Thread: Sony declares psychic phenomena real

Originally Posted by O'nus

Are you that dismayed that you cannot see the connection? If you claim to have experienced something abnormal, you will have skeptics. If I say, "I had a dream last night" you figure that it is no reason to doubt. But if I say, "I lifted a car last night" you will be doubtful. It is simple human logic and sense to question far out claims. You seem to bring it up like it is second nature to have supernatural experiences when there is no proof to believe in it.

Actually aren't their reports of people lifting cars or extremely heavy objects when someone is in danger.. And aren't their body builders that can lift cars? At least half of it..

If you know you cannot prove it, and that there is no reason to believe in it, then why do you discuss it at all? All you are doing then is parallel to sharing a fantasy. A fantasy does not need proof or disproof - it just exists as a fantasy. Can you see how there is no difference to the rest of us?

Their is no reason for you to believe in it. But that doesn't mean their isn't a need to discuss or share our experiences.. You seem to make it aPROOF or no talking about certain subjects...

And how is it that I would be correct or superior by asking you for evidence and speculating that you are lying or delusional?

Because you have no proof either way, you are assuming that your superior knowledge of the world means you are able to judge peoples mental states without ever meeting them.

Your ego is so defensive in this matter that it gives me more reason to doubt. I do not frankly give a damn if you have abilities or not - honestly, if you did, I'd be excited, but I do not know that for certain.

My ego? I simply am trying to discuss what happened, as I said some of you can't handle a discussion unless their is a statistic or chart attached. And as I said I am not a scientist nor in a lab. You keep asking for something you know we can't give, to satisfy perhaps your own ego.

So please do not become selfish in your discussions on the matter - I do not care to be "right" or "wrong" and I have noticed that it is always the people who have lack of reason that say this.

Sure you do. You care to be right or wrong, because you keep making claims when I keep telling you I don't have evidence.. You got mad when others asked you for evidence in another thread.. (when they knew their was none)

Why is it that when someone has nothing to share besides a fantasy it suddenly becomes a game of "right" and "wrong" rather than speculation and scrutiny? It is because it is a fantasy, and all that matters is that people believe it and reinforce it... not question it.

You can question it, but if you are going to claim that I am lying or delusional come with some proof. You don't hold yourself to the same principles you expect of others.

You don't scrutinize my words as much as you claim to know I'm lying or delusional.

You are of course in your own eyes free of fault. But I guess it could be viewed as your own personal feelings on the matter and nothing else.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Actually aren't their reports of people lifting cars or extremely heavy objects when someone is in danger.. And aren't their body builders that can lift cars? At least half of it..

You're missing the point..

Their is no reason for you to believe in it. But that doesn't mean their isn't a need to discuss or share our experiences.. You seem to make it aPROOF or no talking about certain subjects...

I asked you for a link to the experience.. you cannot give it.. I ask you about the abilities.. you cannot prove it.. what exactly are you hoping to discuss in sharing these things..?

Because you have no proof either way, you are assuming that your superior knowledge of the world means you are able to judge peoples mental states without ever meeting them.

Hey now, you know me better than this, do you really think I am pretentiously sitting here saying, "Deathcell is wrong, I am right, what a retard?" because, if you think that, you totally misunderstand my intention for discussion.

The end result is - there is nothing else to discuss about what you are sharing but speculation! In my speculation I personally think that you are most likely lying or delusional.

I realize you are sensitive to the subject, but seriously, what else have you offered us for discussion but speculation? Even a firm believer could only say, "Wow.. hey that happened to me to".

My ego? I simply am trying to discuss what happened, as I said some of you can't handle a discussion unless their is a statistic or chart attached. And as I said I am not a scientist nor in a lab. You keep asking for something you know we can't give, to satisfy perhaps your own ego.

You better stop projecting the problem onto us because you are offering very little for discussion aside from criticizing you which, I am starting to believe, you enjoy.

Sure you do. You care to be right or wrong, because you keep making claims when I keep telling you I don't have evidence.. You got mad when others asked you for evidence in another thread.. (when they knew their was none)

What are you talking about..? Link please. If you admit you have no evidence, there is no room for discussion. However, I can still speculate on the premises. Can I not? If you cannot allow this, then there cannot be any discussion besides "Deathcell is right".... odd is it not that you say I want to be right or wrong but you are contriving the discussion to simply glorify your "experiences" rather than anything else.

You can question it, but if you are going to claim that I am lying or delusional come with some proof. You don't hold yourself to the same principles you expect of others.

I AM MERELY SPECULATING THAT YOU ARE LYING OR DELUSIONAL.

What do I have to do to get it through your head? These are possible outcomes just as much as what you are saying is true, is it not? To me, anyway. To anyone else but you, anyway. Get it through your head that when we say, "I speculate you are lying or delusional" we are still giving room for the fact that you may be right and telling the truth but we simply are more inclined otherwise.

You don't scrutinize my words as much as you claim to know I'm lying or delusional.

Please be more insightful.

I can see now that you are thriving more on an argument than a discussion. I do not care to be "right" or "wrong" nor ask for evidence but I find it interesting that you contrive the discussion to such and then point the finger to everyone else. Thus, escalating an argument.

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I'm so done with this Onus, you can't accept the fact that you are doing the same thing and than calling it projecting.

And I actually found a link to the post albeit I barely scratched the surface of my vision, it was a eventful trip report though.

Search for the link yourself, its in a recent topic.

Your speculation isn't worth any more than mine, enjoy your life. While proof is great when working with science, sometimes discussions are enjoyable.

Enjoy your self.



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Originally Posted by DeathCell

I'm so done with this Onus, you can't accept the fact that you are doing the same thing and than calling it projecting.

I am going to level with you.. I know that I have no base for any speculations but this is because there is none offered. I am merely speculating - that is all.

Your speculation isn't worth any more than mine, enjoy your life. While proof is great when working with science, sometimes discussions are enjoyable.

Discussion are enjoyable and this is why I was asking you - what exactly do you hope to talk about based on these grounds you have just said..?

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According to Dr. Google, this subject was written about in the NY times. Bear in mind the article was written before the lab shut down and results were made public.


http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/28/bu...ness-tool.html

Furthermore, it seems that the findings were published in the Journal of International Society of Life Information Science, but it's in Japanese so I can't read it.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...r=&btnG=Search

That's all I found.

Originally Posted by O'nus

merely speculating - that is all.

we heard you. many times before. dont worry, your opinion has been noticed.

but i'll always come to hear you speak of this again, Onus. im your tool. call on me whenever you want.

do you see how i sleep, and why now im awake?

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

we heard you. many times before. dont worry, your opinion has been noticed.

but i'll always come to hear you speak of this again, Onus. im your tool. call on me whenever you want.

do you see how i sleep, and why now im awake?

What..?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

What..?

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Yeah.
From what I gathered, he's calling himself a Tool

I didn't read past the second page really, there are a shitload of posts, however:

I am rather interested. I'm not a skeptic, I don't believe in this either, I am open-minded in every sense when it comes to topics of this nature.
Out of interest, I'm not asking for scientific data, or numbers, or little log books full of notes that help me believe I understand the nature of the universe, but can a believer give me a sign post to look at?

Point me in the direction in which you believe such things reside, and i'll explore that little path. Science obviously has it's place when it comes to measuring things with the pre-disposition that the universe makes logical sense. However, I've also experienced spiritual happenings that I can't even articulate properly, but they have mainly been epiphones about how I relate to reality as a singularity rather than a dualism, but I never quite understood where mystic happenings such as ESP fit in to the picture. I never really expect to, though I would like to be humoured at least.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Discussion are enjoyable and this is why I was asking you - what exactly do you hope to talk about based on these grounds you have just said..?

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Just to discuss what happened. Not whether someones current view of reality allows it or not.


And tool?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Just to discuss what happened. Not whether someones current view of reality allows it or not.

And therein lies the problem.. if I do not believe in psychic powers, I cannot discuss the matter with you myself.

I suppose then I should apologize for trying to become involved.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I've seen O'nus take insult after mindless insult on this forum over the years, and he has always done such an incredible job of usually being the ONLY one to stay level-headed, objective, and fair.

Actually O'nus, you've always been an inspiration for me to at least try to do that myself. But I fail more often than not.

Anyway, I think that him blowing up one time in this thread is a miracle. I'd have done it 100 times by now.

i agree, now. i just wish we could play our old games again
im gonna come and defend you one of these days Onus, and we'll be friends again.

"the most important part you forgot to see" -mailman

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I've seen O'nus take insult after mindless insult on this forum over the years, and he has always done such an incredible job of usually being the ONLY one to stay level-headed, objective, and fair.

Actually O'nus, you've always been an inspiration for me to at least try to do that myself. But I fail more often than not.

Anyway, I think that him blowing up one time in this thread is a miracle. I'd have done it 100 times by now.

haha, because O'nus is smart and he knows it.

Hm... the title is misleading, they didn't prove all psychic things to be real, otherwise the "no usage" problem wouldn't be there lol
Anyway, I wonder why if they proved it, they didn't try to make a machine to amplify the effect and solve the "usage" problem, ah the lack of common sense <.<

Originally Posted by Walms

Hm... the title is misleading, they didn't prove all psychic things to be real, otherwise the "no usage" problem wouldn't be there lol
Anyway, I wonder why if they proved it, they didn't try to make a machine to amplify the effect and solve the "usage" problem, ah the lack of common sense <.<

Right, they should have used that research to improve their vast line of interactive brain technologies. Mixing mind and machine just isn't that easy. I'm sure they tried, but the problem was that the robots and cyborgs they built kept killing people.

Or perhaps it would have been more profitable to keep that knowledge to themselves? Remote Viewing into the future for technologies and trends?

Of course it isn't easy, but it is more profitable to try and do the machine than it is to wait, you know some scientist get rich people to pay them for silly things, so why not get money if they already made that much effort? And no, I'm not discrediting them, just saying they are silly for just stopping <.<