WILD method same as OBE method.. is it a LD or OBE?

[Eonnn]

There is a WILD technique where you wait til you enter SP, then try to get up out of your body. Isn't this the same technique used to OBE? and if so, doesn't that mean its not really an OBE but rather a lucid dream? I've used this technique a few times and although it does feel different, more like an OBE I still get the feeling that I'm just lucid dreaming.

[Tornado Joe]

That's pretty much the question of the century for us LD and OBE'ers isn't it? I don't think anyone can really tell you the answer either way- it's simply one of those things everyone must find out on their own. I believe OBE's are LDs, myself - having had an experience at first that I THOUGHT was and OBE, then upon opening the front door to my house I noticed that I was then in an dreamscape, not in my front yard. Was it an OBE that then turned INTO an LD? Well, maybe, but then if an OBE can feel so much like an LD, what's the difference between them? I'm not, however, convinced yet that there are no OBE's (technically, if you are one to believe that when you dream your conscious leaves your body, then ALL dreams are OBEs!!) - but I have yet to feel something that was different than an LD. Poke around the site, I'm sure there's an LD vs. OBE thread somewhere...

[BigFan]

Far as I know, you get into SP using WILD and then you either a) ride out SP while still conscious to have an LD b) Get out of your body and have an OBE by rolling out or using a rope to get out. Whether they are the same or not, I can't tell since I've only had one LD and no OBEs before

[hellohihello]

This is exactly what I thought. I have gone into SP plenty of times. I even visualized myself "rolling" out of my body. All I got was some darkness then a very realistic Lucid dream. Not an Obe but lucid dream. Everything was in place and looked like my house. Even outside looked the same. I could do dream things though. Hopefully some Obe'ers will shed some light Thing is, I didn't get any HI. Normally my room flashes and I can manipulate it.

[BigFan]

[QUOTE=hellohihello;1067415]This is exactly what I thought. I have gone into SP plenty of times. I even visualized myself "rolling" out of my body. All I got was some darkness then a very realistic Lucid dream. Not an Obe but lucid dream. Everything was in place and looked like my house. Even outside looked the same. I could do dream things though. Hopefully some Obe'ers will shed some light [QUOTE] Interesting, very interesting. From what I heard in an OBE, you can't control your DCs or do similar tasks as in an LD

[hellohihello]

Yup that's why I shared The time of day was right, everything looked real but the dream characters were not.

[Hidden]

So the difference between LDs and OBEs (or at least a way to tell) is that in OBEs, dream control doesn't work?

[mrweiner]

So the difference between LDs and OBEs (or at least a way to tell) is that in OBEs, dream control doesn't work? Well, from my understanding, this is accurate. However, it's not just that you are in a lucid dream and cannot control what happens. The reason that you cannot exert any control on the world around you is because you aren't in a dream world at all, but walking around the "waking world" in your astral body. OBE-ers that find this inaccurate, feel free to correct me, as I have never had an OBE. This is ust my understanding of the concept. And @ OP, that really is what the debate between believers and non-believers in OBE's is. Whether or not OBE's are just glorified LD's or not.

[Hidden]

Well, from my understanding, this is accurate. However, it's not just that you are in a lucid dream and cannot control what happens. The reason that you cannot exert any control on the world around you is because you aren't in a dream world at all, but walking around the "waking world" in your astral body. OBE-ers that find this inaccurate, feel free to correct me, as I have never had an OBE. This is ust my understanding of the concept. "I can't control anything. This must be an OBE!" "No, you just suck at dream control." Yeah, that makes sense. And astral projection is something completely different? Like you're in some sort of parallel dimension? Or is it just another word for OBE?

[BigFan]

"I can't control anything. This must be an OBE!" "No, you just suck at dream control." There are people who have have very good dream control and have had both LDs and OBEs and said that they couldn't exert any control, but, I get the joke Yeah, that makes sense. And astral projection is something completely different? Like you're in some sort of parallel dimension? Or is it just another word for OBE? Far as I originally understood it, when you astral project, you go to a higher plane than an OBE. However, recently I've began to believe that astral projection and OBEs are one in the same and the plane you project to is dependent on your vibration, so, if you have a high frequency, higher plane and low frequency means lower planes

[Hidden]

Far as I originally understood it, when you astral project, you go to a higher plane than an OBE. However, recently I've began to believe that astral projection and OBEs are one in the same and the plane you project to is dependent on your vibration, so, if you have a high frequency, higher plane and low frequency means lower planes You read Naiya's tutorial, right? I like her version of it; it seems fairly plausible, and it defines OBEs/AP as something completely separate from dreams. I'd like to try it (even though I'm a skeptic), but I really have no clue what I'm doing.

[BigFan]

You read Naiya's tutorial, right? I like her version of it; it seems fairly plausible, and it defines OBEs/AP as something completely separate from dreams. I'd like to try it (even though I'm a skeptic), but I really have no clue what I'm doing. Yes, I did read her tutorial, but, I was originally thinking about vibrations and how an OBE and astral projection differ if they are both some kind of projection? Unfortunately, until I experience one and would rather have it by accident, I'll never know the difference to an LD

[The Cusp]

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream. I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think. Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing isn't real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it. Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room.

[BigFan]

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream. I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think. Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing is real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it. Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room. hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one

[Hidden]

hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body.

[BigFan]

And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body. Its supposed to be very easy if you are fully into SP. Just imagine a rope and you hanging to it and climbing it

[Nightprowler]

Its supposed to be very easy if you are fully into SP. Just imagine a rope and you hanging to it and climbing it Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time.

[Hidden]

Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time. So you need to meditate or something beforehand to get your mind into the right "vibrational state"? Or just hope you get lucky? There's also the possibility that imagining yourself climbing a rope will just make you have a lucid dream about climbing ropes.

[BigFan]

Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time. Well, I never said it was easy, did I? *checks previous post* What I meant was that the rope or rollout technique are the two most used ones and being fully in SP makes it that much easier to have an OBE, not easy, just easier in comparison to not

[Mawds]

Firstly I'd like to say "Wow" i can't really beleive this stuff exsist with so many others it's amazing to hear other peoples expieriences! I started having SP when i was about 18, the first time it happened i was terrifyed and couldnt work out what was happening, i remember repeatedly trying to switch the side lamp on but it never came on, i then dragged my body out of bed and crawled to my mums room which was extremely hard.. at this point i couldnt work out that I was dreaming and as I reached my mums bed I snapped out and woke up thinking WTF?? After that i would have SP usually every 2 weeks or so but I began to relax and absord what was happening.. on the other hand there was a time a few months back when i fought my way out of bed again and was standing on my landing looking back into my room and could see myself laying in bed! I then walked (no struggle like the 1st time) downstairs feeling very consious of what was happening, I then opened my porch door and jumped thru my front door, when I was outside it was daylight and lucidicy really kicked in, this LD lasted about 2 minutes before i lost conciousness and faded back into a normal dream and woke up shortly after. Personally I think the OBE's are LD's but as i've only had one I need more evidence.