane of existence. It can happen while meditating in a dream like state, while asleep, or otherwise astral projecting or having an out of body experience. There are several types of astral combat, and I will try to cover them all. feel free to post any questions or even pm me.

Energy contests:
An energy contest can happen between humans or human vs spirit. It involves focusing your energy to overcome your opponent. If you can focus the energy of your own soul and aura, you can then project that energy and attempt to engulf an enemy in it. In these contests whomever has the strongest combination of energy, knowledge, and force of will is most likely to win. Keep in mind that since spirits live astrally 24/7 they always have a greater knowledge with extremely few minor exceptions.

Projected weapon:
This works similarly to the energy contest, but the combatants form their spirit energy into weapons and weapon-like forms and battle each other after the fashion of the physical world. Energy, knowledge, and force of will are again the main determining factors, but skill plays a larger role than it does in a basic energy contest. Typical weapons are swords and dagger-like bladed weapons.

Realistic battles:
These appear to be normal battles as one would have in the physical realm, with some dream-like qualities to it. It takes place in a pocket dimension in the spirit world that is constructed by thoughts, emotions and memories of the combatants. It could appear to be in any time frame, but in my experience medieval settings are most common. Opponents look human, though they are often spirits. In fact it is very rare for two human souls to battle this way. These can be so realistic, that upon waking, one might suffer physical symptoms similar to those experienced during a panic attack: rapid pulse, irrational fear, shaking, inability to speak, and others. These are almost always temporary; in fact, I have only heard of one case where permanent physical damage was done.

Supernatural battles:
These can appear almost exactly the same and have the same effects as the realistic battles. The difference is that there are more than just minor dream-like qualities to it. Spirits may appear in their true forms, one might battle against monsters. Otherworldly weapons may be involved. These can be extremely strange, scary, and possibly dangerous. It is the most dangerous form of astral combat; for example, a demon in its true form could cause lasting damage; damage it would not do if it was in a realistic battle in human form. You could expect to fight shadow monsters, wizards, dragons, or any number of other bizzare and deadly creatures here. AVOID if at all possible. If you realize you are in an astral battle, you can easily flee to your body. Its just like waking up from a lucid dream.

Specifics of types of astral combat and examples of their uses

Energy contests: These are very basic and happen all the time. Ever fight off an urge to do something you would not normally do? If so then you have fought and won an energy contest. It helps to picture your own energy aura, then try to find the energy trying to get through it. Picture how your aura moves, and try to see the opposing one if you can. You can, by concentrating, control how your aura moves, and focus it upon the area being attacked. Concetrate your aura in any weak points. It will seem to become thicker or darker, less likely to let anything in. Shielding will be exceptionally useful in this battle, so use it if you know how. (A shielding tutorial will be coming soon after this one). Once you determine where the attack is coming from, focus your aura in that direction, sending your energy to overcome it. If the other combatant does not give up and leave, your energy will strike it, causing it to weaken until it is forced away. Maintaining concentration is a key factor in successful energy contests.

Projected weapon: As I stated above, this is almost the same as an energy contest. A key difference is that it happens astrally or in a meditative state more often than not. You will often see your opponent, and even seem to fight them as you might fight someone in the physical realm. The weapons used will be spiritual ones. Often, energy balls will be used as weapons, and shielding can be key to success. Someone's spiritual weapon will likely be the same color as their aura, and translucent (like a lightsaber). This is almost always going to be a one on one battle. There can be physical reactions to the battle, such as shaking; or flinching as if physically hit. There will be no physical damage from the battle, unless a twitch of the body causes you to strike an object in the physical. "

- http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...owtopic=122683

**Spi** · 03-08-2009 01:14 AM

Heeeeeeeey!!! Interesting find! I'm currently hungry for some knowledge and I'm sure this is something interesting to check out on. (Might be something I'll try in the near future...!)

**Songbird** · 03-08-2009 01:21 AM

thanks, man.

I finally found a site for a lodge, but apparently its a bit different than he describes. The person that founded the lodge wrote on the book review of the "astral combat" on amazon, saying that she/he (has one of those both-gendered names) used to recommend it to her/his students, but it wasn't all that great because it confined them or something.

http://www.nolava.org/spiritualwarri...arriorhome.htm

**Ahhchuu** · 03-08-2009 02:54 AM

all i do is run from entities i never tried fighting them. not like im an astral pro but ive had dreams with entities that want my soul or some shit. i just end up teleporting out of the dream, its a self deffense mecanism or somthing my subconcious made up.(i dont find out where i teleport to i vanish)

**The Cusp** · 03-08-2009 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Songbird

And theres typos and its self-published. And its written horribly.

I just skimmed it briefly, but I found it to be very well written. Perhaps it deals with too many concepts you aren't quite familiar with?

From that brief skim of the text, it does seem to be fairly accurate with what I know of dream combat. I like the part where he says swords make more effective weapons in dreams than shotguns, simply because swords have a better established archetype supporting them. I've been trying to explain that for awhile now. Anything you attempt in dreams will be more powerful and more reliable if it has a well established archetype behind it.

Also the part about entities manifesting with fangs and claws, simply because they know that fangs and claws invoke a sense of danger, or menacing threat. That's how you do it, what dream combat is all about, and how my personal encounters with NS unfolded. Not always claws or fangs, but they always use something that incorporates a negative theme. For instance, one of them would always pose as an interrogator/torturer, which in theory creates a scenario where he is in control.

I'll read the whole thing tomorrow.

**WakataDreamer** · 03-08-2009 05:25 AM

Wait... are we talking about dream combat (in which case this is not Beyond Dreaming material) or astral combat (combat IRL while having forced your soul out of your body and are currently experiencing life as that soul)?

'Cause The Cusp talked about it like it was just fighting in dreams, and so did Ahhchuu.

**Songbird** · 03-08-2009 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I just skimmed it briefly, but I found it to be very well written. Perhaps it deals with too many concepts you aren't quite familiar with?

No, I'm familiar with the concepts. There are just some things like the typos and some sentences that were clearly not edited at all. And at the end, it seems like he just wants to get long winded and emotional to end it with a bang. What I meant, though I may have exaggerated, is that it seems like something anyone would write. And its weird that he claims to have collaboratively written the book but it seems like no-one looked it over.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Wait... are we talking about dream combat (in which case this is not Beyond Dreaming material) or astral combat (combat IRL while having forced your soul out of your body and are currently experiencing life as that soul)?

'Cause The Cusp talked about it like it was just fighting in dreams, and so did Ahhchuu.

well... the title is astral combat, so I hope we're talking about fighting entities.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

From that brief skim of the text, it does seem to be fairly accurate with what I know of dream combat.

Nice. Do you mean dream or astral combat?
What do you know about it?
And do you have any resources like books or sites that you could enlighten us with?

Let me know what you think about the book, it has some differences in regard to the soul and also with benevolent entities that some people regard as disconcerting.

**The Cusp** · 03-08-2009 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Wait... are we talking about dream combat (in which case this is not Beyond Dreaming material) or astral combat (combat IRL while having forced your soul out of your body and are currently experiencing life as that soul)?

'Cause The Cusp talked about it like it was just fighting in dreams, and so did Ahhchuu.

Well, the book is about Astral Combat, but from what I can tell, it works the exact same way as Dream combat. Personally I think the astral realm is just a dream anyways, along with real life.

If they all work in exactly the same way, I fail to see the need to make a distinction.

Originally Posted by Songbird

And do you have any resources like books or sites that you could enlighten us with?

Sorry, don't know of any resources that will help, unless you count my Nature of Dream Control thread (http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283). I pretty much worked it out on my own through experimentation after having had my butt repeatedly kicked by NS. But it's nice to see that other people have reached the same conclusions.

Goddamn that's a good book! Just what i needed to read! It's given me some insight into the dynamics of shared dreaming, and even explains the mysterious platonic solids dreams I had as a kid. Won't be able to read it all today, but I highly recommend it.

According to that book, the only difference between normal dreaming and astral is how far you travel. Similar to what Castaneda says, that the assemblage point moves slightly during sleep. THe greater the displacement, the more bizarre the dream.

**WakataDreamer** · 03-08-2009 08:45 PM

I think it's not an IRL experience of out-of-body soul travel in a different dimension.

The most probable explanation to me is that it's just the next level of dreaming or something, like the Cusp said.

It's a higher type of dream.

**Songbird** · 03-09-2009 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Goddamn that's a good book! Just what i needed to read! It's given me some insight into the dynamics of shared dreaming, and even explains the mysterious platonic solids dreams I had as a kid. Won't be able to read it all today, but I highly recommend it.

According to that book, the only difference between normal dreaming and astral is how far you travel. Similar to what Castaneda says, that the assemblage point moves slightly during sleep. THe greater the displacement, the more bizarre the dream.

I'm glad that you are interested in this, too. Lets be friends

What do you mean by platonic solid dreams?

Now that I've heard allot more about this, I'm allot more convinced about this "astral/spiritual warrior" thing. I'm excited that it seems to actually exist!

I found a site on dreamwalking. Apparently its very different than astral projection and is dangerous. But thats cool.

http://www.geocities.com/phoenix_mys...amwalking.html

**no-Name** · 03-09-2009 03:06 AM

Ok, this is getting ridiculous.

Songbird; you've made three triple posts in this thread. Please use the edit button.

**Songbird** · 03-09-2009 05:01 AM

will do. Sorry.

I've been working on my knowledge of archetypes like the author was saying. Theres this site that compiles all the archetypes ever together... for 100 dollars a year

Does anyone have any resources on archetypes that actually works? I dont mean dream dictionaries, I mean like, encyclopedias and stuff. But something I can browse through, not like wikipedia. Though wiki will be helpful if I'm just looking for a specific archetype...

**CrescentFox** · 03-09-2009 10:11 AM

If there's spelling mistakes, the book is obviously not legit and probably crap. Although I can still see why you would keep your suspicions up if you think it makes sense.

Try doing more reasearch on different OBE/Astral projection authors and see if they have anything in common with this one.

**Songbird** · 03-09-2009 05:10 PM

Thats what I've been doing, and it looks legit.
The author was self-published, so even though he has spelling mistakes and stuff, he mostly checks out with the general understanding with spiritual warriorship. So I think its mostly good.

**The Cusp** · 03-10-2009 01:28 AM

Tell me this dream doesn't sound like some kind of entity was sucking on my big fat energy.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...postcount=1140

**Mini Man56** · 03-10-2009 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Tell me this dream doesn't sound like some kind of entity was sucking on my big fat energy.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...postcount=1140

Hmm, it sounds like it could be...

The mirror might represent a window connecting your dream to the being's plane of existance. But it was only a one-way deal, so you couldn't see anything in the mirror...

**The Cusp** · 03-10-2009 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

Hmm, it sounds like it could be...

The mirror might represent a window connecting your dream to the being's plane of existance. But it was only a one-way deal, so you couldn't see anything in the mirror...

And in my first lucid, that dragon came through a portal as well...

Now that I know what they are, I'll be ready for them. I'm hoping to fight one before the week is up. First try to see it's energy to make sure it's real, then see how it likes some blade attacks.

I was going through accounts of people's first lucid dreams, and there are quite a few that sound like they might have encountered something.

Here's just a couple
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=74074
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73702

**Mini Man56** · 03-11-2009 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I was going through accounts of people's first lucid dreams, and there are quite a few that sound like they might have encountered something.

Here's just a couple
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=74074
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73702

In that case, it's probably just a common coincidence. How would entities know you're lucid? Furthermore, why would they care?

"Hey look, that guy's lucid! He can't do that! Get him!"

Especially that second one... Most likely just a weird dream.

**The Cusp** · 03-11-2009 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

In that case, it's probably just a common coincidence. How would entities know you're lucid? Furthermore, why would they care?

"Hey look, that guy's lucid! He can't do that! Get him!"

I believe the answer to that would be cohesion. One of the topics he covers in that book, and also something that Castaneda talks about in his books.

I think when you are lucid, you are more cohesive. More solid, closer to the real you. As the author explains it, for an attack to be effective, both your opponent and your weapon have to have cohesion. They have to be solid and stable. If the entity you want to fight doesn't materialize into a solid body, your sword won't have any effect. Likewise your sword has to be solid and not changing into other stuff constantly for it to be effective.

Getting lucid might make you more of a target. Makes you tastier. But according to both Astral Combat and Castaneda's book, that is exactly what they look for.

**Mini Man56** · 03-11-2009 02:37 AM

Hmm... Interesting.... That does make sense.

Especially for that first link you posted... The extreme realism would've caused him to have higher awareness, which might lead to more cohesion.

I'll have to be more carefull in my dreams... Or in this case, maybe less. Px

**The Cusp** · 03-11-2009 11:40 AM

All right, these things may be tougher than I thought. I got janked in my dreams last night again, and it didn't go so well. "Janked" is now the official term for when you get attacked in your dreams by something. I got janked, yo!

It was an SP scenario, but in a dream because my blankets were different than RL. My blankets rose up in the air, where I could see the outline of a person through them, then they came down and tried to smother me. As soon as they came down, I had sleep paralisis, and recognized this was an old hag kind of thing. I kept seeing brilliant white light through the blankets.

But anyways, I always try to fight SP, try to overcome it with sheer will power. Worked a little, but I could only move very slowly. I slowly pulled my arms from my side and plunged them into the ghost like body of the thing on me, trying to push it off, but it's ghost body holds my wrists like handcuffs.

Again I force my hands closer to it's throat, and begin to choke it. The thing is insubstantial, but I manage to find purchase with my hands, and my squeezing it's throat does have some effect. I see it's ghost head is much smaller and disproportionate to it's body, and can barely see weird big round eyes and sharp teeth. I keep fighting it, choking it, until I wake up

Thing was trying to steal my energy for sure!

**Songbird** · 03-11-2009 08:23 PM

man, Cusp. You said that you never had a nightmare before? In the books it said that as soon as you try to get into stuff like this, entities will attack you for sure because you have energy that you are gaining, but you dont really know how to defend yourself.
sweet.

**The Cusp** · 03-11-2009 10:21 PM

It's not that I never had nightmares, it's just that they don't usually rattle me like that.

**Songbird** · 03-21-2009 06:02 AM

So last night I totally had a sub-lucid dream that I dont completely remember, but I had some cohesion and I was trying to project myself. The the thing is, I remember bits and pieces of the dream and I don't remember being attacked but I spent the whole day being really sore and feeling just out of it.
So its possible that I was attacked last night. I dont want to say that I was because then I would sound like a dufus with no proof. Crazy.

**BigFan** · 03-21-2009 08:38 AM

What are you guys talking about? I thought entities can only attack you in astral projection, not in a lucid dream since its inside your head

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